Hello, and welcome to Women’s Radio Station. I’m Dr Annette Greenwood, life coach and author. On today’s show, Dr Annette Talks, we dive into the topic of embodying your personal power when you feel most vulnerable with my wonderful guest, Susan Rampson.

Susan was an explorer of spiritual identity with a deep curiosity about how people find fulfillment. From a young age, Susan was fascinated with all things scientific and supernatural, and set out to understand how the seemingly opposite perspectives could possibly exist. After more than 40 years of investigating possibilities and a long career creating and supporting high-tech businesses, Susan offers grounded holistic mentoring and training to help sole curious seekers step out of the box to overcome obstacles in their personal and professional lives.

Welcome, Susan. Thank you for joining me so early. I know there’s a time difference of a few hours over there in America.

How are you this morning? I am doing just great, and thank you so much for having me on the show. Oh, it’s my pleasure. And I’m excited, I’m fascinated, I’m curious to find out about all the things that you’re talking about today.

So, where would you like to start? Where did your journey begin? Okay, well, let’s see. Ever since I was a child, a small child, I would wonder, I guess all kids do this, they’re just very curious about things. But I would always wonder about just different things that I would see or feel or that would happen to me that were more on the spectrum of like the supernatural.

So, you know, being able to put my awareness in other places or being able to see or sense maybe other beings. And at the same time, I was also interested in like complete what you think would be the complete opposite of that. And that would be science and nature.

I had a rock collection, I was always like loving all my science classes at school. And I kept really, really curious about like, how can these two things both be coexisting at the same time? And why isn’t anybody else curious about these other things? Are, you know, are they not sensing or seeing these things or like in back, way back in the day, you know, it used to be like, oh, is that a ghost? Or what is that? Or, you know, why are the lights going on and off by themselves? Things like that. And so I will just say that it sort of was the basis of my curiosity about just a lot of things.

And I wanted to get right to the point of really understanding what is happening here. And I really wanted to explain it with science. And I think all these years later, it feels like I finally understand what’s going on.

So that’s how it all started. And what that led me to was, you know, a kind of a healthy skepticism when people would want to tell me, you can do that, you can’t do that, you must do this, you must do that. And sort of like, put their definition of how I should be on onto me.

And I see that happening to so many people. And I just want them to feel comfortable being themselves and standing in the center of their power so that they can be themselves and that they can trust that they’re wonderful. And that’s a great place to come from in the world.

So that’s really what I’m here to do to help people get to that point. And I think for myself and anybody listening to this who doesn’t have an understanding or had any of these experiences, as a young woman, it could be for somebody not as interested or not as open as you. That could be really frightening, couldn’t it? Because you’re talking about, you know, supernatural and things like that, that people might find really, really frightening.

But for you, you’re embracing this and your curiosity and your fascination is actually leading you into a career that you probably never even realized was happening. So can you share with me a bit more about those experiences, you know, those supernatural experiences that others may find, oh, yeah, this is this is scary, but it’s exciting, but it’s a bit weird as well. Sure.

Yeah. And and the thing is that once you understand the reasons that things might be happening, then there’s no reason to be afraid. But here’s here’s something that I would love everybody to experience.

And it’s not scary at all. And that is we think of ourselves as, you know, like just our our physical bodies and maybe, you know, our thoughts and emotions. But we also have this wonderful, wonderful energy body that is some people call it your life force or, you know, the the thing that animates you.

But you can actually feel it and you can actually see it. And and you don’t have to have any special powers to do that. It’s it’s something that anybody can do.

And some people talk about seeing auras that that takes some practice, but anybody can do that. But but the easiest way to experience this, you know, this energy body that we all have and we all use, by the way, I’ll talk about that in a second. But the easiest way is to to like move around.

You can do some jumping jacks or you can let’s see, you know, just run in place or just move around to get to get your your energy moving. And then then you can like do the clap your hands together and rub them together. And because you have these energy, I’ll call them like vortexes in your in the palms of your hand and then slowly bring your palms parallel out and back very slowly.

Like you’re like you’re making a giant snowball. And once you do this a couple of times, it really helps to like get like get your blood moving before you start doing this. You’ll start to notice a very subtle resistance between your palms sort of like it feels like when you have two magnets and you’re trying to push them together and you know how they slightly they’ll they’ll resist each other.

