All Things Autism - Julie Daly Wallman.mp3 ========================================= Speaker 14 00:02 - 00:14 Hello this is Anna Kennedy at Women's Radio Station talking all things autism voice of women worldwide. Today my guest is the lovely Julie Wallman who's a film producer. Good morning Julie and how are you? Speaker 13 00:14 - 00:16 Good morning Anna, I'm good thank you. Speaker 14 00:16 - 00:19 And you've come all the way from Jersey to see me today? Speaker 13 00:19 - 00:26 I have, I book in advance so it means that the the flybee prices are a lot cheaper. Speaker 14 00:26 - 00:45 That's the way to do it. OK, so today we're going to be talking a little bit about your early life history, when you were diagnosed, a little bit about your background, your favourite script as well, which is going to be exciting. I'm waiting to hear that. And then obviously the difficulties you've been having with the British film industry for the funding process. Speaker 14 00:45 - 00:50 OK, so talk to me a little bit about your early life history. I believe you're a twin. Speaker 13 00:50 - 00:59 Yes, I am actually a twin. I was born in Jersey Channel Islands. Very, very working class upbringing. Okay. Speaker 13 00:59 - 01:07 Life was tough. But I have a lovely twin sister. So I spent some time in Jersey and also moved over to Ireland at the age of 12. Speaker 14 01:08 - 01:20 Okay, so you're into the Film industry, I hear you've been, you know, you've got a lot of scripts that you've been writing and obviously you've been producing films. So can you talk to me a little bit about that? Speaker 13 01:21 - 01:40 Yeah, I was in my early 20s working for Roger Corman, who's a legendary film producer. And I had three months off, so I moved over to Jersey to see my dad. And within three months, I was able to bring over an Irish crew over to Jersey Channel Islands. And that's where we took on a lot of Jersey trainees. Speaker 13 01:41 - 02:08 And that's where we created the first Jersey Island co-production, which won a Tribeca in New York. I was very much involved with the script, with the writer, lock it with the writer, then bring in the director, and then lock the script to work for the budget and schedule. It's something I learned with Roger Corman. And it was a good structure and a good discipline to have, which is something that I feel is required now in the film industry here in the UK. Speaker 14 02:08 - 02:15 Okay, so I believe you started off as a runner. So tell me a little bit about that, because you've got a bit of exciting news to share about being a runner. Speaker 13 02:15 - 02:48 Yeah I started out as a runner and I think Marlon Brando took a little shine to me and realised I was working very hard on set. He asked me if I was getting paid and I obviously reluctantly told him that no I wasn't and that I didn't agree with it and actually funny enough nor did he. So, one actually happened a couple of days later. I was given a little envelope with some money in it and I realized that that particular actor, through his kindness, said that it's not good enough, that Julie should be paid. Speaker 13 02:49 - 02:55 It's a story I always remember and it's one I've taken with me for the last 20 odd years of my life. Speaker 14 02:56 - 03:02 Well done Marlon Brando, standing in your cause really. So, how was it working with him? What was he like? Speaker 13 03:03 - 03:17 I liked him a lot. It was a film shot in Ireland, in Ballycoffin, and it was a very, very big budget. I liked him. I know that people said that he was a little difficult, but he had the little spirit. Speaker 13 03:17 - 03:37 He had that little spirit and he had a great, great talent. And I was just lucky to spend time with him and really felt quite, you know, I just felt like I was in good hands. So it was a great, great memory. And it was lovely for someone as important as Marlon to have taken time out to care about somebody as small as me. Speaker 13 03:37 - 03:48 And it's something that I've taken with me all my life is that all of us are special. No one's more important than the other person and that we should all look out for each other because ultimately we're all brothers and sisters. Speaker 14 03:48 - 03:57 That's a really special memory. So when were you diagnosed with an autism spectrum condition, if you don't mind sharing? Speaker 13 03:58 - 04:15 Officially only a few months ago but about almost a year ago the doctor that was seeing me rang me and out of the blue said I know what's wrong with you and basically said to me on the phone that I had high-functioning autism. Speaker 14 04:15 - 04:22 Hang on a minute he said that to you on the phone? Yeah that's that's how he broke the news to me on the phone. And how did you feel about that? Speaker 13 04:22 - 04:32 It was a relief, but I didn't feel it was the right way to tell someone. I thought it was not