All Things Autism – Hardeep Rai, The Kaleidoscope Group

All Things Autistm - Hardeep Rai, The Kaleidoscope Group.mp3 ========================================= Speaker 3 00:00 - 00:15 Are you feeling anxious? Online Therapy 24x7 is here to help. We offer confidential support from the comfort of your own sofa. Our highly qualified therapists are experienced in a full range of daily challenges. Speaker 3 00:16 - 00:28 You'll be in safe and trusted hands. Don't suffer alone. Change your life by calling us on 0207 553 50 80 and check out our website onlinetherapy247.com. Speaker 1 00:28 - 00:43 Hello, this is Anna Kennedy. We're talking all things autism life in lockdown. Yes, and we're still one day at a time. just hopefully one day closer to seeing all our families and friends and giving them a hug. Speaker 1 00:43 - 01:39 Over the weekend it's been so lovely to see everyone putting up their Christmas trees, Christmas decorations, spreading a bit of cheer and that's something that I was doing over the weekend. My Christmas decorations are a little bit different because as you know my eldest son Patrick's into paleontology and he's doing a course at Birkbeck and he's bought so many dinosaur Christmas ornaments he just I thought I can't have them all in the lounge he's got to spread them somewhere else upstairs so we put a few in on the tree and then we've had a few on the mountain piece and I must say some of them are quite cute but I just thought I can't have them everywhere in the lounge so we we compromised so we've done half and half so half traditional half dinosaur and my youngest son Angelo was so excited although when we first get out all of the Christmas bits he finds that a little bit overwhelming so he ran upstairs in his bedroom shut the door and then when it was Speaker 1 01:39 - 02:43 all ready he came downstairs and just looked at everything almost like he was scanning the room and now he's happy now and so yeah everyone loves a bit of festive cheer and talking about festive cheer our Christmas cards the charity Christmas cards are on sale they're so lovely been designed by autistic adults and children so you get five different designs and it's 10 in a pack £3.50 and £1.50 postage and packing so if you'd like to buy some for your families and friends please check out the charity website www.charityfestivecheer.co.uk AnnaKennedyOnline.com and also at the weekend we normally have our Christmas market our charity Christmas market in collaboration with special educational needs and disability support group however we're not able to do that this year so what we've done is we as a charity have bought 200 selection boxes and what we've done is we're going to be delivering them to families and Father Christmas is going to be going to send special messages to everyone so we're trying to do something a little bit different this year. Speaker 1 02:43 - 03:25 Everyone's got to adapt and also what we're doing for the month of December is our Autism's Got Talent performers not all of them obviously but they're going to be singing Christmas songs, Christmas dances, you name it so we're going to be sharing those over the next few weeks so keep looking out on the charity website and they're very excited and also Christmas messages from our charity champions, our charity ambassadors and our charity patrons. And I just wanted to say that I'm really honoured that I just found out on Friday that I am one of 12 finalists for the Ladies of All Nations Award. I've been nominated by various different people. Speaker 1 03:25 - 04:12 And thank you so much for being strong, resilient and a community changemaker. So on Sunday, we're going to be doing it online because normally we would be having an event because last year I presented an award to an amazing family and it's such a lovely uplifting and emotional roller coaster event and I'm really proud to say that I've been chosen as one of 12 ladies for the all nationwide award so I'll let you know how that goes when I chat to you next week. So my guest today is Hardy Rye and Hardy is the founder and CEO of the Collider Scope Group, an organisation that aims to transform the lives of disabled people through their careers. Speaker 1 04:12 - 04:29 He spent 23 years in the investment management industry, including 13 years in the well-known hedge fund, Gartmore Investment Management. He spent the last 10 years as an entrepreneur, investor and business growth specialist. Well, hello there, Hardeep. How are you? Speaker 2 04:30 - 04:32 Hi, Anna. I'm very well, thank you. And you? Speaker 1 04:32 - 04:46 I'm great. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy day to chat to me on a women's radio station. So what we'd like to do is, if you don't mind, for our listeners is to give a snapshot of who you are. Speaker 1 04:46 - 04:54 So let's not talk about the business. Let's not talk about autism. Let's tell everybody who you are. Speaker 2 04:54 - 05:09 That's a wonderful question. Thank you, Anna. And can I just, first of all, thank you very much for giving me the opportunity today to speak with you and to also congratulate you on your nomination. I was trying to keep up with all your updates at the beginning, and that's phenomenal. Speaker 2 05:10 - 05:11 So very, very well done, Anna. Speaker 1 05:11 - 05:13 Thank you. That's really kind of you. Speaker 2 05:13 - 05:35 are, not at all. So thank you for asking me about me as Hardeep. And I will sort of go into quite a bit of detail about my past and who I am and what's made me who I am today, really, and be quite transparent and open for your listeners. So some of the things I'll share with you today are things that I've not shared before. Speaker 2 05:35 - 05:56 So I'll go into that level of detail. So I suppose my first memory as I was growing up was being a product of a broken home. So my, my mum and my dad, unfortunately, they divorced when I was around 10 years old. And, and up until that point in life, everything for me was really, it was great fun. Speaker 2 05:56 - 06:15 I had lots of cousins. And, you know, I was very, very fortunate to be surrounded by those things that you want to be growing up with. But that was a real shake-up to my system, you know, because I think at that age when you lose a parent, and I lost it, was that we ended up staying with my father as opposed to my mother. It was my sister and I. Speaker 2 06:15 - 06:41 We really had to learn how to grow up in a family where there were three of us instead of four. And I think one of the things that was really lucky was that we, you know, I mean, coming from an Indian background, the joint family structure is really common. So you have grandparents and uncle and aunts that typically live quite close by. And I think where we were lucky was our, my grandparents were really loving and really caring. Speaker 2 06:41 - 06:58 And, you know, my grandmother almost became that pseudo mother as, as we were growing up. So that was, that was really helpful, but that was, that was quite traumatizing at that age to go through that. And then the next thing I did at the age of 12, Anna, I became a teenage joy rider. Speaker 1 07:00 - 07:00 Wow. Speaker 2 07:02 - 07:05 I don't know if you remember, do you remember the car, the Ford Granada? Speaker 1 07:06 - 07:07 I do, my dad used to have one. Speaker 2 07:08 - 07:25 Okay, so my uncle used to have a Ford Granada and at the age of 12 on New Year's Eve, you know, because I was always quite tall so I managed to look a lot older than my age, I took his car out on a teenage joyride and it was only around the block but unfortunately I had an accident. Speaker 1 07:26 - 07:26 Oh no! Speaker 2 07:26 - 07:43 And I got caught. And you know, when you go