Hello and welcome to women’s radio station. I’m Dr Annette Greenwood, life coach and author. And on today’s show, Dr Annette talks, we are diving into what I think is a fascinating topic called healing the karmic wounds.

My guest is lovely Lorna Monroe, all the way from the beautiful Highlands of Scotland, and she’s going to hopefully demystify what this means and share with our listeners her personal journey. Lorna originates from the Scottish Highlands. She is a mother, grandmother and a beloved friend.

She’s an international best-selling award-winning author of Soothing Integrity as a Champion of Change, and she guides others from self-sacrifice to self-illumination by introducing them to their higher purpose as a mindset coach and Jean Key’s guide. Welcome, welcome, lovely Lorna Monroe. How are you today? Hello, amazing Annette, thank you.

It’s so good to be here. I’m very well today, thank you. The sun is shining just for any misconceptions about what the Scottish Highlands weather is all about.

Yeah, I know. It’s shining today as well for a change. No more rain, no more wind for at all in one go you understand, so I mean you’re no stranger to adversity.

There’s been marriage, there’s been alcohol, mental health, the fact now that you’re a mindset coach, and I want to know what a Jean Key is. So can we start at the beginning where you are happy to share with our lovely listeners about? There’s been some adversity with alcohol hasn’t there, and that’s been affected in your family, so can you talk us through what happened there? Okay, yeah sure. Well basically, you know, I’m from the north coast of Scotland, a very small village, and I came into a very fun-filled vibrant care for the existence, and I was to go on to become a sort of highly functional individual.

I was adored by a large family on both sides, and while experiencing lots of love and be known to me, there was also an unconscious sneaky delusional shadowy undercurrent masking a truth called alcoholism traveling alongside me. So it was basically an experiential journey that was to take me then to the gates of a personal hell further down the line. So, you know, I had no idea that as a highly sensitive child, yes, lots of things, I had entered the classic like fight, flight, or freeze phases through the systemic oppression, and I absorbed that into myself and into supposed adulthood living.

Yeah, so I had no idea that the building of this inner conflict and stress within society had rendered me an emotional cripple. So, you know, I have this belief that you have to work, work, work hard and lots of hours, and to get anywhere in life, and you know, you could party all weekend but work hard at the week. So I clearly then attracted similar types towards me.

I got married, I have three beautiful daughters, and but I was to be making choices that, you know, this inner reality of being an emotional cripple was going to create an outer reality one further down the line. So after like a serious car accident, I was literally physically rendered a bit of a cripple for some time. Do you want me to continue? Well, I’m just listening to this stage of your life there where you’re talking about the alcohol.

So it wasn’t you with the alcohol problem then? Well, I, we were, you know, I was trained, if you like, to, you know, the Scots are well renowned for their whisky Olympics and for being, you know, party animals. And so I was very much a party girl, and it was all fun. But, you know, I was to go on to experience a darker side to it.

I’m not against alcohol in any way, shape or form. However, you know, misinformation around the consequences of actions with it. It was very scary and fearful what I was given around that.

But yes, I did go on to marry someone with deep alcohol issues. And then after I got divorced, I continued, as we say, I went out of the frying pan and into the fire. And then this car crash occurred and that squared my own drinking.

You know, as the song goes, I knew deep within me that I was on the road to nowhere. But this physical pain later increased in drug taking of alcohol consumption and other substances for myself while I was in this wheelchair and clutches, going on into clutches. And this is where I’m like, so that physical pain triggered the mental unwellness as well within me.

I was, you know, a lot wired and insecure and neurotic and emotional. But I was convinced that my life was just fine if everybody would just listen to me. So I was basically trying to fix, fix, fix all the time.

Yeah. And I would imagine that as a young woman, as a child, the effects on you as the alcohol that was already manifesting in your life to your family and your mental health. So at a very young age, were you suffering with mental health problems then before you actually even went into adulthood? That’s a good question, Annette.

You know, I would say that I was spiritually stunted, you know, the spirit of the child through the environment I was in. As I said, it was fun-filled and vibrant, yet the undercurrents where maybe the adults in my life weren’t managing their lives very well. I could pick up on all that.

Was this highly sensitive? I was picking up all the time. And I was very attuned to the unseen worlds back then as well. And you know, it was like, the unseen worlds were as clear to me as the world I was in.

So my imagination then was shut down, I believe, as this young child, the spirited young child. So I don’t know mental health. I suppose there was a start of certain circumstances would cut a license to be coming to a crescendo later on in my life, in my 30s.