the right way. And he disappeared. Speaker 14 04:32 - 04:41 I was just going to say, did he follow it up with a meeting or sit down with you and explain exactly what autism was? No. Did anyone sit down with you? No. Speaker 14 04:41 - 04:45 So they just basically gave you the diagnosis and left you to get on with it? Speaker 13 04:45 - 05:00 That's quite right. And then I was put on another waiting list. uh... and it was it was then that i realized i was in the right group it was a group that i was seeing every week for an hour uh... Speaker 13 05:01 - 05:27 people that that have the same thoughts and and reasons behind societies i had like-minded people and that was really interesting to me because all of a sudden i felt like i wasn't on my own anymore because for a long long time i have felt very much on my own in terms of the way i see things and the way i I come across. So how was it at school for you then? School was very difficult actually. Speaker 13 05:27 - 05:45 I never never passed any exams. I was very good at art. I was very good at telling stories funny enough. But I wasn't good at focusing and I know that an hour every day I'd be allowed to sleep and I suppose now it all sort of adds up as to what was actually wrong. Speaker 13 05:46 - 05:56 But Yeah, I very much failed every exam at school. You name it, I failed it. Because I just didn't get it. I didn't get school. Speaker 13 05:56 - 05:57 I didn't understand. Speaker 14 05:58 - 06:01 Julie, I believe you think your dad might be on the autism spectrum. Speaker 13 06:02 - 06:19 It's something that I now realize that he actually is. There's things that he does. If we're having a takeaway, not put any metal on the table, it's got to have a plate or there'll be a little meltdown. You know, things like collecting lots of plastic bags. Speaker 13 06:19 - 06:42 can't leave a shop without collecting, you know, lots of something. And just that he hems in on little details, but very, very good with small bits of detail, but there could be a whole problem going on in the big, wild world, but he won't notice that. So yeah, I definitely think that there's quirky traits there that I now realize is actually part of the autism. Speaker 14 06:42 - 06:51 Yeah. OK, so let's go back to script writing and film producing. Could you tell me a few of your favourite scripts that you have written and why you like them so much? Speaker 13 06:52 - 07:07 Well, it's funny. I love all the scripts I create because I love the stories that I do. And there's one in particular, Genuine Fakes, which I co-wrote. It's very close to me as it celebrates everything about great dads. Speaker 13 07:07 - 07:35 who may be in a situation where wife or girlfriend leaves them and they're left with the children. It's not a rare situation and I think that's why I fell in love with the story of John Mayatt. Also the script has his blessing and it also resonates with me and that it depicts two men going into prison, both come out One changes his life for the best, which is John Myers, and the other doesn't. He goes back in again. Speaker 13 07:36 - 07:57 And I think getting back to your point about great stories, Genuine Fakes is definitely a very close one to me, because there's so many situations in life that we can all all be part of and understand and I think I want to celebrate great dads out there that aren't aren't really being noticed as great dads so I celebrate them in this story. Speaker 14 07:57 - 08:06 So this is the film at the minute that you're trying to make and you're going through so many obstacles and hurdles at the moment so where are you at the moment with this? Speaker 13 08:08 - 08:19 We have quite a proportion of the budget, you know, organised. The part that really, I think, has been very disappointing for me, I'm afraid to say, is the BFI, in particular. Speaker 14 08:19 - 08:22 So the people, I was going to say, that don't know what the BFI is, what does that stand for? Speaker 13 08:23 - 08:24 British Film Institute. Speaker 14 08:24 - 08:25 Okay. Speaker 13 08:25 - 09:03 They're a really important body actually, they're a public body, but they're awfully important because when you have new up-and-coming talent, you do need someone like the British Film Institute because they have the network to really push a project and I just think that independent producers such as myself, we should get one chance. Because I think after we've had support from the British Film Institute, we should be able to fly then and allow someone else a chance. I really believe that the British Film Institute can do a lot more in supporting more filmmakers and not keep picking the same people time and time again. Speaker 13 09:03 - 09:19 I've got no problem with it. But I just think they need to look at the bigger picture. And I just want to stress this because I really believe when people like James