Diabetic Dialogue – Lyndon Wissart

Welcome to Diabetic Dialogue. We are keeping the conversations going about diabetes and we are fighting the war on diabetes. Now the figures show that type 2 diabetes used to be an illness in people who were, let's say 40 plus. But there is now an increased rise in children getting type 2 diabetes and this is due to the rise in obesity. This is a very important messages for parents out there. Here today to tell us about his diabetic journey is Lyndon Wissart, author of the inspired diabetic Lyndon refers to himself as a linspiration. So welcome to the show, Lyndon and thank you for taking the time to speak to us on women's radio station today. Thank you very much for having me, Sanjay. It's a pleasure to be here and thank you for inviting me in. You are very welcome because I know how busy you are. Linda, first of all, just can you tell our listeners a little bit about you, just about you? What do you do personally? Me personally? Well, I'm a chef for over 30 years in different environments. I've worked in different hotels, restaurants, the country and in other countries as well. And working as a chef, I supposed to be the healthiest person around or one of the healthiest person around. But after 30 years I've been in the industry, my weakness has been desserts. So what happened to me? Obviously I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in October 2015 and yeah, my life changed. I'm of Jamaican background and because I'm a Jamaican background, all my foods that I'm normally eating are hard foods. You know, I understand carbohydrates and my mum's a wonderful cook. So this is why I think I got into trouble with the veganism. So. So you say you developed type 2 diabetes. What sort of symptoms did you have? What did you. How did it sort of appear? Well, I had all the symptoms. I had loads of symptoms of types of diabetes but I didn't know what the symptoms were for. So for over a year I had different symptoms of pins and needles in my feet. I was always tired. It came to the stage where I was urinating, going to the toilet at least once, two, three times an easily. And it was with those situations that made me worry, what's happening to me? What's happening to my body? I was, I was always thirsty as well. But you know, when you're always thirsty, you don't go drink water, you go drink a nice fizzy drink, you know, like my mango juice, my J2O's and other stuff that I love. All the colorful drinks I just drank something. Water was not one of the things I was a regular of. So when I'm looking at all the foods that I was eating and when I was looking at what I got into, I needed to reverse that. I see, so what was your. I mean, did you immediately go to your doctor when you sort of after experiencing those symptoms, did you go to your gp? It happened to me one day. This is what happened to him. On the day that I went to my gp, it was early morning, I went to work. One of my normal breakfasts in the morning, because I don't live in London, is that I got about an hour, hour and a half driving to London. I'll have three slices of toast, which would be brown bread. Cause I stopped eating the white bread because the white bread was unhealthier for you. So I went the granary way. So you were trying? I was trying. I was trying my best. So also on top of that, I'd put jam on it. Yeah. So what I'll do, I'd put the jam on the bread, I'll fold the bread and I'll take a chunk out of it to see if I like it or how much sweetness is in there. And if it wasn't sweet enough, I'll put more jam on it. So. And then on top of that, I'll have a latte. The latte sachets, the coffee latte, and for the coffee lattes, that's full of sugars already. But what I used to do, I used to have like two to three teaspoons of Demerara sugar on it instead of white sugar, because Demerara sugar was much more healthier for you. So I was looking at the healthy options. And in 2014, I went to a honey farm. And at a honey farm for years, I started to get colds. When it became summertime, my nose was running, my eyes running, and I couldn't understand why. And at the honey farm, they probably said to you, you probably got hay fever. And they said, if you take honey on a regular basis, it will help prevent the hay fever. But I said, it's got to be local honey. So what I decided to do is to start to add honey to my cornflakes, my tea, my coffee, my cereal. But the thing about they said to have local honey because local honey is better. But when you go to your local shop, honey's like, much more expensive. And when it's more expensive, I thought to myself, I don't think how long I'm going to be doing this for. So I went back to just getting the cheap honey off the shelf. So this is like my breakfast in the morning. So I'd be driving to work. Once I got to work, everyone said, oh, do you want a cup of tea? Do you want a cup of coffee? Yeah, so you can have another cup of tea, Another coffee. And we was at this stage where, because I was working in a pastry section, every morning we'd be cutting cakes because it was a very busy time for us at this time of the year. And all the cakes that we'd have, like a 12 inch cake or a bit longer than 12 inch cake, and we cut all the trimmings off the edges, so every portion had to be the same size. So all the trimmings would go into