Free Your Mind With LKJ – Dr Dunni, How To Use Science & Holistic Health, Mental Health Awareness

Good morning and welcome to this week's edition of Free Your Mind, Let's Talk About It with LKJ. Today we have a wonderful lady, Dr. Duny, that will be joining us. Dr. Duny is a coach, family doctor, investor, and also a speaker, and also part of Global Women's Club. Dr. Duny also is an entrepreneur and a mom who empowers moms to eliminate the feeling of overwhelming and exhaustion trappings and tapping into our superpowers so that we can live a life of calm and abundance that we desire and also deserve. This is made by, um, Dr. Dini doing online courses as well-being strategies and tactics are shared to enhance our well-being on a daily basis. Now, Dr. Dooney will be explaining how you can participate in those courses if you so wish. Um, but let's bring Dr. Dooney in, who is going to take us on this journey herself. Um, there's quite a lot of empowerment here, um, from a doctor who herself has suffered mental health pressure when she lost her own father. So on that, good morning, Dr. Duny, and welcome to Free Your Mind. Let's talk about it with LKJ. As you heard on that introduction, can I ask you to take us back and explain to people who you are, where you're on Planet K, what type of person your character was that even took you on this road to a Suffer Mental Health as a GP, and the advice, and again, the tactics, and this whole wonderful journey— except obviously mental health isn't a wonderful journey, I may add— but it is a wonderful journey when you find help and you unleash your mind, when you free your mind and you understand the clearing of one's mind. Yes, so thank you for having me. So I am a family doctor and I am also a mom, and in my journey through life I had the— I would say perhaps a bit of a hiccup. You know, life always throws curveballs our way every now and again, and this particular one was the death of my father. Before then, of course, there were many curveballs thrown, and I kind of either ducked and dodged them or handled them or threw them away or did something. But this one I could not run away from, and this one, um, really hit me. So when my father passed away, at that point I was working full-time as a doctor at the hospital, and I was also having my beautiful children, both under the age of 5. And I had also gone through a very difficult period. And when I was going through all that, I found myself feeling really exhausted, really tired, and deciding to make so many decisions that changed the trajectory of my life, leaving a space where I felt was toxic, moving to a new location. So all those things were very different and very draining. I did not find that energy to play with my children like I wanted to, but I knew something had to change. I couldn't be in that state where I was constantly tired. I'd lost 3 dress sizes. I was a shadow of myself. I got confused with many things happening, and I could not really make the best decisions certain times. So I would let people who perhaps were not particularly great in their own dealings have access to me because they were, they were pushful. So I thought to myself, I said, well, I had to change this. For my own health, for the health of my children, because I wanted to do this for them. And so one day when I had this moment under the duvet sleeping, it was a Saturday morning, I remember my daughter comes up to me because it had snowed and she was so excited, she wanted to go out to play. And I turned to her and said, my darling, um, let's just cuddle, you know, mommy can't go out just yet. And she was so excited to even come and cuddle with mommy. And she came into bed and so did her little brother. And I was just, you know, holding them in my arms. This was not the first time I was telling them, come and cuddle with mommy. And it really broke my heart to see these beautiful children who wanted to play outside. I also wanted to play outside with them. But I just didn't have the energy. And there I made the decision I needed to stop. And that's where I took myself through the self-development journey. I started to read books and do courses, get coaches, and actually get myself to understand what people who have been through what I was going through had done and what I could do in my own situation uniquely to get myself through that state of overwhelm, through that state of exhaustion, and get myself having energy to do what I wanted to do when I wanted to do it. And going through that journey, I found myself being able to do just that. So fast forward, I built my clinical career, became a family doctor, built my academic career— I'm a teacher— built my businesses, and also had that beautiful relationship with my children, we're more like able to do things together. Whether they are at home or they are away, I can participate, I can encourage them, I can fan their strong points and their talents into flame and just keep them going. And it gives me so much joy. And so it's so important when I see mothers, especially as a family doctor, struggling with being under so much stress and putting their well-being in the back because they want to take care of everybody else. Sometimes we need to, as mothers, recognize that we need to put ourselves first so that we can be well enough to take care of our loved ones. It's more that, like that story of put your oxygen mask first and then put on the oxygen mask of others. Right, yes. So when you say by putting the oxygen mask on yourself, can you go a little bit deeper onto that? Is that possible? Absolutely, absolutely. So when we talk about putting the oxygen mask first, I love that analogy, um, to the flights that we talk— we go on whenever we're traveling in a