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Future Classic Women Awards – Eleni Keventsidou

Future Classic Womens Awards·36:00·29 Jul 2020·

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Join host Stefania Passamonte as she welcomes Greek organist Eleni Keventsidou to Future Classic Women Awards. Eleni shares the fascinating story of how she unexpectedly became one of the classical music world’s most exciting new voices, with not one but three debut albums launching simultaneously in fall. What began as a chance recording opportunity at a recital has blossomed into a remarkable trilogy of releases showcasing her virtuosity across solo organ works, violin and organ collaborations, and vocal partnerships with countertenor Nico Span.

Eleni’s journey to becoming an organist is anything but conventional. Her story begins in 1998 at a piano competition in Athens, where she won an organ scholarship almost by accident—a prize she initially tried to escape! But after her first lesson with legendary organist Nicholas Kynaston, she fell in love with the instrument and has never looked back. Her passionate PhD research on Max Reger’s monumental Variations on an Original Theme Op. 73 demonstrates her deep commitment to expanding the organ’s concert repertoire and possibilities.

Throughout the episode, Eleni and Stefania explore the organ’s incredible versatility as a solo concert instrument, from its traditional church role to its potential in contemporary music crossovers. Eleni discusses her collaborations with violinist and countertenor partners, her love for classical music exclusively, and her vision for bringing the organ’s vast literature to wider audiences. Her story is an inspiring testament to how sometimes life’s greatest loves find us when we least expect them.

Main Topics

  • Eleni Keventsidou is releasing three debut albums simultaneously in fall 2024—a solo organ album, a violin and organ collaboration, and a vocal album with countertenor Nico Span
  • Her unexpected career as an organist began when she won an organ scholarship at a 1998 piano competition in Athens, which she initially tried to decline
  • Eleni pursued a PhD studying Max Reger's Variations on an Original Theme Op. 73, combining her research with recording her debut solo album
  • The organ is a vastly underutilized concert instrument with endless possibilities, from accompanying soloists and vocalists to potentially performing diverse musical genres
  • Eleni is a devoted classical music listener exclusively, having listened only to classical music since age two or three
  • She studied and performed at the Royal Academy of Music in London and recorded at Rugby School, maintaining long-standing musical partnerships from her student days
  • Contemporary organists like Dr. Carol Williams are expanding the organ's repertoire by performing unconventional pieces, such as Jimi Hendrix arrangements

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Full TranscriptHello and welcome to Future Classic Women Awards with me, Stefania Passamonte on Women's Radio Station, a program where ...
Hello and welcome to Future Classic Women Awards with me, Stefania Passamonte on Women's Radio Station, a program where we search for the most amazing new female artists on the classical panorama. Today on Future Classic Women Awards, we. We have a very special guest. I've been waiting for a long time. And that's fantastic. Greek organist Elena Eleni Cavensidou. How are you, Eleni? I'm fine. Thank you for the invitation. I'm very privileged to be here. Eleni is coming out with not just one debut alumni, but actually three in a row. I mean, this is epic, if I may say. How did that happen? I mean, how. Because normally people plan one CD if they're, you know, and that takes so much time and somehow you have three coming out in fall. Yes. So it all happened accidentally. I was playing a recital at some point, some years ago, and I was playing. I was performing Lisa D Nos Fantasy and Fugue. And actually the whole title is Lisa and Salutarim Oudam. It's Fantasy and Fugue. And one, somebody came and he said, can I actually record this? I have a recording label. And I was very happy. And then I thought, including my central PhD piece, which was Max Breaker's Variations on an original theme of 73. And that was the solo CD plus Bach prelude, Fugue in A Minor. So that was recorded last December in Ipsch at Roy Hospital School, Holborg. And we're waiting for the editing. And then I always had the idea of playing. I had the idea of playing with the violin. And I was performing since my academy with a violinist. And we thought, why not having a CD at. And recorded at Rugby School. Is that the same organist you. Pardon? Violinist, you were playing when you were a student at the academy? Yes, yes. We were always. We still remained friends and we were always playing together. So since we had that bond, I thought, let's record at Rugby School. Then Radcliffe School was really happy to accommodate a recording there. So we did it. And in the meantime I started a collaboration with a Greek countertenor, Nico Span. And then I thought, why? And we played some concerts together