It feels like a little bouncy or, you know, like there’s some resistance in between that. You can actually feel that and that is your your energy body, your energy body that’s like in the palms of your hands doing some very similar thing with the resistance. And that energy is something that we use every day in our lives and you might it’s not exactly the same as intuition.

It’s more of like, you know, like when you walk into a room and you can immediately kind of sense what’s going on in there or you might meet somebody and you have like an initial reaction to them because you’re actually reading their energy. And it’s something that we we all do and we don’t even think about it. But that’s actually what’s happening or we’re reading each other’s energy and that’s just a natural just a natural skill that we all have and that we use but we just don’t know that we’re using it.

So similarly then that’s similar to going we look in view in a new house. Yes, going for a job and you might walk into the house and you go wow no this just it’s just a clear no you know it’s not the house for you or you go for an interview and the interview it might go well but you’ve just got this kind of I know you said it wasn’t about intuition so I’m just trying to understand that better but you’ve got this kind of feeling. So what you’re saying is the energy body is expressing itself by going no this is not the right job for you or this is not the right house for you.

And I don’t know if I’m on the right track with that there Sylvia but it sounds like the energy the energy body is something that we can tap into every day in our life to help us is that does help make decisions does it help with health and well-being what kind of things would for people who don’t understand about the energy or anything to do with the energy like Qigong and Taiji how it would be able to help them. Yes so the two examples you gave of one about the job and one about the house they’re actually the one about the job you are using your intuition and the one about the house you’re using you’re reading the energy in the house so let me let me explain about those two. So there was a time and I still do it occasionally for people who ask me when people are having trouble selling their house it quite often is that say they do everything right they have the house staged it’s beautiful it’s priced right but they just can’t get a buyer or the buyers keep falling through sometimes it’s because there’s an energy in the house and normally it’s the energy of you know a being that’s in the house that they can pick up on and you know just like dust energy collects in the corners of a room and sometimes there are actually other beings in the house that’s energetic beings they’re not they’re not harmful or anything they’re not they’re not there to hurt anybody they’re just they’re just that’s just where they are and people can pick up on that so I go into the houses and I actually clear them and I do that with um some people will do it with like sage it’s a way to clear the energy and purify it and I do it with um crystal um singing balls because they they also accomplish the same thing without leaving a smell in the house and you know they’re trying to sell the house I don’t want to burn anything in there but um but occasionally I’ll come across like an actual being that is in the house and and then through telepathy you know just ask them to move on or say it’s safe to move on and I’ve done this a couple of times and um and then the houses will sell so it’s just interesting that we can sort of pick up on that without knowing what it is and then when we clear it out you know people are more feel more welcome in that home and then then they’ll go ahead and um make an offer on it and I know it sounds crazy but it but it actually does happen and um about the job the job offer you’re going in on an you know for an interview and you just feel you know no this is not the job for me and there could be a couple of reasons why that’s happening it could be that your critical mind is listening you know you’re listening you’re hearing what the interviewer is telling you about the job or you know you’re making some decisions from your you know your regular critical thinking um and your logic and you’re saying well like yes I know myself I’m not going to be happy in this in this situation but if everything sounds good and it still feels like no this is not for me um I I really encourage people to go with their gut as it as they say because your intuition that’s what that is that’s telling you that and your intuition is such a wonderful valid source of information that we have been taught to kind of ignore or it’s not it’s not as good as your critical thinking but it’s actually better than your critical thinking and the reason for that is that it’s um it doesn’t have any biases it doesn’t have any lack of knowledge um it kind of just knows and um you know when we go through our mind we’re we’re filtering through all our biases and things we’ve learned and um you know we we don’t have usually have like the complete picture of every fact that we need to make that decision but your intuition sort of bypasses all that and it tells you immediately immediately you know what you should do I I have some different ways that I take people through making decisions um and you know of course people have to do what they feel comfortable doing but if they also add to their uh list of criteria or list of of actions that they go through when they make a decision this other way of getting information to make that decision through your intuition um I think I think they get validated a lot in the way that they’re feeling but they can’t um they can’t get validated through just their critical thinking and their logic like it’s it’s like I know I should love this job but why why don’t I and um you’ll never get that answer through your critical mind it’s going to come from your intuition and then it should be okay just like no it’s okay for me to feel this way and because it is a feeling and um it’s okay for me to feel this way and and act on my intuition like who do you have to prove it to except for yourself yeah that’s true I guess then so you would be showing somebody or helping