You know, it was the start of a journey. I wouldn’t say, no, as a teenager, I was, the stupidity of being clever sometimes, but you know, I was a straight-aged student coming into high school for a few years. I was pretty much an all-rounder and good at everything back then.

You know, I loved sport, I loved swimming, and I loved drama, singing and dancing. And then at 14, it seemed to, you know, my mum went on to have, my dad went on to have two other daughters till I was in my teenage years. So my dad worked away from home, and there must have been a lot of stress on my mum to try and keep the house going.

She was working as well. But back then, there was community, there was more community, and you know, they say it takes a village to raise a child, I guess. That was a blessing I had.

But there’s alcohol, you know, you don’t have to drink alcohol to suffer from the alcoholism. Well, I learned, you know, because it creates this emotional disturbance, a spiritual malady, if you like. Yeah, so it has this holistic effect, I believe, and it interferes with the psyche throughout life, and you know, the choices.

We all know that the choices will have reactions to the choices that we make. Absolutely. And it is a bystander.

So I’ve experienced this, you know, from some close family members as well. And it’s very difficult to watch a family member going through the struggles of denying that they’ve actually got a problem, and watching them, watching their behaviour change, and seeing how the alcohol is about to destroy not just their life, but other family members as well. So I can see it from both sides.

And as a young woman, or even in your 30s, and like you’re saying, you’re a straight-aged student, what at that point, what was the vision for your life? Because it looks like your path took a very different turn to what you thought it might after you’ve got married. So do you feel okay to share a little bit about the marriage, and how that was for you? Obviously, with the issues he had, and then the issues you’ve got as well. So you’ve got two things going on there.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I look back now, and I say that if I got married too young to the wrong reasons, I had a very strong sort of love-hate relationship with my parents, which a lot of kids do have anyway. And as a straight-aged student, I mean, I had lots of ideas.

I loved swimming. Initially, I wanted to be an Olympic swimmer. Sharon Davis was my hero, or heroine.

And then when I moved back, we had been living in Inverness, and we moved back to the village. There wasn’t this opportunity so much about time for me to take up the swimming again. So then I fancied being a clothes designer, and I entered competitions.

I remember entering the competition to give Susie Cottrow, for those of us of that age, remember Susie Cottrow? I do, yeah, I do. And they come. Yes, I gave a complete makeover, and I won it.

Do you remember My Guy magazine? Yeah. Well, I won it, and I won her album, and I was just like, I love music, I love clothes and stuff, and I thought, oh, I won. And it was always like, there was never enough money to go, of course, through this new baby, and then another one on the way.

I suppose I developed resentments that I didn’t even know I had at that point, to probably my sisters then. Although I adored them, I was just like, why can’t I do what I wrote to you? Anyway, I ended up going and doing something at college, I had no interest in, just to do something. And I felt that, at that time, I felt it’s very much a mom’s world.

So I’ll be a karma comic, because I love cars. I’ll go and be a karma comic. And then it’s like, oh, you can’t really do that, because by this time, my grades were slipping.

And you need to be really good at maths, Florida. Anyway, so I went and had a very colorful career in the work world. I just went from job to job to job, and then lots of different areas, ending up laterally in the caring profession.

Because, you know, when I was married, that’s why I was trying to do care for a husband, and looking out all the time. And I didn’t know about looking in. It was always looking out, and picking up on other people’s flaws.

And in the family disease of alcoholism, they say it’s a blaming illness. So my fingers were always pointing outwards. And so it takes two to tango, absolutely.

And, you know, it just, it dissolved. I mean, he was an Olympic athlete, but I married, and sadly, that’s the dark side of this disease, you know. I mean, eventually, that’s just beat away at him.

And to this day, he’s not a very well man, unfortunately. Yes, I can’t tell you his story. I can only tell you my part in that.

That sounds quite tragic, Lorna, an Olympic athlete, and the alcohol’s got him. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, and as I say, I would try and put into the fire, and where there had been a lot of aggression in the marriage from both of us, you know, there’s a lot of verbal abuse, aggression.

Then the next relationship, the physical abuse came in, the violence, police. This was after the car accident. It just progressively became worse and worse to that point of, I really, I had many suicidal thoughts before then.

But it came to a point then, it was just like, no, I really, I can’t do this anymore. I have to, I was plotting my own death, and it had to be secure that I could not come back from this. That was what, that’s where my mind took me to, you know, it’s like the situations I find myself in.

