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Future Classic Women Awards – Angela Slaiter With Illuminate Music

Future Classic Womens Awards·36:00·7 Oct 2019·

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Join host Stefania Passamonte as she speaks with Angela Slater and Sarah Westwood from Illuminate Women Music, a groundbreaking platform dedicated to championing female composers and performers in classical music. Founded in 2017, Illuminate has expanded from UK-based concerts to international performances, including recent tours to Boston and Hartford, Connecticut. In this enlightening episode, Angela and Sarah discuss how they discovered their passion for composition, the challenges of being women in a male-dominated field, and the vision behind creating a festival that shines a light on women’s musical legacy both past and present.

The conversation delves into Angela’s compositional process and her piece “Shades of Rain,” which draws inspiration from nature and features two movements happening simultaneously—a energetic cloudburst followed by the quiet, suspended sound world of petrichor. Listeners will hear a live performance from the Hartford Women Composers Festival, recorded by the Prism Trio. Angela and Sarah also explore how they’ve built their network of female composers over the years, the positive audience reception to both contemporary and historical works, and their aspirations to continue establishing Illuminate as an essential platform for women in classical music.

Main Topics

  • Illuminate Women Music was founded in 2017 by Angela Slater to shine a light on women composers and performers, expanding from UK tours to international performances in America
  • Both Angela and Sarah discovered composition through different paths—Angela through experimenting on piano and later formal training, Sarah through improvisation during her piano studies at Trinity Laban
  • The Illuminate Women Music Festival features both contemporary compositions and historical works by women composers, making classical music accessible to diverse audiences across various UK venues
  • Angela's composition 'Shades of Rain' uses natural concepts as inspiration, with two movements (Cloudburst and Petrichor) occurring simultaneously rather than sequentially
  • Women composers remain underrepresented in classical music training, with both Angela and Sarah often being the only women in their composition courses
  • The festival has grown from a single season to multiple seasons, with Season One featuring the Ethel Smyth Piano Trio and Season Two still ongoing, attracting increasing interest from composers wanting to participate
  • Composition and architecture share similar design principles, requiring strong foundations and structural integrity for the piece or building to succeed

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Full TranscriptHello and welcome to Future Classic Women Awards with me, Stefania Passamonte on women's radio station, the program wher...
Hello and welcome to Future Classic Women Awards with me, Stefania Passamonte on women's radio station, the program where we search for the most amazing new female artists on the classical panorama. Today on Future Classic Women Awards, we will be talking to Angela Slater and Sarah Westwood from Illuminate Women Music. Good morning. Morning. Let's talk straight away about Illuminate Music. I mean, you're both composers. Yes, that's right. So we're gonna listen some of your pieces today, some of your compositions, and they've been premiered at the Illuminate Women Music Festival that just finished, am I right? Well, season one has finished. Season two is still ongoing at the moment. Yeah. Fantastic. So how that project was born, why Illuminate? Well, I've chosen the name Illuminate because I literally want to shine a light on the work of women composers and performers. It was a project I set up in 2017, and we had our first set of concerts that toured around the UK in 2018. But this year we decided to try and expand it a bit and actually have two seasons. So season one, which is the one that has just finished, was actually a really exciting project because we actually took the first half of it out to America and the. In Boston. Am I right? In Boston? That's right. And also Hartford, Connecticut. We went to the Women Composers Festival there as well. So we had a different set of performers out there called the Prism Trio. And then when it came back to the UK this season one, in August and September, we had the Ethel Smyth Piano Trio, So with Ielena Makarova that we heard before with Trio Sonorite, a couple of weeks ago, actually. Yes. Yeah. She's an absolute excellent pianist and was fantastic to work with every of them in Athol Smythe Trio. Fantastic. Yeah. And I got invited by Angela to take part last year before it started, she said, what do you think of this idea? And I thought it was brilliant. And I'm really happy that it's gone on to the second year and that it looks like it's going to continue and establish itself as something really exciting for women in music. Yes, we hope it's something that we can keep doing and keep supporting more women composers and performers for years. I see among the composers you got other female artists like Blair Boyd, Laura Shipley, Kerinza Briggs. And how did you meet? Well, quite slowly, because there isn't too many women composers about. I mean, there are plenty of us, but when you go on a composition course, I was often the only woman composer there. And once in a while you'd meet