somebody as part of what you do to be able to make a clearer decision about their life whether it be through work or relationship or or something else and I’m interested about where you’re saying about the intuition you and the and the critical thinking and I’ll use myself as the example because there’s only us two here talking about this but I’m certainly somebody who goes with my intuition but I think things through as well from I guess like you say in the logical side of it is this can I afford this how much for how far do I have to travel you know those kind of things that put all the practical things in are you saying then then um Susan that if we go into thinking too much about it we end up going around in a circle and maybe talking ourselves out or something because we are filtering through biases so is it better to kind of look at the logical and the practical side of it is it too far to travel is the you know is the salary going to be enough that kind of thing and then go into the intuition through meditation or some other forms or the ways that you describe to help us get a clearer picture yeah because everything can be perfectly lined up it could logically be sound like the most wonderful thing to do but you may you will know whether or not it is the right thing to do at the time that you’re making that decision because there’s the time factor as well so something might be good it might be a yes later but not a yes now for example um and and the thing is that we’re just afraid of using our intuition to make decisions most of the time we’re just been taught that’s not a good enough source of information and I think we just have to get past that fear of relying on it for decision making yes you you definitely also need the critical thinking I’m not saying to discount that but what I’m really saying is don’t discount your intuition because it is going to tell you and it’s going to tell you immediately it’s like not anything that you have to meditate on for like you know hours or or anything like that you get into a a state where you’re listening to your intuition and then it will tell you immediately what to do and there’s different tools that you can use like in your imagination to help help you um kind of read what your intuition is is saying to you if you if you can’t just feel it um there are different things there’s some techniques I teach people about like you know what they can emit like put their into their imagination and then see what happens and then that will give them the answer but um the only way to really um be comfortable doing this over time it is to practice it and try it and then look at the results and see what kind of results you get um yeah so you you know if you’ve never done it before you’re probably not going to make this giant big decision the first time you you know you’re using it but if you use it in small ways every day in your life then you’ll start to be comfortable that it is a reliable source of information for you so would you say from your experience and what you teach are the people that it comes as a kind of because you’re saying it’s instant aren’t you yeah so using the the job example it might even be a relationship or something you make somebody for the first time would you say that you feel that as a knowing a certain it’s not it’s not coming to as a loud voice in your head is it it’s coming as a is it like a silent whisper is it coming as a feeling I know from my own personal experience I’ll just have a feel like a gut feel but I’m always careful not to um because you can cloud that as well you can cloud it as well still and if you start overthinking things rather than trusting what you’re feeling right with your emotions can can cloud things sometimes for every person it’s different some people do hear a voice that says yes or no um some people will see it like um sometimes I will have a person imagine a like a a gauge you know like um like your car you know empty and full or you know that kind of a gauge um and say what you know where is the needle pointing um that’s just a way to get them out of their feelings and just like instantly the needle will point one side or the other um another way that has been used you know over hundreds of years is to imagine like a flower like a rose and put a rose up for yes I should take the job put another rose up on the other side I should not take a job or or even just use one and then you could see look at what the what the rose looks like to you it’s a way of bypassing your your um your logical mind and your emotions like oh is this rose beautiful is it you know is or is it like starting to die is it beginning to open like what does it look like and that is another way like if you’re a visual person you can you can use your intuition by looking at that rose that you’re imagining it’s giving you a message and um it’s just a very easy way to to kind of get an idea of what you should do if you can’t feel it so for me I’m very much um feeling person like I can it’s there’s a knowing that you just just know something and you don’t know how you know it uh that happens with me quite often but if if I feel like I’m emotionally um blocked because it’s because you know maybe it’s about somebody close to me or you know maybe it’s like something I really want and I’m feeling like I shouldn’t do it um the rose is usually kind of what I do to see well what’s the quality of this rose and what is it trying to tell me about what I should do so those are just a couple of ways um that you can use your intuition and like I said I know it sounds crazy but it actually is a very very reliable source of information and that’s something uh I think you and I’ve spoken about as well and that it’s quite accurate isn’t it and I guess for somebody who’s not that good at um visual or imagination you can still do it you can still do it by just closing your eyes and that image will appear or you could perhaps just talk it through would it work the same way or is it better to have to be able to visualize it and just see that rose as it exactly as it is yeah you can um you can practice like for example um if you if you can’t if you have trouble visualizing here’s another thing you can do you can just like breathe you know breathe kind