in. We played in Finland. We played at the Athens Cosenholland. And we thought, why not recording this? Why not? And I thought, yes, let's all have them all together, nearly together. So, yeah, I mean, that's amazing. Yeah. So these were the ideas that I had in my mind long time. And let's explain. Eleni is. We met at Rail Academy when we were students a few years ago. A few years? Yes. Very little. No, no, no, not that many. And Eleni is a fantastic virtuoso at the organ. She's a soloist and she also have a Ph.D. and so. And you've always been, you know, with so fantastic, brilliant ideas. And I think the CD was a long overdue, you know, a way for everybody to be able to enjoy your art, your musicianship. Oh, thank you very much. Well, I started. Well, I adore music by Max Rager. My whole aspiration is to record Operomnia by Max Rager. So I started one of the longest pieces by Max Rager. And when I started learning it, I thought, why not writing a thesis about this piece? And then I thought, maybe not. Then I had a meeting with a professor at Canterbury, Christchurch, and they said, what a lovely idea and please write your proposal. And. Yeah, then they offered me the grant and it all started. That's. That's fantastic. And so how did you decide actually to become an organist? I mean, this is not such a. It was not my decision. It became all extremely. It was. Everything was so accidental. It was like playing in a film that the victim doesn't know what is coming. Well, it's also called destiny. Maybe. It could be. It could be destiny. Maqtoob Kismet So. So there was a piano competition at the Athens Crescent hall many, many moons ago, if I might say. It was in 1998. I wasn't born. So the whole concept was to perform a program on the piano and then they would offer organ scholarships and they would. Nicholas Kynaston, the organist at that time of the concert, Athens Cosenholt, he was. He would come every month to teach us. And this was also part of his package to play recitals and, and etc. And, and teach us the organ. And we could practice at the Athens Constant hall as part of US scholarship. So that was the whole plan. So there was a piano competition. Obviously, at that time, I didn't have. I'd never seen an organ before in my life. So, yeah, we took us. We are mainly orthodox, so we don't have organs everywhere like luckily we have here. So in London or in uk. In the uk. And there was a piano competition. And I was so relaxed because I thought I tricked you. I don't want to learn the organ. I just came to play you my piano program. And actually this competition was before an international competition. So I thought what this would do. This would be the best way of playing my program in front of people and actually rehearse it in. As part of the competition. So when they rang me. They said, oh, you got the scholarship? I was in tears and actually I got, what am I gonna do with that? Yeah, do I have to do, have to learn it? And I was trying ways to get away. I remember they gave me the contract and I said, can I take it home? And I said, we never had this. Yeah, everybody's signing and just. You competed to do it. Yeah. So I gave it to my uncle who is a lawyer and I said, if I, if I go away in the first month, will they, will they change me? I said, no, there's not such a thing. So that's how I started. But I was, I, I didn't want to learn. And when we started lessons with Nicholas Kyrston, he's a legend. I fell in love. And then it's, it's, it's a love that lasts many, many, many years. A love of a lifetime. Yes. Wow. What a story. Well, let's, let's start then listening to your other first love, that is max record the variation on an original theme up 73 for from your upcoming album. Sa. Welcome to women's radio Station. I'm Sarah Louise Ryan and welcome to Love Lessons live on Women's radio station. Hello and welcome to future classic women awards with me Stefania Passamonte on women's radio station. Hello and welcome to Julie Mae is listening. Hi, this is Anna Kennedy and we're at women's radio station supporting women's well being and we're talking all things autism women. The possibilities are endless. That's what makes us different. Hi, I'm Tracey Weeden of Brownhill Insurance Group. We are an award winning family run insurance broker covering a wide range of insurance products ranging from commercial lines to personal household, high net worth and fine art. You can contact us on 0208-65843 or visit our website www.brownhillgroup.co.uk for your free no obligation quotation at Brownhills. We've got you covered. Hi, I'm Lauren Mishkon. I'm a birth doula and mum of three and I'm passionate about supporting women to have empowering and positive birth experiences. Please join me for my brand new show from Tummy to Mummy here on Women's radio station Station. Every week I'll be here with an expert guest talking about women's reproductive health, everything, fertility, pregnancy, birth and baby related right through to the menopause and beyond. Please join us for an informative and fun hour. Hi, I'm Hazel Butterfield, a blogger, book lover and mental health advocate and you can listen to my show. Get booked here at