plane and the advice from the airline, um, attendance. Why? Because we need to put ourselves in a position whereby we are caring for ourselves. We need to make a decision to give ourselves air. Air is one of the basic fundamental things we need to survive. There is a book I read and it just highlighted something very interesting. People would survive for weeks, maybe months without food, and probably days to weeks without water, but just a few moments without air. So we know how important air is. Sometimes it can be you being in a place of not having toxicity around you, you being a place where you are able to feel free from the pain, the anguish, or perhaps the the difficulties or challenges that you're going through. And some people just feel it's time to come up, take some fresh air. And now, apart from the air that we need, we also need the other elements of self-care, such as nutrition and hydration and sleep— very important— rest. Because it's not every time that you have a rest that you have sleep. So there are times we need breaks as mothers. There are times we need to Create time for what we enjoy doing so we're not in that state where we're constantly doing things, but we take a place and a time to be in ourselves, to just be in. Now, when we are in that state of being, we are able to increase our self-awareness, increase our emotional well-being and intelligence, and able to build our mental health as well. And so just tapping into what we are talking about, the practices that help with that— things like mindfulness, things like meditation, walks in nature— those are things that we can incorporate into our day-to-day activities that will help us to be, to put that oxygen mask first, to nourish ourselves, body, mind, soul and spirit. And that is, you know, when we look at how we do need air for us to breathe, when we're using therapies such as a GP, you understand when people have anxieties, etc., when they're coming through. And there's so many techniques to, to work on, and you know, that's really, really in-depth analysis of that. And, you know, we have Keanu Reeves explaining the other day the importance— how do you deal with anxiety? How do you do it? And it was funny because he even uses the same format of the technique as BREATH. And like yourself, as you know, you were saying, um, in the G— as a GP and your own personal stuff, have you found that anxiety pressures are increasing? Yes, um, well, of course, with the pandemic, there was a lot of issues with anxiety. We did not know what we were dealing with when it all started. It was something that was new to everyone, and when we don't know something our first instinct is that of survival, and when your survival brain kicks in, you start to worry because you just want to be alive. And as you are in that state, anxiety creeps in because all the chemicals that get us in that state of anxiety are released to help us to either freeze, flee, or fight. Now, First of all, we can't fight an unseen enemy, so everybody goes, what do we do? Okay, flee. Okay, where do we go to? And so there was the, of course, lockdown. Everybody stay indoors. Let's stay indoors as a way to fly, you know, kind of flee away from that thing we cannot see. Okay, now we'll devise a way to fight it. Um, and the many people just froze in that state. Their response was also that of freezing, and it all comes into that era of fear, fear of the unknown, fear of loss, fear of pain, fear of restriction, fear of death, and that makes us anxious as humans, and that level of anxiety definitely rose during the pandemic. And it's still ongoing at the moment. People were isolated from each other, from family, from their support network that perhaps would have been a great time for— people always looked forward perhaps to a Friday get-together with family or friends, maybe at the pub or in a social gathering, but there was none of that when the pandemic hit. So people were in that state of anxiety and really did not know how to deal with it. Also, there was also the difficulty and the challenges with people getting access to help. I know many people I came across did not want to go into hospital, and it was more like, I don't want to pick up that dreadful disease. And some people actually would say to me, I— doctor, please don't send me into hospital, I don't want to die. You know, even though their own situation was critical at that time, their idea of what was going on was it was way worse than what they were experiencing personally. So yes, there was a very significant increase in the level of anxiety, and it's really painful that we also had the the fueling by belief systems and other media whereby we had more people being more afraid and not being able to talk about it and just being told, oh, so many people have died and another set of people have died and another set of people have died. Definitely people were more anxious. So it was so sad going through that, and my heart goes out to those who who lost family, who lost their loved ones, who lost their income, who lost things during this period. And my advice at the moment to people is when you're going through states of anxiety, know that you're not alone. Speak up, speak out, reach out for help because there is help out there. Thank you for that. But We are now on Freedom Day today. Obviously the show is pre-recorded, this which will be aired in April due to the extent of interviews, etc., that I've done and for the listeners. But it is important, even though we're recording this now on Freedom Day, that people understand that you still don't be so harsh in yourself to say, I don't need to wear a mask, I can do it. Remember why we wore the mask, remember the people that lost their lives. Keep