through life and you're kind of the angelic figure, and then all of a sudden, overnight, you become the black sheep of the family. That's what, that's what happened to me overnight. It was like, Oh my God, you know, I can't believe he's, he's actually done this. Speaker 2 07:43 - 08:02 So that was the next thing that happened. Then I think the, the real crux to the family came when I was doing my O levels. So In those days, it wasn't GCSEs, it was O-Levels and CSEs. And out of the nine O-Levels that I took, I failed six, Anna. Speaker 2 08:02 - 08:35 And everyone that speaks to me very often says, oh my God, you sound so intelligent, your voice, your accent. And I'm like, if only you actually knew the truth of what I went through. And the fact that I had to re-sit my English three times And even when I did then pass Anna, I got a C, okay? So, you know, academically, I've definitely not been on the bright side of the spectrum, but I think where I got lucky, Anna, was my grandfather, my late grandfather, I should say, was a diplomat. Speaker 2 08:36 - 09:18 So he was able to convince, in those days when you could have a bit of influence, he was able to convince an higher education college to take me on and give me a chance to do some A-levels. and then he also managed to convince SOAS which is a school of oriental and african studies one of the university of london colleges to allow me to study law and economics and i think that that point was probably the time in my life when i i did take academia quite seriously because up until then i never really enjoyed studying anna you know i hated this concept of sitting down for exams and And I was very much a crash preparer. You know, I was never one of these guys that sort of studied throughout the year. Speaker 2 09:20 - 09:43 But that was really fundamental for me. You know, the fact that I went to SOAS, I really then got a very good taste for education and academia. You know, that world of kind of economics and law and international relations. Because one of the good things about SOAS was it was a very international university, right? Speaker 2 09:43 - 10:03 So I got to meet people from all over the world. And then what I did is, you know, coming from an Indian family, typically, you're supposed to either become an accountant, a doctor or a lawyer. So when I when I wanted to go into banking, my grandfather initially wasn't overly enamored by that. But then he thought he just let me, you know, take my take my own direction. Speaker 2 10:04 - 10:30 So although I did law and economics, and I did a master's in law and economics, I actually then went into banking. And I started off as a secretary. And I think that, you know, for me, the the concept of being a secretary, I actually put huge amounts of credibility to secretaries, because I think they're really critical people. in terms of how they work and making sure that they can manage the person they work with. Speaker 2 10:30 - 10:57 And for me, I was a secretary for the first three months to some pretty senior people in the banking sector. And that was a phenomenal eye-opener for me. And then I sort of graduated from a secretary to a filing clerk, and then I became an administrator. And then where I got my lucky break was at an organization called Newton Investment Management, they could see that I had some financial skill and they offered me a role as performance analyst. Speaker 2 10:58 - 11:05 And that was the beginning of a really illustrious 15-year career in the city, Anna. Speaker 1 11:06 - 11:08 Oh, that's good to hear. Speaker 2 11:08 - 11:36 Yeah. And when I, even when I look back now, and this was, this is going back to the days before the financial crisis, I was extremely blessed to have some of the opportunities that I had. very fortunate to work for Gartmore and a couple of other hedge funds too, and work with some really creative, inventive, revolutionizing individuals. You know, and that, that I think for me is what has given me a lot of the grounding in terms of who I am today. Speaker 2 11:36 - 12:02 So, you know, when you, when you say who, who am I, you know, what, what sort of made me up, I have been very focused on money, unfortunately, in my growing up years. I've been looked upon as a pound sign over my head. So very often, you know, it's not the name Hardy that people used to refer to, you know, they always used to look at how much is this guy saved in a year, and that's what keeps your job. It's very, it was very financial. Speaker 2 12:02 - 12:29 And the flip side of it was that I worked with some fund managers that were extremely wealthy and would get exceptionally large bonuses. So I got to see a side of life that was almost very, very unrealistic. And, uh, you know, it was like we were sort of in a bubble and that was a thing that was really different for me, you know, so, so, but that was a really good learning because I think the pressure that I was put under. was on another level. Speaker 2 12:29 - 12:50 And I think if people have worked in the city, they will know that very often you'll spend the night at work. You know, there were three occasions where I actually slept in the photocopying room because I had to meet deadlines seriously. There's some unbelievable things I had to do in those days, but they really give you the foundation for life. you know, for life. Speaker 1 12:50 - 13:04 And I think what I've picked up from your conversation is you had someone who believed in you, which was your grandfather. Yes. And opened some doors for you. And also a lot of people that I speak to, school years are just not good years for them. Speaker 1 13:04 - 13:24 But once they got to college or to further education, that's when the door started opening for them. So I think that you then found your niche which is again something that people need to find, to find something that you're good at to make you feel good, boost your confidence and now obviously you're flying. Speaker 2 13:25 - 13:34 Thank you, well yeah, well I'd like to say I'm on my journey, I'd never say I'm flying so high but I'm definitely, I'm definitely on my journey, definitely on my journey. Speaker 1 13:35 - 13:41 Okay so tell me a little bit about Kaleidoscope, the group, so what is that all about and how did you get there? Speaker 2 13:42 - 14:09 So the original concept of Kaleidoscope came from being inspired by my son. So in 2006, when I was still at Gartmore, sort of flying high in those days, my son Isham was born. And he was born with a, he lost 17 minutes of oxygen, Anna, during the birthing process. And it was One of those, this is one of those things that can happen to anybody in life, okay? Speaker 2 14:09 - 14:22 It was a last minute birthing complication. Everything was perfect up until then. And, you know, we were suddenly told that your son is very sick. If he's going to live, then it will, then the next seven days will be very telling. Speaker 2 14:22 - 14:32 And believe it or not, in those days, they actually gave us the opportunity to switch off the life support machine as well. Yeah. They actually said that. They actually said, look, these were their words. Speaker 2 14:32 - 14:46 I'll never forget them. If your son survives, he's going to be a vegetable and there's very little he's going to be able to do in his life. You know, so we'll give you and your wife seven days to decide whether or not you want to switch his life support machine off. Speaker 1 14:46 - 14:49 My word. No, that's just awful. Speaker 2 14:50 - 15:13 It was really awful, really awful. And I think at that point, you know, when I, when I heard this news about my son, I remember even till today, standing in a lift lobby, if I close my eyes as I'm recounting this to