Women's Radio station daily at 5am and 5pm throughout my shows, we'll talk about the books I've read, new releases, chapter authors, publishers and book enthusiasts, all with a theme and aim of supporting women's emotional well being. If you have a book to tell us about, get in touch@presentersomensradiostation.com join me on my show and share my love of books and writing. Hi, I'm Valentina Barbacci and I'm the Executive director of Media Matters for Women. We're a registered charity operating in Sierra Leone and the Democratic Republic of Congo and we produce and share podcasts via Bluetooth on mobile phones focusing specifically on women and girls excluded from information due to extreme poverty. We empower those living in rural areas with media that transforms how they access, own and share information. To find out more and be part of this movement, come check out our website@mediamattersforwomen.org you're listening to Women's radio stations supporting women's well being. Women's Radio Station is creating a global network for the empowerment of women and we want you to be involved. Join us on Instagram and Twitter womensradio station, that's womensradio Stn or Facebook Women's Radio Station to keep up to date with all our exciting programs. Welcome back to future Classic Women Awards on Women's Radio Station, the program where we search for the most amazing new female artist on the classical panorama. Our guest today is Eleni Cavenditso. I'll never know. Can I know? It's. It's difficult. Come Eleni, it's easier. Kevin Sidou. Kevin Sidou. Eleni. Eleni is an old friend of mine. She's coming. She's a fantastic organist, soloist. And you wouldn't think now everybody would think about the organ as a concert instrument apart from, you know, when you see it on the mass in the churches, et cetera. But actually it's one of the most exciting solo instruments. I think I was just the first night of the proms last week and we had the glaucolamas by Janacek and the organist there that could see how much fun he was having. You know, whenever he was coming in, he was louder than 120 people in the choir and the orchestra and the soloists and everything. So I mean, what do you think? I mean, what was the thing that you loved the most about the organ? Because organ has got endless possibilities. You can from the frightening tootie sound that lots of people have got in mind. You can play with beautiful flutes, you can accompany a violin, you can accompany the human voice. You can bring the opera to the audience, you can bring even pop music. I mean, it's not my cup of tea, but you can actually. This can actually be done. You can bring jazz, you can have a really varied program. You can have varied concert programs. I mean, what do you mean for pop? I mean, I've not seen pop with the organ yet. Not yet, I haven't. But I have heard there's an American, actually a Welsh organist who lives in America, Dr. Carol Williams, and she will perform at the Royal Festival hall, the new series now. And she will, I think she will perform some Hendrix. Oh, wow. Jimi Hendrix. Yes. On the organ. So anything can be done. The literature is endless and the possibilities even more so. One question then. Do you listen to other type of music? You don't play it, but do you listen to it? I don't have to. I'm guilty. I only listen to classical music. I'm really guilty. Well, I like it. I like the fact that you feel guilty. I mean, music. I mean, you can listen to it with the radio or whatever, whenever it's passing by. You're just on Classic FM. No, actually, BBC Radio 3. Probably. Yes, I'm really. I'm really. I'm really guilty on that. I mean, since I was three, two. Three years, I couldn't listen to any other music. And I remember being on a taxi and asking, asking politely the taxi driver to switch off the music and turn off the music, and my dad turning off the music. So. Yes, okay, so it's just classical and that's it. All right, but what do you think then about classical music today? What does it mean to. Do you think you see a lot of crossover? For example, like this Carol that is going to do a concert at Royal Festival or the Temple of Classical Music. They have a fantastic organ actually there as well, isn't it? Yes, refurbished. Yeah, just refurbished. So, playing Jimi Hendrix. So what do you think about this? Bridging out two different styles? It has been because I only listen to classical music that I don't admire people that they are bringing pop onto the organ. And actually, I would love to bring different kinds of music, different genres to the audience and make them happy. I mean, I have been asked from various venues in Europe to bring Greek folk music, like present a couple of pieces from my Greek heritage. Yes. Wow. Actually, I wanted to ask you. I mean, now you are based in the uk, in London. Yes. And since the time of the Academy. Am I right? Yes, yes. So that was the first time you came to the uk? I know I had come a couple of years before. I auditioned for the Royal Academy for some summer courses, organ summer courses, and I enjoyed it so much. And that's when I thought, why not auditioning? And so what do you think about the music life