your distance when you're in that supermarket, when you're on that bus, that you are still protecting yourself from other diseases, the common cold, you know, and things like that. We must protect ourselves whilst we are on here. And one of the things that hasn't changed, I know people are saying you don't have to wear masks on transports, etc. But in the GP surgery, they are encouraging that, and so you still must do this in the GP surgery. Is that law, that that person has to wear the mask in the GP practice, or is it a fact that it is down to the independent GP services or the healthcare services or the trust that they can keep that? Well, I'm not involved in policy making, so I won't be able to comment much on that one, but I believe that, like you rightly said, even though you're told, oh yes, from this day onwards you can go on public transportation without masks, we need to remember where we started from. We are doing this because we went through a pandemic and we experienced a virus that caused so much illness and so much loss as we went through the last couple of years. Now apart from of course wearing masks, we also need to wash our hands. I mean, it took a pandemic to actually tell us to just practice some self-hygiene. Wash your hands, keep your personal space, respect other people's personal space. You know, all that took a pandemic to actually bring to light. And I believe that if you come to a health establishment, a hospital, a GP surgery, or a hospice, wherever you go to, you just abide by the rules that they have put there. And it's just as though you'll probably go into, say, another country. If perhaps you go to Rome, you do as Romans do. So if they say, for example, well, there might be a declaration that you don't have to wear masks, but when you come in this space, this is what you do, then you do that. Um, I think it's just common sense really when it comes to, you know, doing as you are being told. And if you do not want to, then you can obviously go to other places that would allow you to do what you want to do. So I do not know what the policy is going to be going forward, but there is a reason why we have got access to the masks that you can wear, the hands that you need to wash, and also the social distance spacing that should actually continue. I'm not talking about in that strict sense, but just remember that you don't— there's a certain area that you need to give between yourself and any other individual. And of course, at the moment, being more kinder to each other as well. Thank you. Just another couple of things I just want to discuss on that, because I'm going to then— have you opened up and, you know, saying regarding the pandemic ways forward. But I want to take the listener back then, Dr. Dunning, back to you, back to the mental health, etc., that people are facing, which you've addressed and shown them where to go for this, because their mental health is now going to heighten, I believe, because of this mixed signal just going forward. Um, the people that haven't suffered with any mental health that may start to be seeing this and panicking. Um, then that's what we don't want, is a panic. That, you know, people— we all pay our taxes, you know. We all— there's only so much money in a pot, and that pot goes bare. You can't keep, um, replenishing it freely. It's got to come from somewhere. So yes, lateral flow testing. Yes, PCRs. We're going to have to pay. But we've got to live with this now as if we were living with a common cold, you know, that we have to look after ourselves. We have to know when to go off sick, what to do and how to make ourselves well. But there is, and I believe, and I hope I'm correct in saying, just before we move off of this subject, I know Boots are charging £2.50 for a lateral flow test for people to go. Before we had the pandemic, if you had a cold, you'd have to go to the doctor, etc. We don't need to self-isolate. We have to do and think the pandemic when you are doing this in your space. You're, you know, don't stand right up somebody in there, start coughing over. It's respect. And respect is what we need in our whole lives. And going back in how we respect each other. And one of the other things is we need to respect our minds as well as we respect our bodies. Because when our mind isn't, you know, we don't care for it. We get up, we bathe, we wash, you know, we put all the creams on, we put our face on, Some of us use it as a mask. I think, which mask shall I place on today to cover and how I look? Now, Dr. Denny, yourself— and I'm very grateful to you allowing me to show, even as a professional person, as a general practitioner, still trying to do a daily job— and how mental health even affected you as a GP. Because people, I'm sure, do believe that you're like robots, you know, that these, you know, these times of surgery coming through, that you don't suffer for anything. But like any professional, you do. And for you, you had the suffering when you lost your father, when it took your children, when you saw them playing outside in the garden and you couldn't come you didn't want to go out, and they come and laid on the bed. That's when you knew you needed to change. Can you take us now back? And for any listener, you know, there could be a trigger here. So we always have to say, be prepared when we're going down and we're taking somebody's mind down into an area that can cause triggers, that just to remember to breathe and relax as we hear Dr. Durney explain you know, this part that went around her, and still having to go to work with the grief. And that's something that I will speak after Dr. Dunne's done that, about how much time should we be allowed off in bereavement. But let's, uh, go and start. Are