a little bowl in front of me. So you were just feeding your diabetes with that honey and the trimmings of those cakes? Exactly. I'm a cake. I was a dessert person. Person myself. So the symptoms that you mentioned, the eating of the cake, all the sweet stuff, I was in that. And obviously you're almost drawn to the sweet food with the diabetes, especially if you're working in an environment where that's around you all the time. Because I was in a pastry section. And after getting into morning, have your morning coffee, morning tea, lunchtime, what we do, we'd either have a pasta, we'll have a rice, we'll have another carbohydrate, we'd go out and have chips and something at lunchtime, or we get a free meal. Deal. So with a free meal, do you can have either a curry or pasta or something with a fizzy drink and a chocolate bar or something like that? And this is at lunchtime as well. Very, very sugary items. Yeah. So when you were diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, what happened after that? Were you. Did you. I mean, I know your book is linspiration. Were you treated with medication? What happened after that? Well, what happened after that? When I got to my doctors, the miracle thing that happened to me on that day is that it happened to me in the afternoon when I wasn't feeling well. My eyes were blurred. I just. My body just wasn't saying, what's wrong with you? My body's saying, linden, there's something wrong with you. Something wrong with you. And I just. I broke down that day. I was in the kitchen. There was a chef making all these jokes, and I couldn't laugh. I looked at him and he said, linden, why are you not laughing at my jokes? I looked at him and I just Ran out the kitchen because I thought to myself, you know something, there's something wrong with me and I can't be dealing with this today. So he came into the changing room after me. I was on the floor crying like a baby and he said to me, linda, what's wrong? What's wrong? What's wrong? I said, I've got all these problems with me. I got pumped, pains in my stomach, I had blood in my stool. I got all these things that's happening to me. I just don't feel good like I used to. And he said, maybe you should go to the doctors. And I said, okay, you know, so I'm going to go to the doctors, go and get a blood test, go and get some form of test to see what's wrong with me. You did the right thing. Yeah. So that afternoon I phoned the doctors and miraculously somebody answered the phone. Yeah. And I said, I would like to book an appointment to the doctor. And miraculously they said to me again, coming at 5:30 that same day. My goodness. So that same day when I went to see my doctors, I got into the doctor's office, sat down, told them what was wrong with me. I told them I had pains in my stomach, blood in my stool. They checked my stomach to see if there's any lumps or anything. There's nothing there. So they sent me off to get a scan as well. So when they said okay, after they checked me out in that sense, what I'd done, they said, let's try do a blood test review. So they've done a pinprick blood test with me, which is a blood glucose test. And mine was 15.9, which is listeners out there. 15.9 is very high. In terms of your HBA1C, what did that transpose as? Because your HBA1C, everyone, is your blood average how high your blood has been over three months. So what did that transpose us? That was 92. So that's extremely high. And obviously mine was 116 listeners out there. If you are listening, I should have tried. If I knew you bad, then I would try to catch up with you, definitely. So how, what did you then do about it? Were you given medication? No, I declined medication for the simple fact that I was advised if I ever get diabetes, try and avoid medication because there's certain side effects on it. So I'm thinking to myself, do I take medication or do I just try the natural way? And I said to my dietitian at that time, can I try that medication? And she said, yeah, listen, I don't recommend it, but I'll give you three weeks to try. So I said to myself, okay, I think to myself, how did I get into this position? So it was all because of the sugars. So I decided to cut out sugars. For me personally, this is what I done. I'm not saying I don't recommend it to them, but this is what I done. I cut down on my carbohydrates, my pasta, my rice, potatoes, and that was tough. I started having all the fizzy drinks as well. And within 25 days, I'd reversed my HBA1C from 92 down to 77 without any medication. That is a very good reduction. And listeners out there, just remember, before Lyndon carries on, continues with his interesting story, you have to remember this is his journey. So everything we talk about is the choices that that person has made. So obviously, we always say, can you please go to your doctor in the first instance and you discuss it with a health professional? Okay, so, Lindsay. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So what happened after that? So you got it down to 70. Then how did you continue in the same vein? Yes, I stayed in the same vein. And there's four. To summarize it, there's four things that I put it down to. Mindset, diet, exercise, and fasting. These are the four things that I looked at after a while and how I worked it out. My mindset was, okay, how did I get into this situation? And how. How do I reverse it or how do I cure it? What do I need to do? So I've done a bit of research on how to do what to do, and for me personally, it was just cutting out all the sugary things that I was having. Yeah, the diet was, what do I need to eat? Because there's certain foods that you need to help stabilize the blood sugars. I've done some research on that as well. So with the foods, I started eating flavonoid foods. I found out about flavonoid foods. Flavonoid foods that heals. And nitrogen pancreas. So the pancreas was one of the problems that I had. So I wanted to heal it, to make it. To make it be more efficient and make it work better. So I was doing all my vegetables. I basically became like a vegan at once. I know that people are actually becoming vegan. We're not saying you should become vegan, everyone. We're just saying that we know that people are. And there's people out there who are vegetarian, and it's your Choice, remember? So this is what we're speaking about. Each to their own. And obviously always check to see if you've got any allergies with your gp. Yeah, definitely, yeah. So how did you. Obviously. The flavonoids, I want to talk about those. What are flavonoids? Foods? Flavonoids foods are foods that heals and nourishes the pancreas, like dark chocolates, grapes. They do grapes, grapefruits. Also fresh herbs like thyme, fresh thyme, parsley. There's lots of things out there that they help. So these are things that I was just putting together and eating those on a regular basis. So there's a mindset, the diet, the fasting, the intimate fasting that I was doing as well. Like every morning I took my daughter to school for 8:30, then I go straight to the gym for about three, four hours because I was massively overweight and I really knew that I was overweight when my mother said to me, linden, your belly, I get big. Oh my gosh. I've heard my parents say that with a West Indian accent. Did you hear Lyndon? Yes. It's in that culture where they tell you that you've got big. It's not very nice. But it happens. But it happens. So listen, Linden, look, we're nearly coming to an end. We're going to take a short break, okay? So if listeners out there don't forget, you can Tweet us @WomensRadio stn if you've got any questions and join us back in a few minutes so you can listen to Lyndon. He's going to tell us about his book, the Inspired Diabetic. And he's also telling us about his journey. Just remember what the stats are. We've got Approximately, in the UK, nearly 4 million people with diabetes and approximately 400,000 people walking around with diabetes. 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We are keeping the conversation going about diabetes and we're continuing to fight the war on diabetes And I'd like to welcome back to Women's Radio Station my linspiration, Lyndon Wissart, author of the Inspire Diabetic. So he's going to talk about his book with us today. So your book now you coughed yourself in 105 days without medication. So how did the book come about? This is really important to tell our listeners. The book came about by default. I Wasn't supposed to write the book. And when I was at 77, and my HBA was 77, I dropped it down to 60. And when I went down to 60, some people said to me, that's amazing what you've done. It's a really good thing we've done. So I went to an event where I was learning about writing books, talking, people talking about how to put a book together. And I didn't go there for myself. I went there for somebody else, just as a outside listener, really. And I'm sitting there and I heard some people talking about the writing books just for the fun of it. And after the event, I said to my friend, you know something, maybe I've got a story to tell in what I've done. Because everyone says I've done well in the last two months with what I've done. So he said to me, linden, come back to me in a couple of days. Write down exactly what you've been doing, and let's take it from there. So I did that and I wrote down everything by. In blocks. I didn't write a story. I just wrote blocks, day to day things that was happening. And he said, lyndon, you got a story. And it just happened like that. If he said to me, oh, I don't think you got a story, I would never have written a book. I would have just gone home and just continued living my life, you know. But he said, you got a story there? So I just went back home and I just started to write down every single thing I did. And we just got together with an editor, book editor, and we just started to put it all together. So the construction of the book is down to my editor. She's really good, and she put it all together to me, because I just write in bits and pieces, but they made it into a story, which is exciting. And it's not just a story, because I've read the book and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Not just enjoyed it, I could relate to it. I'm in it. I've been through the same, let's say, thing as you in a different manner. Obviously, there's no one size fits all, so I could feel it. And anybody out there that does have diabetes, be it type 2 or type 1, it's an interesting read. Or anybody, if you're looking to stay healthy, because diabetes is not. It's about being healthy, full stop. It's not just about diabetes. So