you, Anna, standing in the lift lobby in the hospital, people are walking past me, there's hustle, bustle, but do you know something? I could not hear a single sound. Speaker 2 15:14 - 15:50 And it was that phrase, the sound of silence, you know, where you're surrounded by silence, but you, sorry, there's so much going on, but you're not hearing anything and can't believe it's actually happening to you. And, you know, it's really, it was a real shock to my system. And the first thing I thought was, okay, my wonderful bank balance is going to get me the best doctor in the world, and I'm going to find a way to fix this. And when I found out that that wasn't the case, Anna, that was the first time that I ever even considered the word disability because in my 36, 37 years of existence, I didn't really even know what that word meant. Speaker 2 15:50 - 16:11 I'm embarrassed to admit, you know, it never touched me or it never came close to me. So He, Esham was my, my first inspiration that I want to do something in the world of disability, but I don't know what, okay. I never knew what I wanted to do, but he inspired me for that. And then the second, the second inspiration was Shane Bradby. Speaker 2 16:11 - 16:40 And he, he was the one that told me, he approached me in 2014. And he said, look, Hardy, people with disabilities really struggle to raise investment for their business ideas. Either they get offered grants, they get asked to apply for competitions, or they get referred to different charities, but very rarely do people with with an investment background look at people with disabilities. And, you know, Anna, for me, that was suddenly the perfect puzzle. Speaker 2 16:40 - 16:50 I thought, hang on, I've got all this investment background and experience. I've been an investor. I've worked in private equity. Why don't I bring that into the world of disability? Speaker 2 16:51 - 17:18 And that's what gave birth to the concept of investing in people with disabilities that have great business ideas and giving them those opportunities they didn't have. And that was really how Kaleidoscope was born, Anna. You know, it came through Ishan as my inspiration, and it came through Shane Bratby. And Shane was also the founder of disabledentrepreneurs.co.uk, which is a fantastic website to encourage people with disabilities to start businesses. Speaker 2 17:19 - 17:27 And that's... Is that still going now? It is, actually. Disabled entrepreneurs are still going, and Shane still does that, and he's still my business partner. Speaker 2 17:27 - 17:45 But he does that very much from the That's the charitable arm, so to speak, whereas Kaleidoscope is more the investment arm of the business. So disabled entrepreneurs wouldn't invest, whereas Kaleidoscope investments would invest. So that was the birth of Kaleidoscope investments and how it started. Speaker 1 17:45 - 17:47 OK, how is your son now? Speaker 2 17:49 - 18:10 My son is doing well. I mean, if I explain to you his condition first, then you'll get an idea, and I'll give you the long list of what he can't do and then what he can do. So at the age of 14 today, he's in a full-time care home. I get to see him once a week, possibly twice sometimes. Speaker 2 18:10 - 18:20 Obviously, this was before COVID. COVID has impacted that quite significantly. So he's registered blind. He is unable to walk. Speaker 2 18:21 - 18:32 He is unable to talk. He is peg fed. He's got cerebral palsy as his condition. He has got epilepsy. Speaker 2 18:33 - 18:50 We don't know what his mental age is because he's unable to communicate. So this is one of the biggest challenges I find as a father is I never know what Ishan's thinking. I never know what he's feeling. I never know what he wants to say. Speaker 2 18:50 - 19:10 You know, it's really, sometimes it's really difficult to sort of establish that. Now, lucky for me, there are times when he smiles and when he's really engaging. And when he does that, he lights up the life. He really does, because he's got such an engaging smile and such a deep passion inside him. Speaker 2 19:10 - 19:40 Even though he can't communicate it, that's the, you know, and this comes to what he can do, okay? It's like, whenever people meet him or whenever people see him, even though he's unable to communicate in a conventional way, they feel something from him. You know, they walk away and they feel something. I mean, to be very honest, Anna, quite often people that meet him for the first time, they cry very often because they're really taken aback by him and his condition. Speaker 2 19:40 - 20:06 But at the same time, it's a loving cry in that they really feel and a love towards him, you know, so he's sort of very, he's unable to do a lot of different things. But on the flip side, in terms of his inspiration, he has inspired me to do what I'm doing. And because of him, he's changed the lives of hundreds, if not thousands of disabled people around us. And This is just the beginning of our journey, Anna. Speaker 1 20:06 - 20:28 The thing is, if you're not touched by a disability, whatever it may be, you don't really understand it. And obviously your son's got a way of communicating that only you and he know, if you like. Like for my son, Angelo, for example, he's got minimal verbal skills, but there's certain things that he says that to someone they might think it's gobbledygook, but I understand what they mean. Speaker 2 20:28 - 20:33 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You're so right. And you learn, don't you, as a parent? Speaker 2 20:34 - 20:56 I think we all do. I mean, with Ishan, I know when he's in his wheelchair, if he's rising his, if he raises his right arm to a point where the elbow goes sort of up towards his face, I know immediately he's uncomfortable, you know? And so there's a lot of education. And this is one of the interesting things about care homes, actually, is that, you know, I think care homes do a really good job. Speaker 2 20:56 - 21:41 They do do a really good job, but it's incumbent on the parents of those children to really, really train the carers. Like I knew where Eishan was, they had this care plan, which is about 25 pages long of text. So one of the things I did for Eishan's care home, Anna, is I took a whole load of videos, I took lots of photos, and I created a PowerPoint presentation with my voice pretending to be Eishan's behind. So now when a carer comes to work with Eishan for the first time, carer to watch my presentation, sign off that they've seen it and then work with him, you know, and then I feel as a parent more comfortable that he's going to get the best care and Speaker 2 21:41 - 21:42 attention that he can get. Speaker 1 21:43 - 21:58 Yeah, so how has COVID impacted on you visiting your son? Are you able to see him or has it done via Skype? Because I've spoken to so many parents where, say for example, one parent, she hasn't seen her son since March and she's just so frustrated. So how was it for you? Speaker 2 21:59 - 22:29 Yeah, I can really relate to that parent I think going from seeing him once to twice a week to not being allowed to see him for three months Was heart-wrenching and it really was, you know, you can't it's so difficult to put into words because you know You just want to hold him. You just want to touch him You want him to feel you and one of the things that I used to do with him was because he's quite long now I used to lie down next to him in his bed stroke his hair and Yeah, his face, you know, and I couldn't do all of those things. Speaker 2 22:29 - 22:46 It was very, very difficult. And the one thing I would say is that when I did see him after the first three months, which was incidentally a socially distanced