another one. So I sort of gathering them for quite a number of years and had this idea in the back of my head and then I sort of got to the point where I felt like as though I had enough people and performers that I knew to really make it happen. So at that point I started inviting composers to take part in it. And ever since I've been growing that list. And of course now with Illuminate really sort of established as a platform, I get lots of people contacting me, hoping to be involved in future seasons as well. That is fantastic. Absolutely. So we're gonna listen to some of the music that has been played during the festival, where the festival is taking place. Is it in London as well? Well, it's all around. So like I said, we went out to America earlier in the year, but usually it's mainly a UK based thing and we will go to all sorts of cities and towns, all sorts of venues. So we might just do a coffee concert in Stafford, we might go to a university like Emanuel College Cambridge, that we're doing in November. Because I like to try and take to all sorts of audiences and make it accessible for as many people, particularly in the uk, as possible. What is the reception of the audience about this? Contemporary. It's just contemporary music. It's not just contemporary music. No. So the idea is to present and also demonstrate that there is a legacy of women composers from the past as well. So, yeah, depending on the audience, sometimes I think they find the contemporary music perhaps a bit more difficult to access and are very happy to hear the historical works. But I found that there has genuinely been quite a positive reaction to all of the music. And if there isn't something, you know, if there is a piece that doesn't suit someone, there's going to be something else for them too. Now, the first piece we're going to listen to today is Angela's Shades of Rain. Can you tell us something about the piece? Yes. So a lot of my music likes to draw on concepts from the natural world and this one's no different. So the piece has two movements, but they're not separated like you traditionally have. One and then the other. They're kind of happening at the same time. So you'll hear a bit of Cloudburst, this really energetic sort of flooding of rain downwards, and then it will suddenly stop and go to this very suspended, quiet sort of sound world which is meant to be the movement petrichor. And then you'll be thrown straight back into Cloudburst. So it's like these two movements happening simultaneously and who is playing the track record. The recording that you'll hear is from the Hartford Women composers festival on 30 March by the Prism Trio. So it's a live performance? It is a live performance, yes. Fantastic. Let's listen then to Angela Slater. Shades of Rain. Sa. Sa. Welcome to Women's Radio Station. I'm Sarah Louise Ryan and welcome to Love Lessons live on Women's Radio Station. Hello and welcome to future Classic Women Awards with me, Stefania Passamonte on Women's Radio Station. Hello and welcome to Julie Mae is listening. 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So Sarah and Angela, you're both composers. How did you decide to become composer? I mean, is that something that you decide or. Well, I was gonna say I think it chose me whenever I was trying to make music. I think even before I could play an instrument, I was always, you know, bashing on the piano, making things up. And then I obviously I took formal lessons but I was always being distracted by that wrong chord you play when you're practicing and going, oh, and then my mum would be going, get back to your scales or something. And in my teenage years it came out in writing songs and then pop songs. Yes, kind of terrible pop songs. Yes. That will never see the light of day. But you know, you have to, you have to come from somewhere. And then I sort of at university discovered this whole world of, you know, being able to write classical music. I sort of hadn't realized that you could be that type of composer. So yeah, and then it's sort of just been something that I feel like as though I have to this sort of desire and need and I feel like as I've got to keep doing of it, doing it otherwise I might not be able to do it anymore. I don't know. And you, Sara? Fairly, fairly similar. I mean, different background. When I was younger, I studied piano and I had an idea I wanted to be an architect. So I used to draw a lot of things but the only I had music lessons and some theory lessons, but no composition lessons. I didn't really know anything about composition, harmony and chord progression and this type of thing, modulation. And then I really enjoyed playing piano. And I decided for a bit, just before I do further studying after school, to study piano at Trinity Larbourne. And there is. Well, the. The program I took was quite integrated in improvisation, which is something I never did before. And I got really into improvising and then. And that's kind of when I started to make my own music. And then at that age, I thought maybe I could start looking at what it is to compose. You know, I have a friend, I remember, she's a conductor, and she was telling me she trained as a pianist. And then she had to stop being a pianist because she was so into composition that while she was playing, she would just take her own way somehow. She would go out of the piece and compose, you know, improvise. And, you know, when, you know, the thing. Structure of the piece, the architecture actually of the piece. I think it's very similar. The