of um deeply just for a few breaths just to like kind of get into a calm state and then um and then say say something that is absolutely not true like my name is mickey mouse and then just notice how you feel when you say that and then say something that is true and notice how you feel when you say that and if you can remember then those two feelings now put your question up and say give your answer and then notice how you feel um using sort of like that first test as sort of like a baseline for you to kind of understand what it feels like when something isn’t right and how you feel what you feel like when something is right and then you can use that method as well um if you know if you’re having trouble visualizing just to see how it feels just go by by your feeling and it’s not if someone’s got a big decision to make um a life-changing decision whether it be moving to another country or you know getting married or something that people consider to be big it doesn’t have to be instant does it Susan it can be you might be considering it over a period of a few days or a few weeks or something like that is there do you think a point where you go right okay you’ve deliberated about this long enough you’ve got to really tap into this and work with it or do you say there is no set time and it’ll come to you as and when the answers are ready to come yeah i think um i think what happens is we we do get the answer immediately but we don’t sometimes like the answer so um we kind of agonize it agonize over it for a long period of time um one of the things that is really great to do is um to it’s something that um i’ve heard it called the future frenzy for example and what it is is you you have some kind of decision you want to make or some kind of thing that you want to manifest in your life i don’t really like that word manifest too much because it sounds um i don’t know i think it turns people off sometimes but some some situation you would like in your life and um what happens is that we we kind of have blinders on because we we imagine you know having this situation this wonderful situation in our life and but we put conditions on it without even knowing that we’re doing that so when we’re imagining say say the perfect a partner or the perfect job or oh we would like to get you know a certain amount of money or you know something like that those are three examples i hear a lot um we we we automatically put constraints on how that happens like how we expect that to happen and that’s what i mean by sometimes you know our our logical thinking kind of constrains us in a way because we can only see it happening in those ways that we expect it to happen there’s a a really neat technique that we call the future frenzy and what that is is you you kind of think about all the all the qualities of the situation that you want and then all the emotions the positive emotions that you’ll feel when you when you actually have that situation in your life happen and um and i’m talking about like oh maybe it’s it’s like joy or maybe it’s excitement or um gratitude or whatever and you you actually feel them as if it already happened and there there are um there are ways that this happens with quantum physics which which is kind of like a big topic to go into and on this call so i won’t but um it sort of draws the situation into your life when you when you take this approach of of um feeling it as if it already happened and then um and then you just you just do that you can do it just for a few minutes every day and then you will be shocked at um how things actually do come into your life it’s it’s often ways that you’d never expect them to and if you do it this way then you leave all the possibilities open of how you can have the situation in your life and um and then therefore you have much better chance of it happening uh the way you like that you know the thing that you’d like to happen and it’s anything and anybody can try this anytime they want um do it every day until you have the thing that you want you’ll be also be surprised at how fast this might happen for you um i just be a fun thing to try if you uh if you’re interested in doing that so you could be um writing this out on a on a sheet of paper or on your computer or something like that and repeating it every morning that’d be the best time of day repeating it on the afternoon or evening or whichever before going into bed and so you are honing in on those feelings aren’t you whether they be as you say joy excitement passion purpose all those things that you want to feel and that so you talk about the quantum physics i know you’re saying we haven’t got time on this call but i’m sure we could probably talk for another three hours at least on quantum physics because you always fascinate me when you’re talking about that thing but could you touch briefly on how quantum because the two two elements of it for me how you’re talking is there’s the like spiritual side and there’s the bit where you’re using your mind and your intuition but then the quantum physics how on earth does that fit in with something like a future frenzy for some people listening to this they might be going okay future frenzy so all i’ve got to do then is get a sheet of paper and write stuff out and then all of a sudden everything’s going to happen a bit like in the secret there were so many misnomers about the secret wasn’t it because at the end of it you did have to take some action yourself is this a similar thing so i guess i’m asking you two questions there are i’m asking you quantum physics and about action taking yourself yeah there’s um let’s answer the first one um very broadly uh there is there’s something that happens with um i’ll just say i’m trying to use words that most people will kind of understand like you magnetize the situation to yourself or yourself to the situation at the subatomic level um and like i said it would be so much better to to go over it just in with a lot more time um but there are there are quite a few people that do a really good job at this one of them is um dr joe dispensa another person is bruce lipden um so you know they they probably already even you know have some videos or whatever that can explain that better than i can right now in these few