visit, yeah, so just imagine that you have to wear a mask and you can be around your son, but you're still not allowed to touch them. for your child. Speaker 1 22:47 - 22:56 Him as well, because seeing you like that, because I know when I started putting mask on, Angelo was looking at me as if to say, what are you putting that on for? You don't normally wear that. Speaker 2 22:56 - 23:18 Yeah, exactly. But you see, the interesting thing with Ishan is, truly speaking, I don't know whether he does see me with the mask. I don't know whether he doesn't see me, because I don't have a concept of what his visual capability is. He's not able to What we do know is his eyes and his optical nerve are fine, but the image that comes onto the back of the brain, that's what we don't know about. Speaker 1 23:18 - 23:22 It could be his senses are heightened, it could be he knows your smell. Speaker 2 23:22 - 23:46 Yes, totally right. And smell and touch, but then of course my frustration was I wasn't allowed to touch him, but I knew that he would recognise my voice. And you know what's the most beautiful thing, Anna? luckily we recorded that first visit because when I, and I'll send you the link to this afterwards, it's so beautiful, when I said hi Isham for the first time, you know, the way I did, his response was electrifying. Speaker 2 23:47 - 24:06 It was really, really beautiful. And then it was a few weeks later that I was allowed to kiss him for the first time, albeit with his mask. And again, he gave the most beautiful response when I kissed him too. So you know that there is something that's being registered and And apart from the physical visits, I FaceTime him every single day. Speaker 2 24:07 - 24:17 So I'll speak to him at least once or twice every day and I'll see him on FaceTime. So he's definitely hearing me and feeling me through that communication. Speaker 1 24:17 - 24:30 Okay. We've got quite a bit to get through. So I'd want everybody to listen to your wonderful story and about Kaleidoscope. So can you tell me a little bit about what are your long-term plans with Kaleidoscope? Speaker 2 24:30 - 24:41 Sure. So Kaleidoscape started off as just helping entrepreneurs. Okay. So it was all about investing in people with, with, you know, great business ideas and helping them to grow their businesses. Speaker 2 24:42 - 25:16 Um, but over the, after, after about three years and having met about 600, I would say entrepreneurs at that time, we started requests for jobs. So a lot of people with disabilities were saying, you know, can you help us to find employment? And I really thought very long and hard about this because I knew my expertise was investment, but because there was such a demand, I thought, okay, we need to find a way to make this happen. So very recently in the last sort of six months, after a year and a half of finding all the right people for the team, we set up Kaleidoscope recruitment. Speaker 2 25:17 - 25:58 So we now have a recruitment arm as well. So not only can we help people with disabilities that are looking to start their own businesses, we can help those that are looking for employment as well. We also set up a charity called the Kaleidoscope Foundation, and that charity is designed to help disabled people that don't want to start a job or that don't want to become entrepreneurs, but want to get additional skills training, or they want to get grants to start not-for-profit businesses. So from the perspective of a disabled person, I wanted to make sure, Anna, that Kaleidoscope could be the type of organization that helps them define their purpose, and through their careers. Speaker 2 25:58 - 26:29 And I wanted to sort of be almost like as much as I hate to use this phrase, a one stop shop to help them to find their passion, really, and realize their full potential. So that's the Kaleidoscope engine in terms of a disabled individuals' point of view, that's how we can help them. My longer-term plans are, you know, we've done, we're doing really well in the UK so far. I mean, despite COVID, you know, having happened recently, we've been very fortunate in the conversations that we've had, the reach that we've had. Speaker 2 26:30 - 27:07 We have an incubator program that is encouraging people to start their businesses even during this time You know, our foundation has a sharing circle, which is encouraging people to talk and share, you know, from a charitable point of view. So some great things we're doing in the UK, but we are also expanding into five countries right now, Anna. So they are the UAE, India, Uganda, the USA, and Portugal. Over the next two years, those are the five regions that we'll be expanding into. Speaker 2 27:07 - 27:23 But my vision for Kaleidoscope is very much to become a global player. I want Kaleidoscope to become my legacy, Anna. I get often asked, am I building this business to sell it? And I'm absolutely not. Speaker 2 27:23 - 27:36 I want Kaleidoscope to be successful. I want the people that are part of it to be successful. We're very change making in our mindset, but I want this business to be a legacy. It's definitely not something I'm building to sell on. Speaker 1 27:36 - 27:53 OK, because we're a programme that's all about autism. Could you talk to me a little bit about, say, for example, if an autistic person was to contact you and they wanted to upskill to look for a job, do you have many autistic individuals that approach you? Speaker 2 27:54 - 28:20 Yes, we do. And in fact, I have a wonderful lady on my team that is autistic that looks after our IT department as well. So we've, and it's really interesting to know, Anna, I did some research and we've been approached by people from 63 different types of disabilities. And so we've met over a thousand people from 63 different disabilities over 26 countries. Speaker 2 28:20 - 28:45 And autism is a position number 18. in terms of the number of individuals that approach us. So that's actually really quite high, you know, and funnily enough, one of the, one of the sectors in the areas that's very popular is, um, the failure in diagnosis. Um, when it comes to autism, it's a, it's a very, very big area and it's not just in the UK, it's international as well. Speaker 2 28:45 - 29:12 There's a lot of parents that I even, that I even meet on these different disability groups. that are always engaging with each other about how disappointed they are that there's not more support for their autistic children in terms of diagnosis. So I think that's a really big one that we get. And the other thing, so in terms of how somebody would approach us, so our website, which is fully accessible, there's a phone number and there's an email on the website. Speaker 2 29:12 - 29:34 And what they would do is that whether they came to us to start a business idea, or they came to us to talk about employment, they would have an initial call. Okay. So we're not one of these companies where you have to fill out a form and then we'll, uh, you know, we'll, uh, sort of, we'll come back interested every single person. Okay. Speaker 2 29:34 - 30:07 And during that conversation, we explained the entire process and how it works. And we manage expectations very clearly from the beginning in terms of what, what we can guarantee we can do and what we can't, you know, because The other big thing I've learned, Anna, and this is whether it's autism or any other disability, is that if you don't manage expectations from the very beginning, then you can actually put people in a worse position than they were before you started speaking to them. Yeah, so that's a really big learning. Speaker 2 30:07 - 30:37 So that's how we would typically work with them. And I think what we then say is