Yeah, that’s it. So, I mean, that’s quite dark, isn’t it? To be in that place, I experienced that myself, so I completely emphasise, and I’m sure anybody else listening going through that challenge of, you know, suicidal thoughts, you can’t help but be affected, can you, but you are here to tell the tale, you are here, and you’ve come back, isn’t you? Like a phoenix out of the ashes, I think, the saying is, isn’t it? And you’ve come back, and you’ve come back strong, and, you know, so you’ve had, you know, the alcohol, the domestic violence as well, and that in itself is a very scary place to be. One of the things I wanted to ask about, given this was so far back, and things have changed so much, because alcohol and domestic violence, there’s much more support out there.

Did you find at the time when you were going through this kind of dark night of the soul, if you like, did you find that those help out there available? Was there alcoholics anonymous, or was there something else? Because there’s so many things available now, I’m just curious to know how you managed to get the support to start to turn things around. Yes, thank you. Well, you know, I was being told, look in the mirror, Lorda, you know, you’ve got your own stuff going on, and I couldn’t see it, because I was deep in my own denial line, and so I went to alcohol counseling myself, and I kept changing my mind, the whole, I was changing my mind constantly, and so I went there, and I followed their protocol, and I was told, you don’t have a problem with alcohol, you’ve got a problem with the person you’re living with, and I was like, oh, really? And the All in On, which is the sister fellowship of alcoholics anonymous, it’s for friends and relatives of alcoholics, was suggested at that point, but right then I didn’t pick up on that, so I wasn’t in enough pain at that point.

So I did go there for about nine months, and it wasn’t mentioned again, I just thought All in On meant it was a short term for alcoholics anonymous, and I was adamant that I was not alcoholic, but I was perhaps living with one. I didn’t even know, I was very naive around the whole message of this 12-step program, but eventually I did follow through the doors of the All in On family groups, which is the 12-step program as well. But I was recognizing that by changing my mind, it was leading me to all these places, the bad, the ugly, but now I was in the good place, and my spirit again was once ignited, yet I still had this lack of fulfillment within me, there was still this feeling of a hole in my soul.

So I sat in there and going to these rooms, these meetings for about six years, and intellectually I got it. I really got what it was about, and at the beginning somebody had said to me the finger, you’re pointing at others, there’s three pointing back at you, and that was a massive epiphany for me, and I realized then that this, I was here for me, not for anybody else, I couldn’t change anybody else. Yet, six years later while studying these steps, when I came to the third one, it was like, but the third step was, we made the decision to hand our life and our role in our life forward to the care of God as we understood Him.

And at that time, I had this great adversity to God and what that meant, and I was still, I was ingrained in religious dogma from being churched, if you like. So I was just like, oh I did not, for me it was, I had this car accident because I was a bad person, you know, I was such a victim, I’m sort of sitting here clenching right now thinking about it. Yet, that was the journey I took, and I know there’s many that are still on that journey actually, and these are the people I would love to help and guide, but as I say, I still had this sort of feeling of, there’s a fulfillment not there.

So on the third step, I had this amazing out-of-body experience that, you know, I can’t really give words to, but it was a major changing point in my life at that point with this third step, which took me then into the realms, back into these unseen realms, the metaphysical world, the quantum field, the, you know, as this child I had known the unseen friends until I was, you know, told to stop speaking with them because they were not real, but I knew in all my heart that they were as real as those that were telling me they weren’t real, you know, and I had this feeling then I knew I was on some sort of mission, but I couldn’t tell anybody about this experience because I was convinced that I might get sectioned and locked up and, you know, I was in a bit of a turmoil then, but thank God for the people in Alinon, the women that I had around me at that point, to keep guiding me and loving me and walking me through as gently as they could, but I didn’t know gentleness back then, I didn’t know what gentleness meant, but I just, I was always trying to force things to happen and anyway, it kept me changing my mind, it kept me respecting, having a deeper respect for the wisdom of the elders, if you like, you know, and a respect for these unseen realms as well, and so in some cases, particularly when there was the way you were at the alcohol stage and you were at Alinon and everything, and you’re on the third step and you are seeing visions then, so for most of us, myself included, who are interested in not just the physical, we can see spiritual, that can be a scary place to be when it first happens and also for you in that place already, you know, where you are, you’re dealing with a battle with alcohol, this dark side, you’re then seeing visions, if you like, and that’s why you’re saying you were frightened that you might be sectioned, and that is the sort of thing I’m talking about, the injustice of, and actually the reality of people who do say, who are able to give messages from the spirit world or have insights, you don’t have to have been drinking to do it, and it’s a scary thought to think that you might be sectioned as a result of that, I mean, that must have been one horrendous place to be, is all I can say at that time. Yes, it was, it was scary, very scary. And then from there, you then have a car accident as well.