what are you hoping to achieve with the book? Tell us more about what you plan to do and how you're promoting it. What are you doing? Well, the promotion of the book came around really funny because when I decided to write the book officially, I told one of my friends, Lyndon, I said to him, listen, I'm going to write a book. And he said to me, lyndon, you're going to write a book? I said, yeah, yeah. So next day, my friend rang me back and he goes to me, lyndon, check out this website. So he gave me address, like a link to go to. And it was. I had a website, he'd done a website for the book. He said to me, I said, what you done? He said to me, if you're gonna have a book, you need to have a website to promote it. Of course. And then from there I thought, okay, I got a website, I gotta promote the book. And it just happened like that. So because of my personality, I think I just took it to another level where I just wanted to get everyone to learn more about diabetes. I didn't know about it. So there's like 4 million people, like you said, out there with diabetes. There's another million undiagnosed. And when you're undiagn like me, I was one of that 1 million undiagnosed or didn't know that I had it. So through my book, I'm going to share with people, number one, how to prevent themselves from getting diabetes, what I was doing before I got diabetes. And the book's going to explain to people about the foods, the exercise, the diet, the mindset of what I went through. And for me, there's a history which you're going to learn about in the book from. I had to go back into the 90s, so I may have had diabetes back in the 90s and back in the 80s as well, and back into. Yeah, because I'm looking at the symptoms. The only thing that made me me worry more is when I looked at the actual symptoms. So in my book, I cover all the symptoms that I found anyway that you can look at. So if you've got any of these symptoms, what I'd advise you to do is go and get checked. You go for a blood test and I don't hesitate to tell people, now go and get a blood test. Because at the end of the day, if it's type 2, you can reverse it is a possibility. And it's like on the front cover of my book, it says type 2 diabetes is an opportunity. You know, it's not a life sentence, of course. That's very good advice out there. Listeners. Listen, as we say, it's not one size fits all. Some of the symptoms that have been quoted or have been said about diabetes are things like blurred vision, going to the loo a lot, weeing a lot, extreme thirst, tingling in the feet, something not healing properly. These are all symptoms that I've experienced. Linden, I believe, has it as well, and I do hear people talking about them. So obviously you must go to your GP if you do experience any of these and there is no, obviously no Cure for type 2 diabetes. You can reverse. This is what they're advising. I'm not advising that. The doctors are and the health professionals, so you have to speak to them about it if you want that advice. But it's about healthy eating, it's about exercise and it's also about stress relief as well. I hear about the stress. Lyndon. Yeah. In your life, were you stressed as well in your job? Did that? Do you think so? I think so. Because as a chef, we went morning, noon and night, and you got targets to reach. Everything has to be perfect. For an example, there's one day that I was working and I had to make 250 lemon tarts, individual lemon tarts. I do like lemon tarts, unfortunately, but I'm not eating loads of them. Not anymore. Carry on. But the thing about lemon tards, you can still have some in moderation, of course, you can reward yourself, you know. So, like, at the end of the month, if you achieve certain goals, you can say, okay, I'm going to reward myself. And you can have a little one. You have to have a big one, just a little one, just to get that taste to back, of course, you know. So this is one of the things that I think people should do, reward yourself. And the stressful thing about it, when I made 250 lemon tarts, yeah, I put. I'd done a mixture, I'd done everything right, so I thought. And then when I put it in the oven, you're supposed to cook it at a certain temperature, 120 degrees for like 20 minutes or 30 minutes. And I thought, I looked it in the oven, I thought, nah, it's not done yet. So I left it for another two minutes. And that two minutes, it just. The lemon tart just rose from the tartare, just rose above the tart shelf. And when it does that, that means it's curd. It's going to go like scrambled egg. So I took it out of the oven and it was like, oh, my gosh. I showed the chef, he said, chef, can. Is there anything you can do for it? And he Goes, no, we're not covering it on the job. We're not putting nothing on the top to garnish it. So 250 lemon tarts. Linda, London dust bin now. Did you put those lemon tarts in the bin? Yes. You did? Yeah. Okay. I was so upset. So you didn't, you didn't eat the lemon tarts? I have to ask that question. And we're not joking about it. I'm only asking the question. No, they were edible. But not for presentation. No. Fair enough, not for presentation. Because if you see a lemon tart that's actually split, you can see all the bubbles inside of it and you can see that it's curdled. And if somebody cuts a spoon into on the