composition, architectural part. And building a. Designing a building, for example. Absolutely. I mean, that metaphor always is useful because if you don't construct your piece well, if you don't have good foundation and architecture, the whole piece can fall down like a building would. Absolutely. And so that's something I cannot do. You know, we were talking. What do you do? Like, I'm just a pianist because somehow to then be able to dedicate myself into the piece, I have to trust the composer 100%. If I had a composition mind of my own. So I have a performer mind in a way that I love the piece and I know how I think it sounds amazing what the composer meant to do, but I wouldn't have a mind of composing, you know, something I did. I did my bit, of course, so it's good to double. But, yeah, I'm a pianist now. A question. When you compose, like, is that. Do you have, like. Like, do you wake up with a melody in your mind or something? That. How. How does the inspiration come? Where does it come from? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of. That kind of story of, you know, suddenly a composer is hit by a fantastic idea in the middle of the night. I don't know how often that really happens in reality. Once in a while I've had that kind of thing and I've had to get up and write something down. But then often it doesn't make a lot of sense in the morning. I find I sort of end up thinking about a piece for quite a long time before I actually write a note about it. And it's kind of all whirring in my head and I'm planning it. And then I tend to actually draw quite like a picture, almost like a graphic structure, maybe even shapes to show the kind of types of material and gestures I want to write. And then I often go to the piano or if it's for a specific, specific instrument that I can play a little bit, I'll try and go on the instrument itself. So, you know, particularly if I'm trying to write for a string quartet, I can play the violin extremely badly and the cello. And I like to go to those instruments because then I can feel whether, you know, is that realistic. And if I can do it, then hopefully a professional can do it. And also they're going to realize that it's being written expressively for that instrument and therefore it should hopefully come out a lot better as well. Sara, talking about inspiration, then, would you like to tell us how you were inspired by the next piece that we're going to listen to, that is the Etching Circle? Yes, I wrote this piece after working with a dance group called 11 Farah House. They created a piece called Circle of Perpetual Choirs. So etching Circles in a way comes from that title. And they were dancing around the audience. The audience were placed in a circle and they would go around and through them. For that piece I wrote some electronics and some of the speakers were under the chairs as well as surround sound. So it went round and through the audience and hopefully round the. Well, I imagined it went round the dancers, but because the audience couldn't always see the dancers at a particular time, one might be behind them as they were coming round and two might be over there. I thought it might be interesting to try and work that musically into a different piece. So it's not anything now to do with the original dance, but I imagined the trio, it was for this recording, it's the Ethel Smythe Trio in York, that they are kind of dancing around in each other. And then occasionally the audience will hear parts of the movements that I've made come together. And then other times they're by themselves and you might not quite know how it's shaping. Now. Let's see if that works on the radio. Let's listen to Westwood. Sarah Westwood, the Etching Circle. It. Sam. Sa. It. Sam. Sa. Welcome to the women's radio station. Supporting women's well being. Women's radio station is all about diversity from opinions, career, ethnicity, education and most importantly, women's well being. We aim to celebrate the individuality of every woman everywhere, providing opportunities and the platform for your voice. Visit our website womensradiostation.com for more information. I'm Tamina Zaman, founder of Empower and Enrich. 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With a wide range of sponsorship opportunities, including individual programs, we can tailor your experience for you. For more information on how you can sponsor a Show, go to womensradiostation.com Women's radio station Supporting Women's Wellbeing. Welcome back to future Classic Women Awards and Women's Radio Station Today. Our guests are composer Angela Slater and Sarah Westbot from the Illuminate women's music. Angela and Sarah, we were talking about the various composers that are. That are on the Illuminated Festival. So we're not listening today, but we also have Blair Boyd and then. Shall I let you know? Absolutely, yes. So in our season one, we had myself, Sarah, Blair Boyd, Kerenza Briggs and Laura Shipsee as our illuminate composers. And for season two, again, we have myself, Blair Boyd and Sarah Westwood because we're the composers in residence. But we also have Yifat Solzisso, Caroline Bourdignon and Joanna Ward as our season two illuminate composers. Yes. So I was getting confused with your historical works because you said you like to pair. Right. To include as well historical classical women composers. Absolutely. I like to try and create a platform in which both composers from the present and women composers from the past are presented on the same platform. I think often we can end up putting