Well, I’d already had the car accident. Okay. Yeah, I’d already had the car accident in about 30, I was age 34, so like for the next four years, that’s when I see I went through the gates of hell, and through that, and, but yet, I came to Allen on at the age of 38, and sat there for about six, five, six years, and then so in my early 40s, when I had this experience, I was like, who do I tell? How can I tell anybody? But luckily for me, this is where I see the unseen world at work, because the right people started, was dead at the right time, you know, and I found somebody that knew exactly, well, not exactly, but she had a very similar experience.

So she was able to guide me that I wouldn’t need to. I was back and forth still at this point, and I am at the doctors for antidepressants. Before that, I was telling them that these antidepressants weren’t working.

I was still, I still had this feeling of a hole in my soul. But luckily as well for me there, the doctor, she had suggested psychiatry, and I was like, no, no, no way. I know what happens when you go to psychiatry, down the psychiatry route, because I’d seen it within my own family, and I was not prepared to go down that way.

So I kept betting up against people that didn’t understand me, but in Allen on, they did understand me, mostly understood me. And I had a place there, a place to feel safe and secure. And I realized I didn’t, I never did feel safe and secure throughout my whole life.

There was something underneath that didn’t make me feel safe. But through this journey of the 12 steps, and having that experience at step three, you know, a lot of people call it an awakening. And it’s all very well having an awakening.

But I think that’s where the deep shadow work really kicked in, because everything’s held in the body, you know, the body holds the score. So it’s all held within the body. So yeah, I was very blessed then to keep moving, keep changing my mind, and through the guidance of the seed and the unseen realms, you know, and building a trust on my own inner guidance, my own intuition, it became alive again within me, and things were moving forward then.

And I just wanted to say this, that if anybody’s listening, any listeners or they know anybody who is in a difficult place with alcohol, that Al-Anon still exists, doesn’t it, Lorna? It’s still out there and still supporting people. So if you feel that you’re alone on a journey, just listen to what Lorna is saying, because Al-Anon might just be the thing that helps you to turn your life around, as it has been part of it to do with, well, it’s part of it’s turned your life on, Lorna, hasn’t it? But you’ve been doing, you’ve been doing all sorts of training and things as well, you’ve written a book which we’re going to talk about, and you’re very proud of your book, but one of the things that we spoke about is your love or your passion about young people and sharing with them how they can go on a different journey, they don’t have to be where you’ve been, you’ve been there, you’ve experienced it, and you want to get that kind of message out there. So how are you wanting to do that? Are you wanting to do that by training, by education? What would be your, you know, your vision or your desire to be able to do it? Another good question.

Yeah, well, so through changing my mind, as you like to say, Al-Anon, I say it’s my foundation, it was like I had crumbled and then I had to build myself back up again through these 12 steps. So I didn’t, you know, I didn’t say that Al-Anon is for the friends and families of alcoholics, AA is for the actual alcoholic, and the 12 steps are the same apart from the last step, there’s just one word that’s different. So I felt that there was quite a bit of separation, if you like, division, although we had lots of conventions where everybody would come together.

And for me, it’s about bringing families back together again, families seem to be separated and divided, especially where these, these dis-eases, it’s a, you know, it’s an unease and it’s a restlessness within a family. That’s why I mean, you don’t have to drink to suffer from it because it could have been somewhere else in your ancestry further back, you know, but these character traits play out through, through the families in some ways. So I feel that everything, it should start, everything, forget that word, should, I feel that families is the place where it starts, at home, home is where the heart is and it’s in the family home.

And if we can educate maybe teenagers more around the, there is a dark side as well as a good side, and it’s the information, there’s so much information, as we said earlier, out there for them, but you know, maybe going into schools and sharing our stories, sharing what’s happened and how we’ve come through it, how we’ve come through that adversity and sharing a little bit of that and hopefully you catch somebody. And yes, developing programmes, developing courses perhaps on teaching people. I mean, I, I don’t know, I think I’m moving into my janky stuff now, but because through that 12 steps it took, we arrived at then the, the golden path of what’s called as a gene case and I trained in math.