that whether you're in the incubation process for a startup, whether you start talking to other people that are in our workshop, The other fantastic thing is you build a community of people that are similar to you, OK, that are friendly, that you can start talking with outside of work. And the feedback we get is that that power of community and networking is very, very useful for people that approach us. Speaker 1 30:38 - 30:44 OK, so people are interested in finding your website. Could you share the links where they can find you or a telephone number? Speaker 2 30:45 - 30:54 Sure I can, so I'll share it after the programme but our website is very simple it's just www.kaleidoscope.group. Speaker 1 30:55 - 31:00 Okay, www.kaleidoscope.group and are you on social media? Speaker 2 31:01 - 31:12 We are and we have the handle of at the kaleidoscope group and again I'll share all of these links with you afterwards Anna. Speaker 1 31:12 - 31:33 Okay great and we can put it on the charity website as well so if people are interested we're going to be having an article that's been written by Hardy on the charity website so there'll be various different links on there so don't worry if you haven't picked it up. So I understand that you've been working with James Karn, can you tell me what that was like and what were the biggest lessons that you'd learnt from James? Speaker 2 31:34 - 31:44 Thank you, Anna. Yes, I did. I was at a point in my life where I was going through a divorce. And at the same time, I was interviewing with James. Speaker 2 31:44 - 32:18 And the first thing I'm going to say here, Anna, for those that are listening that are looking for work, OK, is never, ever be afraid to ask people around you for help. Okay, this is the most important thing you can do when you're looking for a job, because, you know, I spent three months looking for a job. And the person that was able to introduce me to James, most ironically, was my very own sister, because she happened to know his lawyer. So, um, so I was lucky enough to have a meeting with his lawyer, and his lawyer met me. Speaker 2 32:18 - 32:32 and said, OK, you seem like a good guy, Hardy. Let me introduce you to somebody that works with James to see if you would be good for a particular position that he had open. So this position was client director. So Anna, it was an incredible experience. Speaker 2 32:32 - 32:44 And I'm going to write a book about this one day. I met his sort of right hand on a Thursday night. And on a Friday morning, he told me that you've got your interview with James. Okay. Speaker 2 32:44 - 32:59 And I didn't know very much about what I was going to be interviewed for. And these were the days, Anna, that James was on Dragon's Den. He really was my hero. You know, he was just the epitome of what I wanted to be and what I wanted to learn. Speaker 2 32:59 - 33:18 And when I first went into his organization, I walked into this amazing reception area with photos of him everywhere. And you know, I think most people can relate to panicking when you go for an interview. I've got palpitations on another level. I mean, I walked into this office that was the size of my entire downstairs. Speaker 2 33:18 - 33:32 So think of a general boardroom and multiply it by two. And he had two secretaries and he had a boardroom table and he had his BlackBerry. And if any of you remember how he used to wear his glasses sort of halfway down his nose. Speaker 1 33:32 - 33:33 Oh yes, now I remember. Speaker 2 33:33 - 33:34 I used to do that. Speaker 1 33:34 - 33:35 Yes, I do. Speaker 2 33:35 - 33:47 So he put me on the spot and he goes, so Hardeep, tell me about yourself. Okay. And do you know something, Anna, I just fell to pieces. I don't know what it was. Speaker 2 33:47 - 33:56 Maybe it was, I was starstruck. His secretary was trying to get him to sign something. He was on his BlackBerry. He wasn't looking at me and I really hyperventilated. Speaker 2 33:56 - 34:05 I'm telling you, I was hyperventilating. I've never done that before in my life. Um, and do you know where I started with, you know how I told you today about me failing my O levels? Speaker 1 34:05 - 34:05 Oh yeah. Speaker 2 34:06 - 34:18 Would you believe, in my first few sentences with James Kahn, that's actually what I was telling him. I was like, OK, let me start from my O-levels, James. I started telling him I failed. And he just looked at me. Speaker 2 34:18 - 34:27 You could see I was hyperventilating. He asked everybody to leave the room, Anna. And he just then spoke. And he gave me a chance to really compose myself. Speaker 2 34:27 - 34:30 And do you know something? I saw a real compassionate side to him at that point. Speaker 1 34:30 - 34:36 Well, you're being honest as well. That's what I like. I don't like people that sort of sugarcoat things. I like people who just tell it how it is. Speaker 1 34:36 - 34:39 So for me, I would have been impressed with that. Speaker 2 34:40 - 35:14 Well, I didn't know whether he was or wasn't, but put it this way, that interview that was meant to last half an hour lasted one and a half hours. And, and so then that later that, so this is a Friday later that afternoon, um, I got a call from his assistant and she said, James really loved meeting you. Can you come in on Tuesday morning for another interview? Now, you know how Anna sometimes in life, you're at your rock bottom, you know, when everything else is going really bad for you, you've got one thing to hold on to that, just that one thing to hold on to. Speaker 2 35:14 - 35:22 That was my one thing to hold on to. And that weekend, you know what I did? And this is a huge. a huge, really valuable tip I want to give all your listeners. Speaker 2 35:23 - 35:32 So please listen to this. Okay. Over the weekend, I created a mini booklet on Hardeep. Okay. Speaker 2 35:32 - 35:44 And my first interview. So what I did is on the front page, I put his logo from his company. And I said proposal from Hardeep, you know, Hardeep Rai for client director position. Okay. Speaker 2 35:45 - 36:07 Page two was about the job specification. Page three, was about why I feel I'm good for that job. Page four was, James, what questions do I have for you about this role? And page five was, if you give me this job, James, what am I going to do in my first one month? Speaker 2 36:09 - 36:28 And I went to a printing shop that I know really well. And I said, what is the most expensive binding you can give me for this to make it look really professional? And she's like, look, the most I can charge you is £10, because it's just not possible to charge any more for, you know, a plastic cover, basically. So I got it printed. Speaker 2 36:28 - 36:41 And when I went to see him on Tuesday, Anna, and he said to me, so Hardy, you know, have you been thinking about this role? How are you feeling? I handed him the brochure, Anna. And do you know what? Speaker 2 36:41 - 36:51 I just saw this kind of smirk on his face, this smile. He was trying to contain it, but a smile. He was, you know what? He was not even reading what I wrote, Anna. Speaker 2 36:51 - 37:18 Okay. It was just the fact that I had gone to the effort to do, to really differentiate myself. And I think that's the thing when you're hungry in life, you know, whether you are autistic or you have any other form of disability, when you are hungry with something, really think about differentiating yourself and making yourself different. Be honest, be authentic, be real, because in the current world, especially, that's what we need. Speaker 2 37:18 - 37:43 And when I showed that to him, you know, he really, the conversation changed completely, Anna. And then we started talking financials and, you know, and then the