minutes but um so that there is electromagnetic things happening and um like remember when i i was talking about our energy um when you could feel it like um bumping our two hands the energy coming out our two hands sort of bumping into each other and you could feel that resistance so there’s resistance and there’s you know flow and all of that um at that level and this was this was like one of those things that um i really need i really wanted to understand how it all worked um my whole life and then when i started studying physics and i started understanding a little bit more about how situations can come into being um and be explained by science and then the other thing um trying to think the second thing you mentioned about the secret believe it or not i’ve never read the book or seen the movie um but i i think i know what it’s about and um so you have to be open to the way things can happen and and just like in real life say you’re say you’re looking for a person and you’re in a crowd and you’re only looking in you know one part of the crowd and the person’s on the other side like that’s sort of what i’m talking about when you can’t put these constraints on the situation it it will cause you to not have to not have the um the thing that you want if you just um are open to it and um accept the way that it may come to you any way that it may come to you then you’re much more likely to have that happen i’ve used this technique to get jobs um to just have like meet people um yeah i mean it definitely works um dr jespenza has in his book becoming supernatural he has some really interesting examples in that uh book about how this has happened for people when he’s taught them how to do that but um i you know it’s just something that people can try and find out for yourself i think this is like the message that i want people to get we have so much of our own power we we can try any of these things and find out for ourselves and trust our own judgment um yes it’s it’s great to get advice from other people i’m not saying not to do that because sometimes we we’re not thinking about all this all the ways that we can think about something but um i think what also happens is people don’t trust their own knowledge their own power their own ability um to make decisions for their themselves their own wisdom and they only look externally for their answers or tell them somebody just tell me what to do for example when they have all this wisdom of their own that is that is really you know very powerful and and what they should be listening to because who knows you better than you absolutely and again that’s around um been frightened to trust our own innate abilities and one of the things you said there quite rightly so is about we seek we seek from other people and sometimes we do that for validation don’t don’t we to make sure we’re making the right decision when actually we know um and you and i both know in the world of coaching it’s brilliant to have a coach they can help you move forward so fast in so many different ways but ultimately the the decision still has to lie with you and i think there’s something around personal responsibility and people being faithful to make those decisions and wanting to pop it onto somebody else and when it doesn’t work out they can blame somebody else rather than take it themselves and it it kind of leads me to ask there’s two more questions i’ve got to ask because i know you um you’ve been supporting high tech businesses and you you’re also offering holistic mentoring yourself and that’s to help people step out of the box to overcome obstacles so in your working career the particular high tech businesses do you can you use this kind of um what you’re sharing with us now can you use that within that or is that just a case of it’s a black and white job you’re not able to bring all these things in to help the company the organization or the people there or are you able to bring that in or is this something that you have to keep separate so the other side of it is you’re you know you’re mentoring and training sole curious seekers do you have to keep the two separate susan do they gel in together how does that work if there was anybody who had a business who wanted to contact you or anything like that yeah yeah no um you don’t have to keep them separate wherever there’s people it it works great because you know even in a business where we’re making decisions like i’m i’m a software product management consultant where we’re making decisions every day about should we build this should we build that what’s the what’s going to be the the best impact for a customer when should we do it all of those questions and um but there’s also questions like you know about um is this person right for the job or you know is this job right for me or like those are all kind of professional aspects of it as well you know people in hr have to uh make those decisions all the time and managers when they’re hiring people excuse me one second it’s okay okay okay okay so it’s the same thing like you can read a situation intuitively um in in business and some of those examples i just gave say for example about you know prioritization there’s actually so many ways you can prioritize a list of things for different reasons and then you you have to kind of i’d say make a call on which way should you do it should you do it because um oh if i prioritize in you know in one way then that will bring money into the business faster or if i prioritize in a different way um will that um cause us to have less risk when we are going to actually build this software for example if i prioritize in a third way um will that will that have any ripple effect on other things that we’re doing and they’re all things that we have to consider and then we just sometimes it’s hard to make a decision and you just have to make a call but usually in every single case you can you can also get that intuitive um thing that you should do and it becomes um it becomes second nature but you just have to you have to keep reminding yourself like okay i’m gonna go i’m gonna i’m gonna look at this from like five different directions and then i’m gonna look inside and see what the right direction is to do and sometimes it’s it’s crazy like