So it’s for us to realise that we are responsible ourselves and to have that good guidance in the first, I mean, there’s a lot of stuff out there now about the first seven years of our lives and about nature and nurture and if, you know, the womb for when they’re carrying the child and we know now that the child in the womb is hearing what’s going on outside it and so when it comes into the world to give it that loving environment that nurtures and guides into, into the future of the child so that they can make really well informed choices. Am I making sense here at all? Absolutely making sense, there’s a I was speaking to somebody recently who’s got a little girl and she’s got challenges and I think she had actually, she was born with alcohol fetal syndrome, is it? And she’d been fostered from a very young age and I said, well, the foster parents took her on in, she was so many months old, it wasn’t like she was five, six or seven and I said, how on earth can she be like this? And they said exactly what you were saying that the trace in it back to being in the womb, it was a domestic violent relationship, the mum drunk, you know, drank heavily alcohol and so the child’s been born with the alcohol fetal syndrome and it’s now manifesting itself in a variety of ways but that’s been developed hasn’t it over the years through, I guess, through science and exploration. It’s not something that we would have thought of years ago that always blame somebody and point the finger at somebody then wouldn’t they? But now we’ve got this evidence and I don’t know where you want to go next in terms of, because do you want to talk about your book? And then we can go into talking about the gene team and being a mindset coach.

So tell us about your book Living in Three Day, what does that stand for? Okay, so well the title of the book is Living in Three Day, Drink, Drugs and Denial and for anybody that’s in the world of consciousness or quantum physics or metaphysical stuff, it’s, you know, it’s a plane of consciousness and a low frequency vibration if you like, you know, a low energy. So that’s what the book title really means, it’s about living in those dark places in the denial within that drink and drugs culture. It’s having a fixed mindset of beliefs that’s low frequency and it, you know, the body can become really unwell if you keep living in that vibration of the third dimension.

As we see, if you’re moving into the fourth, fifth dimensions, you’re just, but I believe as energy beings, we’re just flowing in and out of these different dimensions anyway. So the book’s based on that lower frequencies, if that makes sense. And when you talk about lower frequencies, so absolutely from depression in the past and anxiety, so you would say that’s a low frequency at the time, isn’t it? Because you’ve got all these horrendous thoughts going on in your head and you’re caught up in them, you’re caught up in that journey of what’s going on in your head rather than being in your body.

And that’s a difficult place to be. But the idea of, and again, some listeners might not be all fair and understanding about vibrational frequency. So that’s a fascinating place to educate yourself on or be curious about, isn’t it? Because it’s only when you start to get into it and then you realize about thoughts and frequencies and if you’re always looking on the dark side of life, that’s where you kind of stay in that.

I mean, there’s so much stuff going on in the world, Lorna, isn’t there? We cannot sit here and pretend that it’s all nice and rosy. There’s just no way we can do that. But we can, and if I use the word transcend, I don’t mean that we’re going to float off, but transcend above what’s going on and look at the things that we can do, the things that we can change, including how we perceive things and how we deal with things.

So being in a different vibrational frequency, that leads into that, doesn’t it? Well, from my experience, what are your thoughts? Yes, well, it’s like, you know, some days you can feel a bit flat and you’re like, you could suggest that your energy is lower, but I’ve not got the energy for that. We know that time when you walk into a room and you can sense that there’s something not quite right in that room, somebody might be in a bad mood and you know it, you just know it, you can feel it in your senses. So yeah, and then the thoughts and the feelings are on this perpetual loop, a biological loop within you that one feeds the other.

I mean, what came first, the chicken or the egg? It’s like, was it the thought or the feeling that came first? Yet our bodies hold on to all of the feelings if we don’t just allow them to pass through us, and that’s where you get into the whole mindfulness and meditation place, and that’s where I started with the 12 Steps as well, actually, that came into getting into that place to maybe slow the mind down, because every year I was going to talk to her and asking for volume because my head was so busy, and this was every November, and you know, when I did dig into my past, it came back to that my mother near miscarded me in November, so talking about the room situation, you know, everything is connected to everything else, I believe, like you say, that a lot of people don’t hear that just yet, because maybe it’s the journey that they have to take, and you know, as guides and coaches, how do we take them to that place? And I always just say by changing my mind, because so when I was writing the book, I was realizing that whether I went into the dark places or whether I went into a more higher energy feeling place, like feeling good and a place of laughter and joy, it was through changing my mind that I got to these places. And yeah, so the book was just, it’s a story of my journey of coming out of those places, coming through those places through that 12 steps, and it wasn’t easy, yet it shows that you can’t do it alone, and it’s like to have support and other people around you, and that’s when we’re in this together, you know, that I mean, that freeze became very well known in 2020, as we know, but it’s always been the case for me. What’s your wish for the book? Because can you tell people how they can access your book, how they could get hold of a copy? Can you do that for us first? Yeah, well, it’s on the usual Amazon, it’s on many different good reads, I don’t know the amount of, there’s a lot of platforms it’s available on, but Amazon seems to be the main one people use on good reads.