other tip that's really big, and funnily enough, I only ever heard this from James when I've watched him on TV, but I inherently did this is that in the last two to three minutes when you're walking out and you're saying your farewells, really say something that's quite impactful. Okay. Speaker 2 37:43 - 37:57 And I remember walking down the stairs with James to go out of his office. And I said to him, James, listen, I'm not going to beg you. Okay. But, but I am telling, I cannot begin to tell you how how desperately I want you to give me this job. Speaker 2 37:57 - 38:12 I promise I won't let you down. I will be really, you know, I will really work so hard because, you know, the other big thing here, Anna, is he wanted somebody ultimately that had got a sales track record. And I've been a buyer all my life, right? I was never in sales. Speaker 2 38:12 - 38:39 So he was taking a huge chance on me. So I was really pleading with him, but, you know, not to look overly desperate. And just at the door, when he let me out, he sort of said, here's my card Hardy, call me at 7.20 tonight and I will let you know if you've got the job. And so of course I had another few hours of you know pure sheer panic and praying and at 7.20 when I called him he just said well Hardy you know I'm delighted to tell you that you've got the job. Speaker 2 38:42 - 39:06 That was the best, best moment of my life. But really those four days, they, they changed my life. And, you know, what, what I then learned to, coming onto the next question about what I learned from James is that, first of all, I love the way that he works in terms of motivating his staff to work for him. He's not a stick, you know, you have the carrot or the stick style of management. Speaker 2 39:06 - 39:33 For me, he was always very much a carrot, i.e. let me motivate you to do well. And I think where I felt very, very blessed, Anna, is that I was mentored by him and his team who taught me all about, you know, startups, how to grow startups aggressively, how to really get the business in, and what was important. And this was the most invaluable learning. And, you know, I think if someone was to say, you know, what were the biggest tips you picked up from James? Speaker 2 39:34 - 39:52 I'd say, you know, having a good story is really, really important. And again, Anna, I think for your listeners here, Leveraging your story and being honest about your story is actually a bonus in the day in the world that we're in today. Okay. Because it actually differentiates you. Speaker 2 39:52 - 40:06 There was a time where people were afraid to talk about their stories because they didn't want people to know. Now you should be talking about your story. So, so one of the really important things I learned from James was the power of the story. Okay. Speaker 2 40:06 - 40:27 And how your story makes you unique. The other, the other thing I learned about James is. just make sure that you are surrounded by some very, very trusted individuals that are able to execute for you and understand you very well. He has got a core group of people that he used to take with him to different organizations. Speaker 2 40:27 - 40:38 They know him really well. He knows them really well. There's a phenomenal level of trust. And I think when you've got that core group, then what you can do is limitless, Anna. Speaker 2 40:38 - 40:59 I mean, there was a point where James and his dragon Dragon's Den days, he had over 40 businesses he was running. OK, that's that's a phenomenal number of businesses to be running. But because he had really good teams around him, he was able to do that. So I think the power of the story, having a really good team, you know, and really being ready to put yourself out there. Speaker 2 40:59 - 41:02 Those were those were the incredible lessons I learned from him. Speaker 1 41:03 - 41:31 OK, that's amazing. And really, really lovely to listen to you talk about your experiences. But I'm thinking of people who are autistic that have got limited resources maybe limited people that can help them is there any other tips that you can give to say for example an adult who's on the spectrum for example let's let's start with they want to set up a company what's the first thing what could you tell them what could you give advice on where they've got limited resources? Speaker 2 41:32 - 41:53 Well, I think where we're very lucky today is the internet has got some incredible resources in terms of downloading a business plan, for example. Because the first tip I would give to anybody that wanted to start a business is to get hold of a business plan. Now, there are many, many templates online. And obviously, Kaleidoscope can help, obviously. Speaker 2 41:54 - 42:23 But of course, if you just downloaded a business plan, what the business plan would do is it would ask you the questions that you would need to know that would help you to understand whether or not your business plan, your business idea was actually going to be viable. Because what I would hope would happen, especially those that have got early stage ideas, is that you'll suddenly come across a lot of questions that you can't answer. Okay. And that, by the way, is a very good thing because that's, that's the idea of a business plan. Speaker 2 42:24 - 42:40 It highlights questions that you can't answer and it forces you to find those answers. So that's the first thing I do. I would, I would encourage anyone to download a business plan because that will show you how you need to think. The second thing I would do is look at the competition. Speaker 2 42:40 - 42:50 All right. It's, it's very, very rare nowadays that people are going to come up with ideas that have not been considered before. Okay. It's not impossible, but it's very rare. Speaker 2 42:50 - 43:04 It's very rare. So look at what the competition are doing and make sure that you understand what that competition are doing. Okay. And then the third thing I would do is try and create some kind of proof of concept. Speaker 2 43:05 - 43:26 Okay. So if it's something that is a, let's imagine it's an item of clothing. Okay. Try and find a way to create a prototype or something that can prove that your idea is possible, you know, because A lot of the time we find people with concepts that might be technology related, Anna, but they haven't spoken to a technology company. Speaker 2 43:26 - 43:45 Okay. And you know, so, so that's not that that's bad, but try and do as much research as you can on what's realistic and what's not realistic. So I think that's really important in terms of trying to have a proof of concept. And once you've, once you've done that, then you can start seeking out some external help, you know, because. Speaker 2 43:45 - 44:03 then whether it's you apply for a company like Kaleidoscope or similar people that can help with providing advice and guidance. And there's a lot of those that are out there now. If you just Google startup help, you will find a lot of information on websites. But I would caution about one thing though, Anna. Speaker 2 44:04 - 44:19 There are some people out there that are a little bit unscrupulous, okay? And- Especially in this time. Definitely. And I discourage, I strongly discourage paying people to help you to complete a business plan. Speaker 2 44:19 - 44:31 Okay. I'm not a, I'm not a big supporter of that. I've met a lot of people with disabilities that have paid thousands of pounds to develop, you know, a substandard business plan. And that really upsets me. Speaker 2 44:31 - 45:04 And that's, I think that's one of the things with Kaleidoscope is that, you know, we're very moral and we're very ethical in the way that we work, right? There are zero charges and I