function and they'll know it's not, not done properly. And if you put it, if you could get away with it. If you sprinkle something on top and you like, sometimes they burn it with caramelized sugar on top. You can get away with it sometimes if you're in a cheap environment. So that was your job, dealing with such like exquisite food, you know, sweet food. Every day. Every day. So you were throwing food out, but eating scraps of sweet food all the time, not even thinking what it could be doing. I mean, we don't listen sometimes think about it, you know, because once you put that one dessert in your mouth and we were making quality desserts, we, we were doing so many different types of brownies. We probably have five, six, six different types of brownies that we're making and every single one of them just tastes so nice. So following on from that, what are your food, give me an example of a day to day, like what you would eat and give me example of how you've done a food swap. Well, like now. Yes, now it's more like salad. And now I'm still in the mood of fasting in the morning. I don't really eat in the morning as I used to. The only days that I normally eat in the mornings when I feel, you know something, I deserve a good breakfast. So I'll have something, I'll have a frap, but I don't have a frap like I used to, the egg, the baking sausage and all that kind of thing. So at one time I stopped eating me. So on the day, my daily breakfast now is I'm working sometimes, so I'm still working in a fast environment. I love like porridge. Yeah. Or I just have fruit. Nine times out of ten, I'm having blueberries in the morning. Blueberries and a banana. I do. And I'm drinking water. And even with my water. Water. And you could probably see now I've got a bottle of water and I've got okra in it. He does have a bottle of water with okra in it. I can confirm that. He's not telling us fibs there, guys. So this is what, this is what I normally. Because through my book I talk about my journey, my, my drinking concoctions of spirulina and my lemon water and my cinnamon water. And it just looks horrible and it. And there's things that you have to do to get your body back into the state that it should be. Right. So on a day to day basis, I'm mostly eating salads. I still eat pasta now. I pasta. I see rice now, I see potatoes now. But everything's in moderation. But I don't have the same thing every day, like on the same plate. Once upon a time I'll have a pasta, a rice. You've the macaroni cheese. Yeah. The rice and peas. Yeah, okay. And roast potatoes all in the same plate. I'm there with you. And I've got to say, West Indian culture, and it could be other cultures is. I know in the West Indian culture it's about food. It was happy, sad or whatever I was feeling. My mom was feeding me. So I was always going down that road. I don't know if you were Lyndon down the same road. And it was always piling your plate high and going back for seconds. Yeah. It's like one of the biggest jokes that we had is like, I'm talking to some of my friends and we said, listen, when we're going to go to a funeral, unfortunately, you know, and you got free food. It's like a buffet. Everyone's like, yeah, fill up the plates, you know, and that's the mentality sometimes. I know, I know. So how can we. What are you planning to do next? Because the show is coming to an end shortly. But what do you plan to do next in terms of the book? So because we want to make sure our listeners know. Well, in terms of the book, the book's still on its journey, creating more awareness on social media around the world. My biggest following at the moment is in America and in the uk. Second, Japan, China, Caribbean. These are diabetes organizations. Took the book in Jamaica at the moment. Well, diabetes is worldwide. Yeah. So it's worldwide. So my goal now is with the book is to get it out to other countries. I'm looking to do more recipes in Another book that I'm planning to do as well. People keep asking me to come and do events for them. I'm doing events, talking events, cooking events, and there's so much more that could be done. And how can people contact you? If they do want to contact you very quickly, they go to my website, the inspireddiabetic.com, my website. There's a page where you can contact me directly. You can email me as well through my website. Everything's from my website, the Inspired Diabetic. And also your book, Lyndon. How can we get hold of that book? I've got it in front of me. It is amazing. How do we get hold of that? Well, there's several ways you can get hold of the book. Number one, you can get on my book from my website, the inspireddiabetic.com, you could also get it from Amazon Libraries. If people are not able to afford the book or they're in situations where they want to just read it, they can get it from the libraries. Also events. I'm doing lots of events at the moment. And yeah, you go onto my website, you see where I'm going to be and just contact me directly and get the books. Through my website you can get a signed book as well. If you send me through an email that you'd like to sign to a specific person, I can do that as well. Fabulous. And I was lucky enough to meet Lyndon at an event and he signed a book for me. So I was quite lucky. 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