Brolin, Barbara Streisand read the script. They love it. Speaker 13 09:19 - 09:37 So just because, well, the BFI have said that they have said yes to the script, but now they're saying that I can't be a writer and a producer. Well, then why? Because they say it's two jobs. Well, then I'd say that the writer and producer the writer and director's two jobs, so why is that okay? Speaker 14 09:37 - 09:43 So have you researched films where there are films where there is a writer and a producer who are the same person? Speaker 13 09:44 - 09:49 It's rare, unfortunately, but I did it with The Crooked Mile and it won a Tribeca. Speaker 14 09:49 - 09:51 Okay, so The Crooked Mile is about? Speaker 13 09:51 - 10:23 It's the film that I made in Jersey, which is the Jersey Island co-production, but it worked and, you know, I'm not clouded at all because I spent all the time with the writer helping him with the script, locking it down, you know, finalizing the script with the writer so that he was happy, then bringing in the director and finalizing the script so that it's actually ready to shoot. Now, I would celebrate that if I were a filmmaker. It just seems like the BFI are continuously putting up barriers that don't really need to be put up. Speaker 13 10:24 - 10:47 You know, I'm a long time in the film business so I just want to have the opportunity and I know if the British Film Institute came on board and actually stopped this silly criteria it would help other filmmakers and I really want to set out a platform out there for other filmmakers to make sure that the British Film Institute is actually representing the majority of us. Speaker 14 10:47 - 10:59 OK, so we're going to be talking a little bit later on about the process and how you feel that we can change the process. And we're not just talking about the British Film Institute. We're talking about Creative England and we're talking about other bodies. Speaker 1 11:00 - 11:00 OK. Speaker 13 11:00 - 11:25 Yes, that's right. Creative England is another one. Also the BBC. There's just so many ways in which I believe the way that you apply for your application needs to be done in a more creative way for people such as myself with autism and many other people that don't actually understand the online form. Speaker 13 11:25 - 11:31 struggle with the wording and that we have the opportunity to have a face-to-face because we see pictures. Speaker 14 11:31 - 11:42 OK, so thank you for that, Julie. We're going to talk a little bit more in depth in the second part. So we're at the Voice of Women Worldwide, Women's Radio Station. It's Anna Kennedy. 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Speaker 6 14:38 - 14:56 Women's Radio Station is a not-for-profit community interest company. Supporting women is our passion. We're currently welcoming donations to help towards our running costs to keep this important initiative alive. To donate, simply head to our website. Speaker 6 14:56 - 14:57 Every little will help. Speaker 14 15:01 - 15:22 Hello, this is Anna Kennedy at Women's Radio Station talking all things autism, voice of women worldwide. My guest today is Julie Wallman. And just before I go to my guest, I'm just going to give you a little bit of update of what I'm doing in the charity at the moment. So we're ready for Autism's Got Talent, the road show, and we're off to Liverpool and we've only got Three and a half weeks to go. Speaker 14 15:22 - 15:37 We've got 20 performers from all over the country. We're so excited. And we've got lots of other projects in the pipeline. So if you'd like to check out the charity website again, it's www.annakennedyonline.com. Speaker 14 15:37 - 15:59 We're also working towards our AKO Expo, which is at Brunel University, and that's going to be in March. So that's the AKO Expo at Brunel University in March, where we have speakers, we have free clinics. So if you want some advice, networking, there's just so many resources there. It's a one-stop shop for getting advice on autism and it's in March. Speaker 14 15:59 - 16:14 So if you check out the website, it's £10 for the day and everything else is free after that. So Julie, tell me how your autism helps you with your script writing and producing a film. How do you think you look at it differently? Speaker 13 16:15 - 17:08 I didn't know the answer to that until I met a lady who's got years and years and years of experience in the film industry and I sat with her one day and I explained to her what I was doing with the script, that the script originally was 5 million and that I needed to get it down to 2.5 and how was I going to do it. And I sat down and I started working out that actually, if you cut down on your locations, and you cut down on characters, and you contain it, and you can create the script to work for the schedule, to work for the budget, and you make sure that the film is timed at 