you ready, uh, Dr. Dunne? Yes, um, so absolutely. So I think Personally, everybody's journey is different. I remember the first time I heard that my father had died. Yes, it was shocking, but then the first thing on my mind was I need to be strong for my family. And that I need to be strong for my family, I was able to do everything and move around. And people perhaps thought to me, thought that I responded with so much strength. But even in that, it was almost like I was this swan on a pond that was just floating and gliding and looking very graceful, but underneath I was kicking my legs like mad, you know. It was just one of those scenarios. And I was trying to hold things together and say, okay, everything's going to be fine, everything's going to be fine. But things were not fine because every day I remembered my dad's not here. I can't even speak to him. And perhaps maybe certain triggers like maybe the music he loved to hear or the games he loved to play And I remember one trigger for me at that time was when they released the episode of, or the Star Wars. Now my father was such a sci-fi geek and he introduced us to it. So I love Star Wars. I really couldn't get myself to say, oh, I'm going to watch that in the cinema. So my siblings and I, we said, you know what we're going to do? We're going to have a reunion very soon and all of us will go watch Star Wars. In the cinema to honor our dad. And that is something that people do when they are faced with certain triggers and perhaps put in a position whereby they, they are thinking about their loved ones. Now, I also want to say that when it comes to grief, grief comes— it doesn't have a prescribed timeline to it. It doesn't say, oh, you know what, I'm just going to afflict you for one week, or I'm 6 months or 1 year, and after 1 year you'll be fine. It is a process. And while of course they have stages of grief, sometimes you don't experience the stages the way it's outlined. You experience them in myriad of forms. Sometimes you have all stages coming onto you at once, and you don't realize that at that point you just need to Be. You need to ask for help. You need to connect with people who will support you through that process. So of course, life needs to go on. I needed to get to work. I needed to put a roof over my head and the head of my children. I needed to put food on the table. I needed to pay the bills. But I found myself in a position where I couldn't switch off from that grief. Mentally, emotionally, I felt submerged in the grief, and it came from a place of someone who was— who seemed to be handling it well. I mean, the day my father was buried, I went into work, but afterwards I just thought, wow, how am I going to do this? And I needed to find those answers, and that's where I come from in the sense that your journey is different from the journey of the person next to you, and your journey in this period of grief, perhaps the loss of someone who is loved, beloved to you, and maybe in the next few months or years when you lose something else, is different even though it's the same individual that is affected. And when it comes to the period that people are allowed to grieve, I personally don't think you can give a particular period. However, we also need to be aware that life goes on. And while of course many times you would look at yourself and perhaps think, okay, maybe I would need 5 weeks or 6 weeks or perhaps a little bit longer. At the end of that period, what are you going to— I mean, what would you do if the grief is still there? What would you do if the feelings, the mental, the emotional feelings are still there or probably even worse? Those are things to think about. Definitely things to think about. As you were saying, um, you know, with grief, is there any timeline on that? But I do believe, Dr. Dineen, that employers were— as they do with maternity leave, as they do with paternity, that— but more on the paternity basis If you have a death in your immediate family, you should automatically be given a 2-week period, because during that 2-week period from when death occurs to the burial, you have so much to sort out. You have people coming in and out. Your mental health is so attacked because of simple trauma. You're being put into trauma. You have all this shock and the brain's not used to your heart, your emotion, your yearning, and all these things that you have to do. It's not natural to have to walk into a funeral parlor and choose a coffin or for to put the loved one that you know, whether it's being a child or to how old. There are experiences that cause trauma. There's a huge emphasis at the moment that we are seeing on the TV about prepaid funeral plans. And I do know that, um, yesterday when I was looking through the media, um, myself, that some companies are not regulated, um, two have been rejected. But the main place, you know, so that you don't lose your money, it's invested. And I do believe, as I've done and for my way, that it's been easier after suffering and losing my two brothers, my own child, and my mother, that for the sake of my son, he will not have to go through that. He will still suffer trauma and simple trauma because when you love somebody, it's going to hurt. It's going to knock our world apart when we don't see them anymore. And trying to deal with mental health regarding this issue is what can make that easier. As you said, our body reacts very differently. And as you said, you went back to work as a general practitioner on the day of your dad's funeral. You went to work. So anybody on the outside would be looking, thinking you could have looked heartless. Did she care? Did she not? But people make presumptions and assumptions on how we react around this area. But