You can order it through Waterstones as well, I believe, and if anybody wanted to get in touch with me, I can always post a copy and sign it, if they wanted. I’ve just signed one last night for somebody, I sing with a local choir, she didn’t even know that I’d written the book, so this is the year I’m going to launch the book, because I have my own journey with the book as well, of when we’re talking about healing the karmic wound, one of the woundings I had was a fear of rejection, so I had to reject the book myself at first, but even after it won two awards, I still was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and do you know what, and it was through my granddaughter who was nine at the time, and she told me she read my book, and that’s when it dawned on me that I had written that book from my place of about nine year old, because that’s where the fight, flight and please started for me, my own life, so yeah, that was an interesting discovery for me. Absolutely, and it sounds like you’ve poured all of this journey into the book living in 3D, and I think that’s an offer that nobody could refuse, is to get a signed copy from the lovely loner, I would say, but it does, and I don’t think you have to have an alcohol problem to actually read it, because we all have things going on in our lives, with or without alcohol, whether it be family, work or otherwise, and you can find yourself living in 3D, can’t you, without the alcohol side of it? Yes, yes, it doesn’t, that’s what I mean, you don’t have to drink alcohol, suffer from the alcoholism, it might have been somewhere else in your life, you may have left a relationship, I know somebody that who left a relationship with an alcoholic, and this was a man that left a woman that had alcohol issues, and there’s a lot more women these days as well, it seems to be that, or suffering from this, because you know, it was all underground a lot of the time, and it seemed to be more about the men, but there’s more women now, and I think a lot of women, and especially in my own case, I came across as being sicker than the actual alcoholic, because they can be immersed in the alcohol, so they get off with the eat, oh well, you know, they were drunk, and you can forgive them easier, but when you’ve got a mother, there’s more shame attached to it, I feel, and then, you know, when I was going through my own period of heavy drinking, to quell the pain that was in my body, you know, I had a lot of physical stuff going on after I’d been smashed up with a, you know, fractured skull, and a femur that had exploded in this car accident, and that pain was numbed out, and I had to go back and experience that pain only within the last five years, while that pain rose to the surface, so yeah.

The car accident sounds pretty scary and pretty horrendous, I mean, it sounds like we were left with some serious injuries by the sound of it. Yes, I was at the time, you know, but I sugarcoated a lot of that when I moved back, you know, because you’re trained, just get on with it, keep quiet, just get on with it, and they, you know, play it down, and we Scottish Highlanders, there’s a lot of pain in our history, and I do notice that we sort of sugarcoat a lot of the pain. And was that another part of your journey then, to embrace the pain, the physical pain? Yes.

She said you’re in a wheelchair, how long were you in the wheelchair? I wasn’t in a wheelchair that long, on and off for about four months, and then I progressed to different, the different clutches that you get, the wooden ones, and then the, but what had happened for me was my leg hadn’t healed properly, and I had to go in, and I had about five operations on my leg in total, because they couldn’t find what was wrong, but the bone hadn’t healed, because the bone had been obliterated at the time, the, their word was, your bones exploded, it’s been obliterated, it wasn’t just a break in my leg, it was just, so they had to put these metal rods into my leg, so, yeah. But you know, and I went on, and at the age of 49, I started running, I entered marathons, and I did a triathlon, and so I just want to let people know that there always is life after, life after death, if you like, because it felt like an inner death, it felt like I had just died inside myself, and once that spirit was reignited again, the real spirit this time, not the spirit of alcohol, I came back from that, and that’s why I moved into, well, I’ve just been intuitively led by the god of my understanding now, which is an inner world, it’s like, yes, it’s through the unseen worlds, but it’s, I have a acronym, and it’s G-O-D, and it’s gifts of divinity, and I believe that each and every one of us that’s even listening to this is, is that, is a gift of divinity, and that’s what my aim is now, is to guide people back to themselves, to their true selves, you know, with love and compassion, who we’re truly meant to be, and let people know that you can come back from this adversity, and I’m hoping to be involved this year with the local Mikey’s line, which is a local charity that was set up for families around suicide, and because of my own journey, I want to, you know, my book, I wanted to be moneys to go towards, but that charity is a local charity to help them out. The Scottish Highlands has got the highest rate of suicide, which is actually in young men, so this is why I say the young mothers, there’s a lot of young mothers, and parents, young parents, I have to watch my wording now, so it’s young parents having children, and to inform them of, you know, I mean, they are the creators of their own lives, and that, through making their choices, I don’t think I was ever guided around that, to be honest, I don’t remember being guided, but my, I was the creator of my own world, I was just told what to do all the time, not given real good guidance on how to do it.