100 minutes, which is 90 minutes you need, and 10 minute buffer, It means that the money that you've saved, which is approximately 200,000, can mean that you've made savings, but you've also then got a little bit of money to pay everybody, which includes the Speaker 13 17:08 - 17:30 trainees. It was this that I showed to this lady in the film industry and she looked at me and said, why has no one thought of this before? And then I realized what I was actually capable of doing. I showed a couple of other people in the film industry and they're all looking at me thinking, It's simple but it makes a lot of sense. Speaker 14 17:31 - 17:38 I remember you showing it to me and it was so detailed right down to the last minute and I just thought this lady definitely knows what she's doing. Speaker 13 17:38 - 18:09 Absolute pure love and focus on that one area and that's when I realised that was where my strength was and it's a good strength and it's a good discipline and I think that It came about because I was going through a situation where scripts were turning up, new scripts the night before. And for me, I don't know how we got to this position with films, with scripts turning up that need, that are brand new scripts and then the crew then are left. So that it was a kind of a need. Speaker 13 18:09 - 18:14 That's why I did it. That's where it all started. How do I do it? How can I help crew? Speaker 13 18:14 - 18:29 And how can you make sure that the writer's vision is not changed dramatically, i.e. that most of it ends up on the cutting room floor. So it was more a need, which is why I started doing it. And the more I showed other people, the more they thought, wow, we like this. Speaker 14 18:30 - 18:50 So Genuine Fakes, you're obviously pushing it and I can understand why. So you've got secondary funding and I understand you've been speaking, excuse me, to Santander. So tell me a little bit about your idea with this project and how you're pushing it so much that you're nearly there but not quite there because obstacles have been putting you away. Speaker 13 18:50 - 19:05 Well, Keele University, I've got a meeting tomorrow, they've been brilliant. And Santander, they actually work together. And they will be paying for the five interns for the film from beginning, middle to end. And I think that's brilliant. Speaker 13 19:05 - 19:27 I think a bank working with a university, and this man from Santander called Robert, he's wonderful man. And he just loved the vision and straight away said, we're in. So I'm really excited by this because it's a great way to show that interns and trainees have a great opportunity of being paid. They're all paid the same. Speaker 13 19:27 - 19:47 So someone that went to uni, someone that didn't, someone from privilege, someone that's not, someone that's got disability. that when you see the five on set, no one's going to know. And to me, that's why all interns should be paid. And that's why I'm excited with this internship that Santander and Keele University are putting together. Speaker 13 19:47 - 19:53 Very excited. And I believe Wolverhampton now are coming on board as well. But I have that meeting tomorrow in Stafford. Speaker 14 19:53 - 20:03 OK, so someone listening to you now would think that's a very clever lady. She's articulate. She knows what she's talking about. So how does your autism impact on you? Speaker 14 20:03 - 20:21 And what difficulties do you have that might be what you people would call invisible disability? So can you just share with people that might be listening? You might have an autistic individual thinking, I want to do what she's doing. So what is it that makes it difficult for you being diagnosed with autism? Speaker 13 20:21 - 20:33 You've used the word invisible and that's basically how people see me. I get words such as, well, you don't look autistic. Well, what does autistic actually mean? And it really makes me angry. Speaker 13 20:34 - 20:48 Simple things, for example, a website. If there's too much going on, my brain goes into meltdown. I actually can't see it. And then if you go on to an online application and there's a clock ticking, Speaker 14 20:48 - 20:50 Is this at the British Film Institute? Speaker 13 20:50 - 21:09 No, I think it's Creative England. I can't remember now which one because even thinking about it makes me go into overdrive. But either way, you get a clock perhaps or you get these sentences that are so wordy and so complicated, even the dictionary, I struggle to understand them. So it's that that I struggle with. Speaker 13 21:09 - 21:35 But because when people see me, whatever autistic means or doesn't to them, it doesn't mean that I'm not struggling. And this is why I really feel that we need to have an option for people that if they apply, that because they can't do that part, that they can have a face-to-face with someone and close