that is in London? Or why is it so small, special? Well, the basic reason that makes it very special for me is that it would have been extremely difficult to express myself in my own country because of the. Of the organ world and because we are mainly orthodox, so the organs are very, very limited. And I would never dream of playing music daily, of performing, of rehearsing. It would have made it very difficult. And I knew it from the minute that I got this organ scholarship, from the minute that I fell in love with the organ, that I have to leave my own country, which made it very tough. But I knew it. And then I chose this. Many, many, many years ago now. You traveled a lot. You told us you played in Finland, you played in Holland. What was the best place you played a concert? The most exciting organist organ that you found or audience? The most exciting organ ever, well, up to now is hemorrho, diabetes. I think it's about 10, 11 seconds, acoustic. I remember rehearsing late at night and I was just walking by the abbey and I could hear footsteps, which were actually my footsteps, but it was quite scary. I think this. I will never forget this organ. And actually this place is always full because they love the organ, they love the recitals. So there were actually lots of people coming and they bring them on coaches, and this was the best place I have ever been. Well, I mean, please don't misunderstand me. I have been treated well to every place I have been, and I love the organs. But this was special to me, maybe because I was extremely. Well, I was a bit younger at that time, and it was one of my first concerts abroad. And this is special in my heart. I remember this beautiful feeling that I don't have it every time, but once I have it. It's unique, the feeling that you get out of your body and you conduct yourself. This is. This is. I had that feeling that time, and I will never forget it. While you were playing. Oh, wow. I felt that I was out of my body and I was really conducting it and I could see myself. It's very. I cannot explain it, but it's very special. Yes. Wow. That's something I never thought about. I mean, sometimes there is the transcendental studies by Lisa, for example. They say that transcendental. We think we talk about transcendence with some very virtuoso pieces that they are so difficult that you have basically to come out of your body and conduct yourself as you were talking about. But it is actually so demanding that you're actually there 100% with your head and everything is hard that you're coming out. So when you have this type of transcendental experience, it's very unique, isn't it? Yes, because I'm not sure about the audience and I hope you feel such a joy that you only want to give. I really cannot express in words, but you only want to give and you feel, I mean, you feel completely full of joy. It's fantastic. Well, we have to listen to another of your live concerts. We're gonna listen to Saintson, A piece of A bit of the Fantasy number three in C. Satan sam. Sa. Sam. Welcome to the women's radio station. Supporting women's well being. Women's radio station is all about diversity from opinions, career, ethnicity, education and most importantly, women's well being. We aim to celebrate the individuality of every woman everywhere, providing opportunities and the platform for your voice. Visit our website womensradiostation.com for more information. I'm Tamina Zaman, founder of Empower and Enrich. When it comes to money, do you clam up or get confused? Do you wish you could save more money or are you hoping you have enough for retirement? You are not alone. Many women want to be smarter with their cash, but just don't know where to start. @empowerandenrich.org you will find a host of options to help you take charge of your finances and learn how to put your money to work for you in an easy, affordable way. 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So you were telling me, you know, about the fact that you started as a pianist and then you won this competition and you ended up being actually an organist. Do you still play the piano? Well, I had to do lots of accompanying while doing my PhD course. Lots of accompanying. And I like practicing the piano and being alone in a room. I like it. And with the organ, I mean, sometimes when you are practicing in a church, you don't have the alone beat. Unless you are locked in a church. Even if you are locked in the church, somebody will come in. Yes. Unless it is 2 in the morning, which these were my favorite hours of practicing. Alone, completely alone. And you could hear your thoughts. It was. But with the piano, it's the feeling that you can actually practice at your own space and people will not come in. And I have that now with practicing the organ. I have a digital console at home. I can practice with headphones. Oh, wow. Alone. But I still practice the piano. And I always practice my organ pieces on the piano because my Nicholas Kinnison used to say, if you lose your piano technique, you will lose your organ technique. So I follow this absolutely. Now, I have one question. It did happen to me to play a concert once. I was in a clauster, like