Yeah, and wasn’t there always that, be seen and not heard, you know, there’s always, that was one of my mother’s favourite scenes of me being seen and not heard. I had to found my own voice later, but what inspires me so much about what you’re saying of your journeys, you’ve almost had two journeys here, one with the alcohol, then the car accident, and you’ve come back from that, and I know you are totally fit, you walk and run everywhere, so for anybody who feels that they’re limited by an injury, or you’re incapacitated for whatever reason, depending on obviously what it is, you can come through the other side of that, and you can, maybe you don’t want to be a marathon runner or anything, but you can improve your physical fitness, and that kind of leads me into both of these examples, and everything else together in this whole melting pot, that has led you into this introducing people to their higher purpose as a mindset coach, so I suppose it’s how long’s a piece of string, I know that, because there’s so much to do with in coaching and the things that we can share with people, but how does that work in practice, being a mindset coach? Is it you’re taking somebody who’s thinking, as we were saying before, they’re in a low vibrational frequency, get your teeth in a net, and then are you changing their mindset so they are going on to a higher frequency and thinking differently? Well it’s usually for high highly functional individuals like myself that maybe they’re getting lost in work, workaholics, or you know they’re just looking for any excuse to be out of the home, or maybe they’re not, maybe they’re just people that have individuals that have less to marriage, and they think they’re okay, but they’ve got that feeling of being unfulfilled, they’re still stressed out and anxious about life and the future, so the way I do it is, like I say, I’m a Jean Keys guide, so it’s based on the ancient philosophy of the I Chien and astrology, so it’s like a snapshot of when they were born, and I can show them their own potentials of their higher purpose. Jean Keys, they’re just like a magical map that will help people to understand themselves better, so just imagine that, you know, there’s just special codes inside all of us, and it’s like a secret language that’s made up of our genes, and these genes hold the key to unlocking the unique talents and qualities.

By wanting to change your mind, by wanting change in your life, so Jean Keys can help us to go in and explore the codes, revealing all the amazing things that make us who we are, and it’s like discovering a whole treasure chest of superpowers that live within us, and the more we can understand, the better we can be at being our awesome selves. That sounds quite scientific as well, is it? Is it science-based? Because it’s like, wow, Jean Keys, it sounds like you’re going into my DNA, and he’s going to do all this and find this, and do you know what I mean? Yes, it covers everything, and it covers all like traditions, so, you know, it’s got a totally new modern slant on religion and science, these two philosophies that are changing so rapidly in our world today, you know, and taking us into that different bands of frequencies, so, you know. Yeah, and you spoke earlier about quantum physics and things, so does quantum physics tie into this anywhere? Well, it could do, but I think because it gives us these three bands of frequencies, so it shows us that like lower frequency, if you like, of our shadows, but within that shadows, we’ve got the seed of the divine gift, being that god that I call the acronym gift of divinity, and it walks you through your, it’s like a compass, you’re given a compass of your own life, and you can follow it at your own pace, and you know, so I could take people through that over a couple of weeks, or whatever it is, we just work together, it’s like having a travel guide with you, and you go off on it, it’s called the golden path journey into yourself, and then, you know, you can join the community, or there’s different options that you can go, and you realize, you’ll not recognize your shadows, because everybody does, and then you’ve got this gift that we all have as well, so we’re wanting to release them into the world, so that’s a bit of a higher frequency, there’s different, it’s like tuning into the radio here, and you know, remember when you used to, I don’t know about you, but it was like Radio Luxembourg, I was always trying to find it, Radio Luxembourg, and it would be like, and you’d be hearing all those different voices until you got it right in the button for Radio Luxembourg, so it was nice and clear, well, jingies are a bit like that, you know, you can go through all this interference, and agitation, and confusion, and constriction, and then you come up into a higher plane of existence with your gifts, and you just, it’s very gentle, it’s very, it’s just about allowing yourself to feel, and to accept it, and to embrace it, and I mean, I’ve been on this journey for about six, seven years now with them, and it, you know, I don’t rely on them per se, but it’s good to know that this higher purpose is within all of us, within these divine gifts, and yeah, the more of us that are journeying with this, you know, there will be more peace in the world, because we will, we will heal the peace that needs to come within ourselves, and then we will experience it out with, that’s my belief anyway, that’s my humble opinion.