their eyes and give them the answers. And someone note-take. Because essentially, it's not about filling the form in. Speaker 13 21:35 - 21:51 It should be about the project and the contents and the work that's gone behind the project. Otherwise, we are a creative industry putting ourselves in boxes. We are not a tick box industry. We are creative and we should be looking outside the box. Speaker 13 21:51 - 22:00 Therefore, people like the British Film Institute and Creative England and the BBC should all be looking at the other talent that they are missing. Speaker 14 22:00 - 22:16 So what would have helped you is with filling out the form, you could have said, look, I find this form really difficult to process. How about I come in for an interview and you just help me with it? Brilliant. And that was a little bit like my son, Patrick, who's obviously got himself a job at Pinewood now. Speaker 14 22:16 - 22:29 He's been there four months. absolutely loves it. I can see a big difference in him and other people have noticed it. And because obviously the process was quite difficult there, they spoke to him over the phone because I suggested it and then he sailed through the interview. Speaker 14 22:29 - 22:45 And now what they're saying at Pinewood, which is obviously forward thinking, is that they're going to change the process when they're interviewing people who are on the autism spectrum. So they may start off with a telephone conversation. So it's just a small, reasonable adjustment. It's not going to cost them anything. Speaker 14 22:46 - 22:49 It's just another way of looking at the interview process. Speaker 13 22:49 - 22:57 Absolutely. Absolutely. I think it's brilliant news about Pinewood because they've been actually awfully supportive to me as well. So really, really happy about that. Speaker 14 22:59 - 23:09 This month has been mental health awareness. So you were diagnosed with PTSD and depression by the GP and given antidepressants. Can you talk to me a little bit about that, if you don't mind? Speaker 13 23:10 - 23:17 Absolutely. You know, what can I say? I was given drugs. They were taking out my character. Speaker 13 23:18 - 23:24 I mean, people were looking at me and saying, Julie, stop taking them. You are not depressed. I wasn't depressed. Speaker 14 23:25 - 23:27 So how were they affecting you, the medication? Speaker 13 23:27 - 23:33 It was dulling me down. I was dazed. My eyes were dazed. I didn't have any spark anymore. Speaker 13 23:33 - 23:45 My character is my spark. And that's what makes me who I am. And I stopped taking them, even though I was advised not to. And people said, you're not, you are not depressed, Julie. Speaker 13 23:45 - 23:55 It's something else. What is it? So I was so lucky to realize that it was not that. And it was because of friends that had known me that had realized, Julie, it's not depression you've got. Speaker 13 23:55 - 24:02 So this was before you were diagnosed? Absolutely. Absolutely. So, you know, I was I was thinking I was going mad, actually. Speaker 13 24:02 - 24:11 I actually thought I was going mad. But people were saying, Julie, you're actually very clever. You know, you're just different. People would say you're a little different or you're a little odd. Speaker 13 24:12 - 24:29 And I guess I am a bit quirky. But I'm not depressed. And I hope that there aren't people out there like myself that are over-diagnosed with drugs that actually are quirky, that should, I'm not saying stop taking, but just look, seriously, is it depression? Because it might not be. Speaker 13 24:29 - 24:31 It might be autism. Speaker 14 24:31 - 24:39 Who knows? When you were going through the process of diagnosis while we were chatting for a coffee before we came here, you told me about the application pack. Can you share a little bit about that? Speaker 13 24:39 - 24:55 Oh, this is a cracker. So I get an application pack before my autistic session from the exam. it's sort of an appointment. And there's a sheet of paper, there's quite a few sheets of paper that says, when you're with your parents, would you please fill A, B, C, D and E in? Speaker 13 24:56 - 25:07 Well, I'm 47 years of age. And to me, I actually rang back and said, guys, I think you've sent the wrong package to me. I'm an adult. I'm not a child. Speaker 13 25:07 - 25:15 So the questions were aimed at parents and children. Yeah, absolutely. I was gobsmacked. And actually, the forms were so overcomplicated, again, I couldn't read them anyway. Speaker 13 25:15 - 25:25 So, it was a useless piece of information they sent to me. But it was the lack of understanding that they're sending a package to an adult, not a child. Speaker 14 25:25 - 25:36 So, if a person's been diagnosed on the autism spectrum, what advice would you give to them now, knowing what you know now? 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