sometimes it doesn’t make any sense logically um and usually uh entrepreneurs will know a lot about this um because they often you know they’ll be told like oh don’t do this they do this other thing first but they know sort of intuitively that because they’re they’re quite in touch with their intuition i think entrepreneurs um they’ll be like yeah i know you know that’s what it seems like but it feels like i really need to do this thing right now on the other hand entrepreneurs can be so excited about what they’re doing that sometimes they um they do um they do let their emotions uh get in the way so i’m not saying that you just totally discount one way of deciding over another but what i’m trying to get people to do is is understand there’s just this other um intuitive way to look at something that will really help them round out their decision criteria and uh you know and and then as they practice more and more they’ll they’ll they’ll have an easier time in trusting that and again again this is such a fascinating topic because um i’ve heard in many cases businesses i know um quite a very successful personal development guy over there in the states and he i remember him saying to me that he has um a mastermind group of people in his business who helps him to make decisions and i said to him well what happens if you think differently to them i mean he’s paying these people a lot of money to be on his team and to work in his company and he said i will always always listen to what they have to say and it might be at the end of the conversation i’m tuning into my own intuition and i will completely disagree with all of them and i thought wow that that’s pretty amazing that to have this i don’t know six or seven people in a room and then come back to your own intuition as a businessman so highly successful and trusting your own intuition rather than the people that you’re paying all around the table so it’s a kind of it’s a similar thing that you’re talking about isn’t it where you use it you’re not just using one part of something to make a decision right and for all those people they come with their specialties and their specialties are the filter that they see the world through and so he’s paying them for having that diversity of of specialties and and that that perspective that he might not have but what what is wonderful about him is that he he understands his own power his own wisdom and and yes he’s taking everything into consideration and then he goes to back to his own wisdom and says okay now has anything changed here about like what i what i feel i should do and you said he’s very successful um it sounds like you know it he’s just treating it as a valid source of information which is wonderful yeah yeah um there was something that you said before about people when we were talking about people getting their um advice from or you know looking externally to um to decide what to do and then they blame blame those external sources when things don’t go right i just i would love for people to really um feel and understand what that puts them in this position of never being in control of of their own decisions or their own life when you’re constantly looking outside uh outside of yourself to be told what to do um then you have no control over over how it goes and it’s it’s kind of um makes you fear feel powerless at some level um yes you can you know you can blame other people for giving you bad advice but you don’t have to take it you don’t have to take that bad advice and um it’s even if you’re scared that you’re making the wrong decision um making it for yourself is is just so much more powerful because if things are going wrong you can always change your mind you know or you can take taking action basically um you talked about that as well yes you definitely have to take action on on the wisdom that you get um whether whether it’s from outside or from inside but um i often will ask for advice from people who they’re seeing again they’re seeing the world through their filters and um they they may be telling me to do something that i just know in my my heart that’s how we say it sometimes so we’re talking about our intuition we know in our heart that’s not going to be right for us now if i go and do what they say i’ve given my power to somebody else and if i instead will do what i feel like i should do i’ve kept my power and i’m completely responsible either way by the way for my own success or failure whether the information comes you know the advice comes from without or from within um but i think just we we underestimate our our own wisdom and we underestimate um we overestimate um other people’s ability to give us wisdom they don’t they don’t know us as well as like they’re looking at us through their own their filters so they actually don’t know the real us because they’re always looking through a filter just like we are so i don’t know if that makes any sense but yes you know like you can you can validate your you can validate your own decisions that way but at the end of the day you’re the one that’s going to make it and you’re the one that’s going to take action and you’re the one that’s going to have the the consequences whether positive or negative so don’t discount your own wisdom it’s it’s so powerful it’s so awesome and that there you just hit the nail on the head about the consequences haven’t you about the fear of consequences of making the decision yourself whether it be positive or negative and without one we can’t have the other not everything in life is straightforward is it we don’t always have positive experiences we have negative experiences which we can draw on and turn into a positive experience it’s up to us whether we sit and play the victim when something you know negative has happened to us or we can stand up and look at it in a different way in a different perspective if you’ve been made redundant for example you may well think that is the worst thing in the world and why was it why did it happen to me and you make yourself into this poor me victim who sits there you know moaning and groaning when actually it might be the best thing that’s ever happened and you’re actually talking about when you’re handing your power over to somebody else you’re disempowering