when we look back ourselves, only we are the judge of our own mind and our soul and how we react and how we look into that mirror. But sitting back now, when you reflect back there, how did I do that? I remember when it was my mother's funeral, I stood up there like a robot. It was so rehearsed. I know I do guest speaking, I know you're a great speaker, so we're used to going on to platforms and we have this mental block, like armor bridge that comes down, it's a bit like Who Wants to Be a Millionaire when the music focuses straight onto you, you're in the limelight, you block everything out, this is what you do, your mind's going to do this. And then certainly when you look back, you think, wow, you know what's happened. So like with my looking at this whole grief side that we're going to be doing segments on, is on death, how we prepare ourselves, bereavement, bereavement counseling, medication, speaking to professionals like yourself, how we can help and empower that mind. For me, I would personally recommend somebody to do— you're sitting there— is to do a prepaid, um, funeral plan. I must say to the listeners, I'm not being paid to say this. It is my own personal, unbiased, non-judgmental reasoning because I believe in my own mind, in doing this journey and talking about it, that I love my son so much and my grandchildren and my daughter-in-law and my husband, you know, either way, if it's one or the other, that we try to use that time on reflection. So when something is that you've not got 2 weeks running around, you know, tearing yourself apart looking at these things, because first and foremost, you pick up a phone and it's all dealt with for you. Basically, it's done over the phone now, and that you can go, and if you want to choose your own, everything's there presented. But you also know in your mind that that loved one has done this. They've created this thing for their loved one. This is how it is. And with 92% increase in, uh, inflation on funerals in an unregulated form also brings extra mental health towards people coming into that. But there's also the other one where you go that far where you'll see on the TV and it's being run all the time where basically pay this amount, don't have a funeral, you know, you're cremated and you come back. Well, I believe that's too far. That's my own personal opinion because You're not allowing anybody— I think people be trapped in that. That's my personal opinion on that. Um, but with medication, I have my father at the moment, Dr. Denny, who is acting in the absolute strangest, um, forms of mental health at the moment, uh, regarding this. Unfortunately for my father He buried both my sons and he buried my mother. He remarried last year after meeting a lady on a cruise ship, but he also knew her many, many years ago before he knew my mother. And they got married in July last year and she died in August of bowel cancer, the same as my mother. My father was found in the cemetery last week when the neighbor contacted me whilst I was out reporting to say, your father's in the cemetery. Um, when we had the storm coming, so this is only last Thursday when, um, Storm Franklin was on its way, huge red alert all over Wales. And you know, I'm in London, uh, and my brother is up in, um, Nottingham. To get there So, and because it's a small village and people know who my father is, and she walked into the graveyard, she said, 'What are you doing? Are you okay?' 'It's the rain, the storm's coming.' He said, 'But my wife is in the grave.' He said, 'She's wet and she's cold. I need to know she's going to be safe with the storm.' At that point, I believed when I got the phone call from her with my father in that thing. His mental health of grief has— he's gone into, from simple trauma over into chronic because the brain has not dealt with this. And he's got— and it's, you know, gone from acute to chronic. And so she's got— she said— and she had to stand in there. And for, as I did say, there's a— there are things that can trigger off, so please use your breathing techniques and any form that helps you to not raise your anxiety. But she said, your wife is no longer here. Her essence and her presence and the photographs, the mirror— so she said, what is in the ground is the remains of just the physical side, you know, our skeletons. Our human body that has been put dust to dust, ashes to ashes. But he believes that she's a real person that now is in a grave, which then led on, Dr. Dunning, to him having after that probably 8, 9, 10 absolutely massive nosebleeds when he got home. Oh, hence the phone calls, uh, my brother rushing to Wales he, because he refused to go to any hospital or see any GP in, um, in Wales. So he went there and he, um, they said because of the thinning— I mean, it was absolute chaos, you know, for us, thinking, has he got a brain tumor? What's happening? You know, he's almost 80, love his heart. He's, he's in there, he's distressed emotionally, and that whole imbalance like you're saying your love for your father, you know, which on it for us, you know, he's become almost reverting back to child where we as the children are taking that care and he's now— we've got him out of that situation trying to get him help. And obviously he's had the nose re-stopped, he had 3 cauterisations, he's had the balloon up, but now he can't hear, so he's still going on. But he wants to get— and he got up and wanted to drive back to Wales to go to the grave, asking his brother, his agent, drive me down to the grave, I've got to just check on him. So that is a chronic thing. So for any listener that's in that situation, that's when, you know, we have— you have to take that even further. That's going on beyond with the grief on that. But