either historical works in a box or contemporary works in a box, regardless of gender. And I think it actually creates a concert that is full of interesting, diverse sound worlds for people, putting them side by side and allowing those works actually to have a dialogue in the way that they haven't had opportunity to, in the way that our male counterparts have for years and years. So, you know, Clara Schumann is the inspiration of this program and that's 200 years in September now of her birth. So she's. Nowadays, she's the one that everybody's looking at. But there is other amazing female composer like I can see Barbara Strozzi, Rebecca Clark, I actually don't know Marfit Owen or Krajina Grazni Bashevic. Yeah, she was a 20th century Polish composer and mainly a violinist as well. So she has lots of excellent pieces for violin because of this. And in 2018 we programmed her Polish Caprice, which is a solo, very virtuosic violin piece. You'll be able to find that on our Illuminate YouTube channel if people want to have a nose at that. And we also programmed her cradle song for violin and piano this year. Again, that will, if it's not already up on YouTube, it will be soon. Regarding Morvy Vowin. She's a Welsh composer and it was the centenary of her death last year and she died tragically young at the age of 26, and she left an amazing collection of works considering how young she was. And so the first year we programmed four Welsh impressions for piano. And this year we dug out her 1915 piano trio, which hadn't been heard for a good two decades in its original instrumentation until this year, and we also took it out to the US and we, the expert on Morvey Owens music, Rhiann Davis, was pretty sure that might have been the US Premiere because we don't think it been performed out there before. So your festival is not just about showcasing your beautiful music, it's also about researching and discovering. Yes. I mean, historical pieces. Yes. For me, on a personal level, when I was doing my PhD, I began to be drawn more and more to women's music and discover it because of my. Often because of my interest in the natural world. But it made me suddenly realize, wait a minute, there's all these composers I don't know about. And I then in 2017, went to the first international conference on Women's Work in music and met a whole load of fantastic musicologists. One of them, as I mentioned, was Rhiann Davis, and began to discover all these historical works. And I very much have got a bit of a research book myself. And so I'll go off and try and find these women and their music and try and, yeah, put them right alongside our music. Now, I have a very provocative question. Might be a rhetorical question for us, but not for the audience. And is, you know, doing a PhD research, being composer yourself, do you notice any difference between the music composed by a woman and the music composed by a man? I think on an objective level regarding, like, the intelligence of the music, the emotion of the music, there isn't one. And, you know, I think, of course, men and women end up having different human experiences in their lives and particularly from the past, you know, those are going to be quite different because of the sort of social constructs of the time. So on that level, yes, you could perhaps argue there's a difference in their music also to do with access to education and things. But I think, you know, if someone was to try and make an argument of women's music being less intelligent, which I've heard people do, I think it's absolutely an absurd assertion. We should claim and name the depths of the Internet. You'll find. Oh, my gosh. Okay. Well, I heard people, you know, commenting on Clara and saying, oh, I can hear Robert Schumann. Like, yes, because it was meant to be. You know, she was actually citing her husband to say something about that. But not because she didn't have an originality of her own, isn't it? Absolutely. Now, the next piece we are going to listen to is Angela Slater, Ways of Looking at Blackbird. Yes. Well, yes. So again, a piece very much about the natural world. This is written for our season two performance, which is string quartet and soprano. So we have Clara's rarity. That is starting date. Season two is right now. Oh, yes, it's already. It started in Bangor on the 5th of September. Our next concert's on the 12th of October in Birmingham. And all the other details of various concerts are on our website. Yes. So look, if you are in Birmingham, go and listen to it. Yes, it's amazing. Yeah. We'll have two in Oxford, one in Huddersfield and one in Cambridge. So please come along to those. Yes. So the piece sets a whole load of small haiku poems by Wallace Stevens. They're called thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackbird. And I just took a selection of those to set and they really sort of explore different imagery of the blackbird. So the first one's called Slowy Mountains and it was the first time I was trying to really explore a miniature form. So each of the movements are really quite short, up to one to two minutes. And then what I do between them is what I like to call musical bookmarks. And they're like preludes to each of these movements. And these preludes eventually accumulate to form the last movement, which is called the edge. And that's how the piece ends. So you've sort of heard that movement in little slices and then eventually you hear it all together at the end of the piece. You put the puzzle together. You piece it together. Fantastic. Well, it's quite long. It's 10 minutes long. So we're gonna listen just so after first pieces of it. Sam. Moving. Ra. Mar. Welcome to the women's radio station supporting women's well being. Women's Radio station is all about diversity from opinions, career, ethnicity, education and most importantly, women's well being. We aim to celebrate the individuality of every woman everywhere, providing opportunities and the platform for your voice. Visit our website. Visit womensradiostation.com for more information. I'm Tamina Zaman, founder of Empower and Enrich. When it comes to money, do you clam up or get confused? 