a monastery and the piano was in the enclosed garden. And I remember I was Rehearsing, and it was quite magical. The wind suddenly started blowing, and you really feel. It's quite kind of spectral almost, you know, the ghost. You don't feel alone. Yeah, that's for sure. That's what I was gonna ask. You're never alone. What, have you ever seen one? No, but you can feel the energy. And I remember practicing and then wanted to use the facilities, and I was going through the crypt, and I was. I was praying more for our father, so I was. I was very scared. Ok. Yes. You feel that and. And you're fine with it. I mean, it's part of the job, probably. It's one of the cons or pro of your job. You have the feeling that souls are everywhere, so you stop thinking about that. But it's good. I think it's beautiful in a way. It reminds you that, you know, we're in such a material world, isn't it? Everything is about buying, you know, things, owning things. And when you're there by yourself with your thoughts, with other energies around you, that really reminds you what we're made of. That is not just flesh and blood. Yes, but only when I'm practicing. I feel that all of my thoughts are controlled and I feel confident, and I consider that my meditation. All right, so do you. What would you say is the pro and cons of your career as a classical musician or as an organist in particular, up to you? Well, I'm devoting a lot of time, apart from practicing and performing, a lot of time on teaching, which I love. I think I like the balance between teaching and practicing and performing. I don't want to have one more or the other less. I want to balance, and that gives me joy. I could say, yes, I'm more an organist than a pianist now because I have stopped playing in public, the piano. But I enjoy both teaching and performing. Okay, and what was the most challenging moment in your career? Well, there are so many. Well, it's a challenging career in general, isn't it? Yes, it is. I mean, it is. It is a life based a lot on stress. And you have to prepare some. You have commitments and you have to prepare, and you have so little time sometimes. And sometimes your. Your body feels very tired, so it cannot adapt to what your mind wants and. Or the other way around. So that. That is challenging for me. And I have to stand above. And I have to. I have to practice or perform or teach when I'm not in the mood, when I got fever, when I'm ill, when I'm tired and I'M trying to overcome every obstacle and keep on going. Well, to be honest, also it goes with the personal life as well. I mean, we are very good friends but we've not seen each other for I don't know how many years. That is crazy because we live in the same city but we're all so busy, isn't it? This is very sad. And for myself, which I shouldn't be doing anymore, I feel time and everything for granted. I feel, yes, yes, we will do it tomorrow. I postpone my life sometimes and then I shouldn't do that. I shouldn't take anything for granted. Now, what would you remember the most exciting moment in your career? Well, PhD was quite exciting for me because I was never academic. So I thought I should put my thoughts in an order and I should be organizing everything better. So this was quite exciting for me. And that was also challenging. If we want to go back to the previous question, that was very challenging. And the exciting moment was my viva new recital I think. Wonderful Defimer. Well now, is this next recording from that concert the Max regger sonata number 2 or is another live recording? This is a live recording, although I really, really adore this. The second sonata in D minor OBO 60. I have never recorded it. I only have played it in live concerts. But. But I think that was the piece also. That was Second Sonata and Panthers in Fugund Vu Bach. These were the two pieces that got me into Max Reger's music and made me learn more and more and more. And actually I fell in love with Max Regger's music because of those two pieces, I think. Fantastic. Then let's listen to the first movement improvisation Allegro. Com Brio from the second sonata of Max Reger. Satan. Welcome to women's radio station. I'm Sarah Louise Ryan and welcome to Love Lessons live on women's radio station. Hello and welcome to future classic women awards with me, Stefania Passamonte on women's radio station. Hello and welcome to Julie Mae is listening. Hi, this is Anna Kennedy and we're at women's radio station supporting women's wellbeing and we're talking all things autism women. 