yourself you’re not empowering yourself at all and i guess that that’s part of the topic what you’re saying embodying your personal power when you feel most vulnerable is is exactly what you’ve just said there isn’t it susan and what you just mentioned is such it’s such a good a good thing to talk about for a second um we are very short term oriented sometimes in the way we perceive the world and the things that happen in our lives so for example you know you said oh an example of just you’ve just become redundant you’ve been made redundant and you’re you’re getting in the united states we say you know you got laid off from your job and i have seen this happen so many times it’s happened you know have i been laid off i’m trying to remember um but but even so it’s happened so many times and uh to just to almost everybody you know like some something that you want or something that you were enjoying now all of a sudden isn’t there but what that what that does is it makes an opportunity for something even better to come into your life something even better um then people do not realize that they only can see that in hindsight so so many people that i know that that’s exact thing has happened oh i lost my job or you know i i was asked to leave or whatever and then some other amazing opportunity comes in and there’s so much more happier in this new opportunity but at the time that was happening it was like the world was ending and you know you go through all these emotions but if you think of it as oh the road now i just have an open road to the next wonderful thing that’s going to be part of my life um and then when you get there you can look back i’m like oh i’m so glad that i lost my job back you know a year ago or whatever because if i didn’t i wouldn’t have this wonderful job now or i wouldn’t have met this wonderful person in this new situation that i’m in or i wouldn’t have had an opportunity to learn something that i you know that i never even knew i would love you know it’s just that that same thing that i said that i was talking about before where how we we want things to happen is is sort of constrained by our biases um if you if you look back on your life and you think about um if you draw a timeline and you look at some significant events in your life and you can say well when this happened it changed the trajectory of your life um and uh you know you can see that when those points happen in your life you know it over time looking back you can see how you got from a to where you are now um and and that you wouldn’t have gotten here if those things didn’t happen so um another roundabout way of saying uh change can can be very good if you allow it to be and if you think about it as opportunity and not disaster and don’t resist the change when it’s happening um and you know you’re saying about stepping out of the box to overcome obstacles i guess the same thing can happen if you’re in um using jobs or relationships because they’re the most the biggest things in people’s lives aren’t they so if you’re already in a job um and you’re happy in that job let’s just use that as an example but actually you know there’s something more that you have to give people can think well i shouldn’t believe in that if i’m happy because you know i’m in a place where i’ve got a good job it’s flexible um i’ve got lots of good team buddies that kind of thing but i know there’s something else that i should be doing and i can make a huge success of it does the same thing apply then because people feel guilty because they’re actually making a decision to move out to something that they feel happy in because you know you’ll often get their friends and family saying well why why are you doing that why are you leaving you know you’re in a good job you’ve got great conditions and now you’re talking about leaving and doing something else would you what would you say to people who were in that situation so did you hear the fear in their question right well if you you’re in a safe place now what are you crazy you’re going to leave this safe place and go out into the unknown where you don’t know you know you don’t know uh if you’re going to be able to you know make the money you need to pay your bills or in this example for example um but what they don’t consider is well it could be even so so much more bet you know so much better than than the situation you’re in now and there is something else about this that i haven’t talked about yet and that is when we are doing something or living away in a way that isn’t in alignment with our true our true selves our true loves our true you know just our true nature um like you said you’re in a great job but you really yearn to be doing something else over time that i believe that this causes enough stress low-level stress maybe that you can become sick by not really lining up aligning with your true purpose say for example and it might take a long time to happen but i think that is one of the reasons why people get chronic illnesses that they develop over time because they’re a lot you know they’re just not they’re just not they’re kind of um what’s the word settling um right settling for safety and hey look i’m i’m not saying that this is easy to do by the way fearful of the unknown and you know um i think that it just takes some getting used to uh before you do something like make a make a change like that getting used to that whole idea and and trusting that um it it can be better and so much better um and sometimes it takes a little while for it to happen and you have to you know in the case of a job you might have to hustle for a while to to get to the point where you’re comfortable again but comfortable doing what’s in alignment with what you are meant to do and you’re so right about the alignment side of things and about purposeful and your purpose in life and your passion and what feels right and sometimes a job is just a vehicle to move you on to the next thing isn’t it and as you say they’re about the fear the fear and the fear is not always about the person who’s seeking to move on the fear is about other family members or friends who actually are fearful of themselves it’s a bit of a reflection isn’t it they’re fearful of themselves are actually making a change and