my next question from that, which was leading to You do online courses, or also do you offer stuff in what you've built now through your own personal— could you explain this? Would that help somebody in those sectors? What do you do on these online courses, Dr. Dini? Okay, and first of all, I'd like to just, you know, send my warm wishes to you, to your dad, and to your entire family, because going through that process must have been quite challenging, and I believe that time does help. Sometimes we need to ask for help as well, because from what you described, I can't help myself but to talk about complicated grief, which is a little bit out of the, the regular grief whereby we go through and have those experiences mentally, emotionally, and physically. And the nosebleed, for example, can be a manifestation of the level of emotional and mental states following that period of increased pressure mentally and emotionally. So I'm just sending lots of warm wishes your way and to your dad. I'm hoping that everything just gets sorted out. He's back at the hospital. Well, he was there again all day yesterday whilst I was coming back from the Isle of Wight reporting, and he's back on Monday. And at the same time, my brother is suffering himself, you know, with emotional pressure, which is what we're saying. So to get him— and there are even myself as a radio presenter on these shows and seeing different platforms to go to and who to go to, uh, with Rona McLaughlin. One of my things is to get her to speak to my father and using even from the radio myself, professional people like. So that's why I'm asking courses of listeners, the people that come on this show, and all these wonderful listeners that are coming to look for help. When you click on to, uh, womensradiostation.com, we're searching for an answer. You've made that step. If you're listening to any of the shows, they're on it. You're listening because You want something, you need to reach out, you've taken that step. So as you have adopted, you did this step, and we are now going to focus on to this next section, which is all your classes, this online thing. Can we touch on that and express on that so the listener now can see where they would need to go if this is part for them? Can it help them? And then we'll talk about you as you want. After that, your wonderful, um, your Global Women, you know, and your speech. And I do apologize, I wasn't meant to be on the panel with you, but obviously with the weather, you know, I think every news reporter, etc., were called out, so I couldn't make it with you. But I will be joining you on the next panel, um, Cinderella said. So, but let's go now to your entrepreneurship. Okay, um, so thank you so much for that. So basically, um, the courses, the events, and the coaching that is offered is for mothers, and the aim is to empower mothers to break free from the feeling of overwhelm and exhaustion. There are so many things that can cause us to feel overwhelmed. One, it could be, um, a physical cause, and that can stem from hormone imbalance caused by stressful situations, ill health caused by poor nutrition or hydration, poor sleep. Those are physical causes of overwhelm, and they can also be manifestations as well. We talk about the emotional causes, which include the loss that people go through, and this— the courses are not aimed at telling you when grief needs to end. It's helping you on a daily basis to incorporate practices that enhance your well-being. Now there is a saying, I think it's by Tony Robbins, it says, "Where your focus goes, energy flows." We need to recognize that when we keep focusing on, "I'm sad, I'm sad, I'm sad," you will be sad. Because your energy is going to flow to ensure that you are sad. If you, however, focus your energy not on the illness but on the hope that you are going to be better, that you are going to feel calm, that you are going to have more energy, things will appear people will come into your life that will facilitate that. There is something in the human brain called the reticular activating system, and many of us have seen the manifestation of that system at work. For example, have you ever noticed perhaps you just bought a car or you just bought a dress and suddenly you see a lot of people as you go along the streets driving that same car or having that same dress. That is the effect of that activating system at work. Why? It's not as though people just suddenly bought the car because they saw you buy it. Your recognition of that car or that dress became more apparent, and so you recognize that in the midst of all the stimuli that we are exposed to. And so going through these courses helps you with that mind shift, that helps you with little habits as mothers that would get you from a place where you're feeling overwhelmed because you're focusing on that thing that is keeping you stuck, to a place where you feel empowered with those positivity in terms of your thoughts, your words, your actions. And by so doing, you shift yourself from a low energy vibration, which is that of sadness and feeling distressed, grief and all, to a place where you're feeling hopeful. You're feeling love, love from the people you're interacting with, love from family and friends, and a connectivity that keeps you growing. And so it's so important when we talk about, um, breaking free from overwhelm and exhaustion that we remember that we are not alone. And that's why we also have a community where we support each other to grow through these challenges, because these challenges are meant to help us develop new skills So rather than focusing, looking down and saying, why me? The next question you should be asking yourself is, what can I learn from this? What is this