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To find out more and be part of this movement, come check out our website@mediamattersforwomen.org you're listening to Women's Radio Station Supporting women's wellbeing. Women's Radio Station's creating a global network for the empowerment of women and we want you to be involved. Join us on Instagram and Twitter IMNsradio station, that's womens Radio STN or Facebook Women's Radio Station to keep up to date with all our exciting programs. Welcome back to future Classic Women Awards on Women's Radio Station. Our guest today is Eleni Cavancido. Now, Eleni, I mean we will be talking, we should be talking for forever and ever. Probably will come back when the CD are out. There's so many. But in the meantime, it's now the last length of our program and so it's time for the odd questions. So I'm gonna ask you, do you have any strange hobby to free your mind or life Wax well At some point of my life, I think I like designing jewelry. Oh. And presenting the. The designs to some kind of maker and he was. I. I made some christening clothes, some other jewelry. Yeah, I. I like this hobby. That's. That's amazing. Yes. I love. And apart from that, I love of taking care of my three rabbits. Three rabbits. Three rabbits. What are their name? Two Fish, Tufina and Leo. Leo is actually female, but we were told from the pet shop that it was a male, so I called him Leo. But actually he's a girl. He's a girl and I adore them. And Two Fish loves Bach, so we listen to Bach, Bach trio sonatas. And he. He remains still. He doesn't move. He loves juice. Maybe in another life he was, you know, musician. And whenever we hear. We listen to orchestras. He remains there and he stares and. Oh, wow, that's interesting. Do you have any rituals or superstition before going on stage? Yeah, I do. I do, yes. Can you say it? Yeah. Well, I wear a specific jewelry all the time and I have a specific color either. I wear my orange dress, which now it's very old, but. And people think, oh, you shouldn't wear this. You should be a little bit more glamorous. And I have quite a few dresses, but I always wear that now it's very old. Or red and black dress. Oh, wow. I thought you were saying that you cannot wear dresses when you perform. They have to be above the knee or they. They can be. The front part could be. It could be like a hem dress. So the front part should be. That's for the best. Should be a little bit shorter, like up to the knees and the back could be, you know, like. It doesn't go in the middle of the pedals. No, it doesn't. Because it goes above the. Behind the bench and the bench and actually it looks very nice if you are in a concert hall and they can see the big. Yeah, a bit like the Spencer for the man, isn't it? Yes. Or. Or you can wear trousers. Leggings. Leggings are the best. So what do you have any fun embarrassing moments? All my life. I think we were joking with my. With Nicholas Kynastone and I was saying that I'm the Benny Hill of the organization because I always have funny moments and embarrassing and ridiculous moments. One of them, which has happened quite a few times, is I've fallen onto the stage while coming to. Wow. Actually I missed a step, so I landed in front of the organ. Oh, no way. Yes. On a broadcast. It was a radio broadcast. Luckily, they didn't Radio Night Television, so they only had the. The bum. They heard the bomb. Oh, my God. It was impossible to avoid. But the audience didn't laugh a lot. It was a full house. So I was expecting that they would burst into laughter. They must have been really polite and accommodating. Oh, my gosh. I think that's why I got very relaxed after that. So I was only thinking what embarrassing moment I had and not being nervous about. So the concert went amazingly, actually. Yes. But I will. I will never forget this moment. And I had a couple of moments like that, like missing a step. But the worst was when I had. I played recital at York Minster and I was doing my. I was wearing a pair of trousers and I was doing my Alexander technique before going on the stage. And actually the organ is on the balcony, so they cannot see you. But then you have to bow. And I heard the funny sound like. And my trousers actually split at the back, which was very, very embarrassing. I mean, luckily I had the cardigan with me, which I put on my waist and it was not visible, but it was a bit embarrassing moment. And I was more concerned about my pace turner and then thinking that I have to go downstairs and bow. But I think I covered it well. But it was very embarrassing. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I can't think of anything. Oh, mamma mia. All right, well, what is your next recording or collaboration? Well, I'm playing. First of all. First of all, we. We need to proceed with the editing of the three CDs, which will. I have done some work, but we will need to work more during August. And in August I play in Menorca. I love this island. I have been there quite a few times playing. And I will play again in their festival. And. Well, I think I will compare it with holidays as well. And I will stay someday in Barcelona. I adore Barcelona. And then I come back to the uk and then I'm playing in Leeds. But in the meantime, I hope that I will proceed with lots of work on the CD editing. CDs editing. And it will be released fairly soon and we're looking forward to it. Before saying goodbye to Eleni, we're gonna listen to a last track is Arbo My Heart is in the Highlands with Nikos Panatis and Eleni Cavinsido from the Robert Barnes poem and the upcoming third album Sam. Heart in the violence. My heart is not here. My heart. Ra. Satan sat satan. And this was Arbo part. My heart is in the Islands with Nikos Panatis and Eleni Cavancidu. 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