mean, zero for any person with a disability that comes, um, to work, whether it's on the entrepreneurial side, whether they're going on to our workshop sides, you know, on the employment side, there is zero cost. It's really important that you've got to be true to your course here. Um, so, so be careful and be very weary of people that are trying to charge you silly amounts to approach, you know, to, to fill out business plans. Speaker 2 45:04 - 45:37 So, and the other thing is with, when you're Googling online now, you know, if it is an autism community, reach out to people in your community that have done this. but can also tell you about the networks they used, right? Because I'm very aware of, you know, the points that you made about some of the autistic people that I speak to. I've met people on the spectrum where some are so that they find it difficult to even look at me when they're talking versus others that can publicly speak perfectly, but then on their own are very, very private and very withdrawn. Speaker 2 45:38 - 45:39 You know, it's a very big spectrum. Speaker 1 45:39 - 45:44 And is it easy to find small grants to help you set up in this current climate? Speaker 2 45:45 - 46:04 Yes. Do you know what? I think we're in a better stage now than we've ever been in terms of actually getting help from the government. So I think from the government, I encourage people that are even got their own small businesses, you know, with the bounce back loans or the other schemes that are available to people to actually definitely leverage those. Speaker 2 46:04 - 46:20 you know, .gov.uk. And then if you put in startup or grants, there are a massive number of resources that are there. And then of course, our charity, the Kaleidoscope Foundation, can also help with grants to help people that want to start their own businesses too. Speaker 1 46:20 - 46:38 Thank you. Now, with reference to employment, I get a lot of people that contact the charity with any ideas of employment that they might like to go for. So what tips and what workshops do you offer to help with, for example, filling out application forms or interview skills? Speaker 2 46:39 - 47:05 OK, so what we do, first of all, Anna, is when the individual speaks to us, they'll get an initial call for about half an hour and we will ask them a few questions. prior to that call about what it is that they want. Okay, so first of all, we want to understand how much they know about what they want in their future, or whether they just need advice and guidance. So we have a sort of a fact-finding call to better understand what they're looking for. Speaker 2 47:06 - 47:22 And we then also benchmark the process at that call. So we tell them what to expect. After that call, we then have a sort of a wellbeing questionnaire which goes into their disability and what level of support they need. Okay. Speaker 2 47:22 - 47:49 Because disclosure is very, very important to us. And we encourage all people that work with us to be really honest about, you know, talking about things that they're really good at and they're really skilled at and what level of support they need. And from that conversation, we will then determine what level of workshop we want to put them into. So our initial workshops talk about soft skills, they talk about the finding purpose in life. Speaker 2 47:49 - 48:18 So sort of a slightly more generic, how can we help you to find purpose through your career and soft skills? And then our second workshop is much more career focused, right? So that one's about CV, that one's about self branding, which is really important, especially on LinkedIn and how you put your best self forward. So we offer those two workshops to everybody that approaches us, but they can be at different levels according to what stage of the career people are at. Speaker 2 48:19 - 48:58 We run those on a monthly basis, Anna, and there's zero cost, like I mentioned earlier. And then what we do is once we've understood where they are from a career's point of view and confidence point of view, because obviously our workshops touch on confidence as well, we will then go and help them to find the jobs that they want. So importantly about for those people that are autistic, if they want us to be talking about them, we can do that in a very powerful way. So what we would effectively be doing is we're opening the door for them and then just getting them to speak to the interviewer without them needing to do any selling because we do that for them. Speaker 2 48:58 - 49:09 So we have very much of a headhunting mentality rather than here are job applications or open vacancies, we will help them to find the jobs that they want. Speaker 1 49:09 - 49:15 And what type of jobs are adults coming to you with, the autistic adults, what type of positions are they looking for? Speaker 2 49:16 - 49:42 Okay, so this probably won't surprise you, given the press that you read, but we get a lot of autistic people that are coming to us from the IT and the development background. But do you know what, Anna, and this is something I feel quite strongly about, is that I'm not a great one for pigeonholing people into categories. I don't, I don't want that to happen. You know, I think, you know, for me, disability is disability, you know, it doesn't matter what that disability is. Speaker 2 49:42 - 50:21 And you should actually look at the person on the merits of what they can do, not because they're from a certain type of disability. And I think unfortunately for autistic people, or fortunately to a certain extent, many have been pigeonholed into this it sort of mentality where they don't interact with people and they're sort of, you know, quite shy or they're not engaging. I don't think that's very fair at all. I've met some phenomenally confident salespeople that are autistic and actually what's amazing about the way they present themselves is they're not actually afraid because ironically they don't have that filter sometimes which can work to their benefit. Speaker 2 50:22 - 50:56 Okay, so actually, we've got three or four people that have come to us that are looking for client management positions, okay, so, sorry, my apologies, account management positions, okay. We've got three or four people that have come to us for telesales, believe it or not, right, they're just pure sales, but yes, there have been those that have come to us from an IT background as well. So those are the three areas of the demand that we've seen so far, but I encourage people, Anna, from all different types of backgrounds. When I say that, I mean work backgrounds. Speaker 2 50:56 - 51:18 If you're autistic and you've got different types of backgrounds, don't be afraid to develop something new. Don't go for a job just because you feel you're going to get that job. Go for a job that you really want, because there are people out there that will help you to get that job. And I feel it's very important not to settle for second best, Anna, when it comes to it. Speaker 2 51:18 - 51:40 applying for roles so don't be afraid to dream you know there's so many when I if you ask me you know like five ten years ago when I ever worked for James Caan everyone and myself would be laughing and it happened right so so so that's my motto yeah um can I just ask you when you speak to companies um are they receptive Speaker 1 51:40 - 51:50 to taking on autistic people? Or are they a bit wary? Or is it, you know, do they know what autism is? Do they know what reasonable adjustments that they might need to make? Speaker 2 51:51 - 52:22 Do you know, that's a brilliant question. And post COVID, or during COVID, I would say, people are much, much more receptive to having these conversations, Anna. Okay, so