showing me? And what can I do now? So that's the aim of the courses, the events, and the coaching that is being offered. And this is something you can have access to. You can go on the website www.drdunnie.com and you will have the access to those events and courses. And coaching that is made available. So just for the listeners to understand, that's www.drdunni.co.uk. Was that correct? No, .com. .com, that's it. Just the Dunni so people can see that. And yes, as you can see You know, when you are honing in on that with the car and the new dress and the importance of what we tend to focus on, I think, you know, and going on that, that these courses are there for mothers that will help and, you know, give you these extra, as you call them, superpowers, because you are controlling your mind and you're living the life that you want rather than the expectation others as well? Do you believe that becomes part of what you're saying? Yes, we have the greatest ability to do, to be, and to have what we desire. It all starts with your mind. If you believe, like Henry Ford said, if you believe you can or believe you can't, you're right. So what do you want to believe? You want to believe you can't?— it will come out as though you can't. We have come to a state, and I know of course post-pandemic, lots of challenges, and of course some people are still experiencing the challenges. But if you get to a place where you have this learned helplessness, this situation of waiting for someone to come and save you, someone to do everything for you, you need to recognize that you are the one who has got the power to move yourself from where you are to where you want to be. And it's my desire to let people know you are the one who should be more interested about your health and your well-being. Don't depend on someone outside yourself. You can ask for help, you can reach for help, but the responsibility is yours. When science and facts and figures have shown that By washing your hands, you limit infection. You are the one that will need to wash your hands. You are the one that will need to put those measures in place to protect your well-being. But if you're waiting for someone else to tell you what to do, you've given them that power. And whatever it is that you face, it's almost like you need to dance to it. So recognizing that you have got the power, you have got the ability And taking that action is so important. Let's not move— let's not stay in a place of helplessness. It's almost as though it has been learned. We need to unlearn that helplessness and know that we can help ourselves and we can move forward together. Take ownership of your decisions. Take ownership of your life. Take ownership of what you are doing. And if you hit a brick wall and maybe there are some consequences, don't blame someone else. Take responsibility. That's the first step that would make you closer to that, um, where you're meant to be and where you need to get to. But that is the hardest part, isn't it? To— if you're that person at home or the mother that's feeling the overwhelming thinking, how can I do this? How can I go on? They feel worthless. They do that. How— until something snaps in their brains. That's it, I can't do this anymore. Like yourself, when your children wanted to go out to play, you couldn't do it. When there was stuff when I physically just couldn't get out of bed after losing my child, thinking that was it. Something has to go to say, 'I can't do this,' and that's where we stand and put that one step forward. So with your courses that we're saying, so, so for me, the first thing I did was just go see the doctor. So they'll come to you, and how wonderful. As I said, there are some pluses, you know, in the journey of getting well from mental health. I might say one of those pluses would be if he was my doctor, to come in because of your passion, your strength, and to help and not just diagnose a load of pills because you understand it, because you have the empathy, you have that. And from that side of mental, there is a brighter outcome. And we mustn't leave mental health in a negative— positive light. We have to look that, you know, it's a journey and a lovely journey that you can come through. Because when you start to do that and you feel that love that you've pushed out of your own body thinking you wasn't worth it, all of a sudden you've got light. You're not living in the shade. You are feeling air. You've got oxygen. You've got everything breathing through. And as your mind becomes more and more empowered and doing an understanding and like doing your courses to say, wow, look at many of them, I think What's happened, Mum? You're a different person. You're happy. Because they don't understand what you're going through. It's about that you have taken responsibility. So in the listener that is listening to this, they go, God, you know, yeah, I'm so tired. I'm running around, you know, they've got the children to get up, they've gone to school, they've come back off the school run, they're in, and they feel absolutely absolutely exhausted because they haven't slept correctly. And you think, 'Oh, I'm waking up tired.' There will be a reason. As you said, take responsibility. Stop. Go into that bathroom and look into that mirror. And whether the tears fall or they run down, let— just open it up and hold on to the sink and just let go and let it out. There is no shame, but to express all that pain inside them, to get it out, and just to free it out. And once you've had that massive cry, you've released it out, you've screamed in the bathroom, and if you wipe the tip with that cold water on your face, then take the responsibility that Dr. Denis has said. Pick up that phone, go and see your doctor