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For more information on how you can sponsor a Show, go to womensradiostation.com Women's radio station supporting women's wellbeing. Foreign. Welcome back to future classic Women awards on women's radio station. Our guest today, our composer, Angela Slater and Sarah Westbrook with the Illuminate news Women in music. Now, Angela and Sara, it's time for the op questions so I'm gonna ask you if you have any OPI to free or to free your mind or relax apart from, you know, listening to music. Unless it's different type of music, I don't think it's an odd way of relaxing. But certainly cope better if I make sure I go to the gym a lot. Benzano Incorporisano. Right? Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I'll go and I used to go and do this class called Body attack a lot and. Body Attack, yes, you get a lot of energy out of your system. So I guess if someone is not playing right, you're gonna. I will, I can and we're scared. Absolutely. And you, Sara? I've. Within the past year, I was. I've started sewing again. Oh, yeah. It's a very, very slow hobby. It's beautiful. Yeah. I thought. I don't want to have something that has. I mean, you could go. I should go to the gym. But I don't want. I thought I'd like a hobby where I don't necessarily have deadlines and I can take it at my own pace. Yeah. I'm not the best sewer, but I quite like it. And sometimes I have to redo things, but it's okay. I love it. There is a beautiful program. I don't know if you saw it. The best sewing thing. I'm such a fan of that one. They go really quick, though. Like, they make it in a day. Mine's like months, for one thing, is another very creative process, isn't it? Yeah. Wonderful. And do you have any ritual or superstition before going on stage or before you start composing or. I don't know if it's a superstition as such, but I certainly don't like to leave too long in between composing because I have this. I don't know if you could call it a superstition as such, that if somehow, if I stop for too long, I just might not be able to ever do it again. Oh, no. So I have to sort of keep composing, otherwise I might not be able to. Or something like that. I see. Okay. Like, the magic will end, isn't it? Yes. Or something like that. So I have to keep proving it to myself. And so far it's been fine. So I have two. Yeah. One, before composing, I always meditate. Well, I do it as part of composing, but before writing or thinking about ideas. And then the second one for a concert, I always. I didn't realise it was a superstition until you said you have any. I always have a pair of nice shoes with me for the concert. All right. Yeah. Which I change into, of course. Yeah, that's it. That's very good. Why not? It's not always the same type of style. No, no. I've got several which I like and I change into. Very good. Now, any embarrassing moment that you can recall in your career or. Funny moment, funny moments. Well, when I was having this wind orchestra piece performed, the conductor was going for its so vigorously that the baton absolutely flew out of his hand and then it fell on the score in front of him. But, yeah, it went quite a height. Oh, wow. So it added to the drama. Absolutely. Well, I heard Horrible stories of conductors losing their baton and going into the eye of the first fire, you know. Oh, no. Yes. Thankfully, nothing like that happened here. Oh, wow. Okay, you are. Last year for the Illuminate concert series, I wrote a piece called another dance, and it was for guitar and violin. It was based on another dance. And someone after the concert said, oh, it was very interesting, but I don't think I'd be able to dance to that. Okay, well, the last piece that we're gonna listen today is Sarah, Things you don't. Things you don't yet know you feel. Yes, you don't know you feel it. Would you like to tell us about something about that? Yes. That was written for season two. And this recording's from the Bangor concert, which is the women's music conference. Yeah. The second international conference on women's work in music. Yes. Let's listen to Sarah Westwood, things you don't you you don't know you. Ra. It. Sa. And this was Sarah Westwood, things you don't yet know you feel from the illuminate bancor. If you have any questions that you would like to ask to our guest or nomination for our future classifwoman awards, please please email presentersmensradiostation.com or tweet us@womensradiostn. A big thanks to our guest, the composer Angela Slater and Sarah Westwoods from Illuminate women's music for the great chat and the beautiful music play today. Thank you. Thank you so much. It was such a pleasure and I had so many questions to ask you still. So I think I'll have you very soon back on the program you've been listening to feature classic women awards on women radio station live every day at 10am and 10pm London time. 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