the diversity and inclusion agenda is on so many, so many people's minds right now. And we have good old Caroline Casey of the Valuable 500 to thank for that because she really created a very strong voice at Davos last year where she wanted CEOs to be aware of disability at boardroom level. Speaker 2 52:23 - 52:35 So there's a lot of companies that have sort of become a lot more DNI focused and the people that we are talking to now, would you believe Anna, are actually asking us for people with different types of disabilities. Speaker 4 52:35 - 52:36 They're asking us. Speaker 2 52:37 - 52:59 I know it's incredible. One of the things I want for Kaleidoscopes is to develop a brand where we are known to be the disability experts in recruitment. So the minute someone says, oh, you know, we want to hire a person with a disability, I want them to think kaleidoscope because I want them to feel that we really nurture the people that we're working with to help them into good positions. Right. Speaker 2 52:59 - 53:18 So I feel that's very important and employers are open to this now. So, you know, for those people out there listening that are afraid of revealing what their conditions are, please trust me, please trust me. We are going through a phase where people are more open now than they've ever been before. So do not be afraid. Speaker 2 53:19 - 53:36 Be disability smart and be proud of what you are. And talk openly about what you can do well. And talk openly about what you need support with. Because don't forget, the government, bless them, have a fantastic scheme in this country called Access to Work. Speaker 2 53:37 - 54:07 So if you are disabled and you need support, then Access to Work will pay the employer to give you that additional support. So you shouldn't be afraid. You should go in there with your head held high and disclose what your condition is, but why you're still very suitable for that role. So coming back to your question, Anna, in conclusion, I think employers that we have met in the last three months, and I can talk talk to you about 30 to 40 companies that we're talking to, many of them blue chip, are very very open to meeting people with Speaker 2 54:07 - 54:08 disabilities. Speaker 1 54:08 - 54:18 Oh that's great, so just to remind people listening in that might not have attended the conversation at the beginning, what is the link to your website and where can they find you? Speaker 2 54:18 - 54:36 The link to our website is www.kaleidoscope.group And there are, we have a free phone number if people would like to call, they can call the free phone number. And otherwise, we've got emails on our website for very specifically employment and entrepreneurship. Speaker 1 54:36 - 54:46 Oh, thank you. So for the last few minutes that we've got, obviously, we're all busy bees, and we're in a different type of world at the moment. What do you do to relax to help you recharge your batteries? Speaker 2 54:47 - 55:01 Great question, Anna. I love, I love the outdoors. I love going for walks. I, um, I became a Christian about six, seven years ago, um, after my, you know, to sort of come to terms with what happened with Ishan. Speaker 2 55:01 - 55:18 I found a lot of solace in, in, in that religion and that faith. So I start my day every day with sort of a Bible reading session and prayer, um, gratitude. And I, you know, I, I'm a big one on gratitude and being very grateful for what you have in life. And then I love the greenery. Speaker 2 55:18 - 55:34 I love nature. And one of the things I love about COVID is all the golf courses around you are closed. So you can take the dog for a lovely walk on a golf course, which is just so gratifying for me. And, you know, I just love the wind and the elements and just life in general. Speaker 2 55:34 - 55:50 You know, I think it's always nice to be surrounded by friends and people and having, you know, WhatsApp calls and Zoom calls and things like that. For me, getting outdoor, being outside and driving to different towns and cities is something that really enables me to switch off. Speaker 1 55:51 - 56:25 I know I love walking with my son Angelo we go for miles and miles of walks to various different parks and you tend to bump into the same people and you sort of you know give that nod as if to say oh hi you're out walking again type of thing but no it's good it's good for you it's definitely good to blow away the cobwebs because a lot of people are now you know that I've been speaking to I have Finding it difficult to sleep so I think if you go out for a good old long walk, a bit of what I call a stress buster walk. It's definitely a power walk when I'm walking with Angelo because he walks very quickly. Speaker 1 56:27 - 56:47 We have our little snack and it's just good to get outdoors. My son now, Patrick, he's starting a new job within the same company that he's worked for. He works for Pinewood, so he's been there two and a half years now. So today was his first day and he's texted me to say it's all going well, ma'am, not too bad. Speaker 1 56:47 - 56:48 So I thought, yay! Speaker 2 56:49 - 56:51 Thank goodness for that. Speaker 1 56:51 - 57:04 So last thing, what's What do you see in 10 years time for your company? We've got like a minute or so to just give me something what you think you can see your company doing in 10 years time. Speaker 2 57:05 - 57:25 I would. It's very simple. I would like Kaleidoscope to be global within 10 years. I've got a map of the world and I've broken the world down into 10 regions, Anna, and I want to feel that Kaleidoscope is in every one of those regions in 10 years and that we have entrepreneurs that are disabled shouting about why disabled people should start their Speaker 2 57:25 - 57:41 own businesses. And we have employees, candidates or employees that are doing really well in companies that are encouraging other disabled people to come forward. So creating role models through disabled people is really what I want to see Kaleidoscope helping to do globally. Speaker 1 57:42 - 57:58 Well, I hope your dream comes true. And it sounds like you're doing some fantastic work. And I want to say thank you very much for coming along to chat to me. It's a shame we're not in the studio together chatting, but hey, this is how it works at the moment. Speaker 1 57:58 - 58:16 So we're doing it via Skype. So if people are interested in reading more about what Hardeep and his company is doing, it'll all be on the charity website with the links on there. So you can contact Hardeep if you feel that he's somebody that can help you. I just want to say thank you again. Speaker 1 58:16 - 58:23 All the best for your son. And I just want to say thank you again to everyone who's listening in. Please keep going. Keep strong. Speaker 1 58:24 - 58:29 One day at a time. We will get there. Christmas is coming. bells and all that. Speaker 2 58:30 - 58:40 Excellent and thank you Anna for giving me the opportunity, it really was a privilege to to be here today and good luck with with you and your son and his new job and your nomination as well. Speaker 1 58:40 - 58:51 Oh thank you, that's really kind of you, so all the best everyone, please keep well, keep strong and keep going. Bye everyone, thank you, thank you, thank you Hardy, bye. Speaker 2 58:51 - 58:53 Thank you, bye. Speaker 3 58:54 - 59:09 Are you feeling anxious? Online Therapy 24x7 is here to help. We offer confidential support from the comfort of your own sofa. Our highly qualified therapists are experienced in a full range of daily challenges. Speaker 3 59:10 - 59:24 You'll be in safe and trusted hands. Don't suffer alone. Change your life by calling us on 0207 553 50 80 and check out our website OnlineTherapy24x7.com