and say, this is how I felt, so that you start the line of support. Secondly, as Dr. Denis said, with these courses, whilst you're waiting to go to the doctor, click on to Dr. Denis, um, website, have a look at that and engage. Because as soon as you engage, you are obtaining control, you are obtaining the power in your mind to become free, to take responsibility, say, I am a person. You do count. You are worthless. There are things that through maybe have been complicated grief, may have been through simple trauma that has knocked you back. And in the depths that you would get lost, but there is no shame. Stand tall, face it. And you know, for your patients, Dr. Dini, even when yourself going through, um, with a, um form of depression. Can I just ask you, we've got literally 4 minutes, 5 minutes left of the show, and we will be bringing you back on if that's possible, you know, because there'll be certain areas that listeners will want to address, and we can really go on. And I would really like to do a second segment with you where we can show through this platform that you have and break them down so that we can do short bits in an hour to show people why they should connect with that and to go on. But, um, so rather than the GP side, uh, for you is what you have created, which is very empowering. And because you're a general practitioner, you've had to study and understand the highs and lows, the triggers, etc., through that. Not somebody that's just gone on and said, I'm going to do this course. Come on, um, are we on the same platform with that? Yeah, so, um, yes, the thing about is that self-development is very, very important. And yes, while I'm a family doctor, I also recognize that there are certain things that unfortunately we, we learn from nature. Nature has so much to teach us about our health and our well-being, which many people don't pay attention to. Have you ever watched a plant? Have you ever seen how things grow? Have you ever seen the way water flows? And that's one reason why I absolutely love some of the Eastern practices, which of course we have started adopting, like mindfulness, meditation, All these are things that are very helpful, and that's the reason why in my courses I don't bring just the— I bring the knowledge of the science of medicine, but more about holistic practices in terms of health, well-being, and alignment with natural phenomenon, rather than here, this condition, here is a diagnosis, here is a drug. Yes, because I do feel sometimes it's too easy to say, you, uh, you're suffering with depression, um, we're going to start you on this course of tablets, that should help you feeling better, go. Rather than what you said, look at this, put on that music, light a candle that's got lemongrass, the smell of ginger, draw the bath, Get in the bath and put a cool pad over your eyes. Take your mind back with meditation music while you're relaxing and easing yourself through to comfort. Then, and speaking, and then looking at wellbeing motivational classes and like holistic measures that you're doing rather than keep putting a pill into your thing to help, because that's just masking still the depression. Are still masking everything. You're not dealing with the confrontation that you, you need to stand up and take responsibility for yourself and say this is your life, your journey, and you are having it just being destroyed. It's been bombed. It's— you feel broken, but only you can learn to stand again if you broke your foot. Sitting there and let the foot just go, never walk again. You stand up and you do the exercise, you do it. But the same with your brain, you have to do these exercises for your brain to keep you empowered. And we all have, I say, dark days, bright days, and no matter what profession. But it's wonderful to have Dr. Denis on our show that shows, you know, both the science and are both the holistic measures to empower and what to do. And, um, I wanted to mention as well, yeah, yes, medications have got their place. So for those who are out there perhaps listening and saying, oh my goodness, let me throw my pills away and start holistic methods, no, your own journey is different from the person next to you. The fact that you have medication, consult with your physician, with your care provider about the measures that are for you. Do not discontinue medication for any reason and do not refuse medication if you need it. Medication is there to help, but remember, as you are taking that medication, you need to also put in some measures daily, consistently to enhance your well-being. So don't just depend on the medications alone. You would know that certain places you shouldn't go because there are people that probably going to send toxicity your way. Don't go there and take the medications and think you're going to be fine. Take responsibility, take those steps, but take your medication, seek professional help because that will help the holistic view. Of your well-being. I hope that helps. Yes, completely, because, um, like you were saying with the plant, we're just about to close, and this time's gone so quickly. We'll bring Dr. Dimi back, but from my view, just quickly in these seconds, as we can, it's like if you've got the plant, it needs food, so you will give it its medicine to put in there, but it also needs the life of the oxygen and the sunshine and the wind. Underwater. Is that— that's how I can put it. We will leave it on that note for Dr. Dunning to bring us back on that course. Thank you very much, Dr. Dunning, for joining me on Free Your Mind. Let's Talk About It with LKJ. And I'm sure the listeners can't wait to welcome this wonderful doctor back, and also global woman. Thank you very much. Goodbye. Thank you.