they don’t want that person to make the change because it kind of highlights potentially what’s not right in their life and how they could be making the change but they’re just too afraid to do it and i guess i know you’ve given us so many so many tips today um and i was going to ask what short tips or advice would you offer to anyone wanting to know more about what you do um and how you can become talented okay yes um well uh you can go to my website it’s soul dash curious dot com because everything um that we do there is like coming from um a place of curiosity and wonder and open-mindedness just to try to find uh different ways of getting two wonderful places and um you’ll find a just a fun quiz there where you can you can answer some questions and find out for yourself uh maybe why you might be blocked in whatever situation like you might think of a situation where you’re blocked and you can’t move forward and um everybody’s different and has different reasons why that happens so this little quiz would be a fun way to learn a little more about yourself and maybe what you could do to um to get unstuck and um i you know if you want to work together to uh for coaching or mentoring or i’ll have some courses on there that you could self-study or workshops those are all things that i do so um mostly my my biggest you know um heartfelt contribution that i want to make is just for people to understand how much wisdom they have and and how to use your own wisdom and and i just kind of help guide you along in that way because you shouldn’t be you know i’m not going to tell you what to do uh but i want you to feel comfortable in um in learning what’s best for you and how to how to move forward on your own wisdom and how different ways to even learn what that wisdom is and do you because obviously you’re in the state so do you offer that by um you know zoom skype oh yeah yeah yeah we’ll zoom usually um or we can talk on phone or we can uh i guess we could use what’s up um i’ve i’ve done that before skype all of those ways um the everything we’ve talked about today i mean we could just talk for hours on this it feels to me so spiritual it feels practical it feels enlightening it almost feels like we’re touching on on psychic things as well and the intuition or everything we’ve spoken about today all these examples work whether it be relationship health transition times and i think the transition time is the thing that we’re most touching on isn’t it today about people being in one place and wanting to be in another um we’ve still got some time left if you if you’re happy to talk about how it helps in in transition times because that those are the most difficult periods out there for somebody whether i don’t know it could have been a bereavement it could have been somebody’s moved area and it’s all gone wrong yeah those are the like the most common ones you there’s been a loss of some sort so there’s bereavement another is your you may need to move someplace um and that’s a big change to do and wondering whether or not you should move another is changing relationships um you know you’re not in the right relationship but you’re afraid to be alone or afraid again it’s a fear of of change which is like very common everybody has those fears it’s not like bad to have them it’s just that’s normal it’s human certainly jobs uh changing jobs even trying to figure out what you should do for your you know your career if you’re just you know coming into the workforce these are all um oh empty nesters when you know what do you do when you know people who’ve had kids you know now you’re you know your kids are gone it’s almost like redefining your identity in all these different situations because of the change and um so so the way you do that is i mean first of all like be patient with yourselves and understand that you know they’re these times are it’s it’s okay to be fearful it’s okay to be sad it’s not like you should not have those emotions no matter what the situation is but it’s it’s you know different techniques to help shift the energy of those feelings to make it easier to make it move move through it faster these are the we have there are techniques we can do together to help that move along and to make to make it more comfortable to live with the change that’s happened in your life or that you’re about to make and then there’s other things that we can do for clarity to get more clarity about decisions certain techniques that help us get unstuck from usually its analysis paralysis or overwhelm for example there’s just like different things that we can do in different situations to help move forward and that’s that’s uh i’m just here to guide you and help you move through it on your own and to support you and encourage you along the way and isn’t the um the clarity think that is it as a life coach myself and and what you do in in your career and your mentoring and everything else the clarity is key isn’t it because without that you do stay stuck because you don’t see the way forward and it’s sometimes about being clear about what you want to see and happen in your own life and the changes that you want to make no matter how scary or how big they are you don’t have to move them out in one day you can just break these things down into small chunks but you do need the clarity first and foremost would you say yes and it is nice to know that you’re not alone in doing it you know like as coaches we don’t we don’t do that for people but we’re here alongside them as they go through and and make those changes for themselves and you know you can have clarity but still be afraid to act on it so um you know it’s it’s it’s tough to make those changes and and that’s why it’s always nice not to have to be alone while you’re doing it well do you know susan we could go on forever but we’re nearly at the end of this show for today so it just leaves me to say thank you so much um to susan ramson for sharing her wisdom and knowledge and so much expertise about a subject that many of us probably know nothing about i’m so grateful to for you sharing all this information with us i do hope that this has been insightful for those people who’ve never heard of anything like this 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