It’s a very good one, Laura, and I mean, I would say, what would you say to somebody who might be listening, who doesn’t think they have a higher purpose, who is in their day-to-day job, and we all know, in life, you’ve got mortgage to pay, rent to pay, bills to pay, and they’re in what they see as a mundane job, it might be, you know, whether it be stacking shelves in a supermarket, or it might be, you know, people are unhappy in all sorts of careers, where we might be going, wow, it’d be fabulous to do that, so for somebody who’s in this job, or in their life, and they’re feeling stuck, and they’re going, well, what are they talking about? I haven’t got a higher purpose, I mean, God, I’m going to be stuck here filling shelves for the rest of my darn life, what would you say to people like that, how being a mindset coach or jinkies could help them? You know, it’s as simple as this, are you willing to change your mind? You know, are you willing to change your mind? Just to ask yourself that question, and if the answer is yes, you know, there is plenty, you can go and seek that out, you know, like we say coaches or guides, you know, if anybody is living with the anxiety within a family where there may have been alcohol issues or not, but they’re still feeling that way and anxious and they want to get out of that job, I mean, me and you, we are prime examples that you can do that, so yeah, just ask yourself, are you willing to change my mind? And that question, sometimes, and from my own experience, and probably yours to begin with, that we’ve both been on this journey for many, many years, the first thing you’re thinking is, why should the man needs to change, you know, it’s, you know, it’s the neighbour over the road, my goodness, every day she comes out and she’s washing her wall down and she’s putting subs all over the front of my car, or it’s down to my partner to change. I mean, there are some that don’t get me wrong, Lorna, you, we’ve both been through domestic violent relationships in the past, and there’s something there about it’s not just down to us to make those changes, per se, they’re the ones being violent, but it’s down to us as the people in it to make that change in our own life, whether it be walk away, report it to the police, get help from IDAS or wherever, but it’s down to us to make that change, and you can stand there until you’re blue in the face and expect that other person to change, and it’s not going to happen unless they’re willing to. That’s right, absolutely, absolutely, and I can only share my own experience as I say, so when that person said to me that finger you’re pointing at the other person, I mean, call it a metaphorical finger if you like, you don’t need to actually be doing that, there’s always three pointing back at me, so there’s more pointing back at me than there is pointing at you, or the woman across the road, or the man down the street, and I have to keep bringing myself back to that, I can still find myself in these bitchy places, I’m human, you know, I can still find myself there, and it’s to have that awareness, I think, to catch myself before I start blubbing things out, and I’m not always 100% myself, yet I can make amends and make apologies as and when needed as a human being, yeah, life can be tough, life can be tough, and that’s how do we navigate through it.

And isn’t there something about that raw honest conversation there with yourself, or in this conversation, yeah I’m not perfect is what you’re saying, nobody, nobody on a path of self development, or personal development, or spirituality, goes without having days where things absolutely bind them up, you’d be unhuman, I mean, I know my own teacher, he’s a Zen Buddhist, years and years and years, and there’s times I look at him and say, do you ever, you never get cross at all, ever, and he just sits and looks at me and I’m like, oh, whatever, obviously not, obviously not, but you know, if you’re going to the supermarket and you drop something on your tone, somebody bangs you in the back, and you know, you come out to school and the kids are doing all what they’re supposed to be, and you’re electric, everybody’s going to have days like that, and you’re just going to have to put that behind you, but it’s the emotional impacts of that, and how you deal with it, isn’t it, when you’re in a much more aware of your feelings and your emotions, and it’s about accepting at that time that this is what’s happening, isn’t it, well in my experience, and it sounds like it is in yours as well. So we live in a fast-paced world that wants everything now, and it’s not like that, I don’t believe it’s patience, to be patient and gentle with ourselves, while we make these inquiries into our own psyche and have people that could be there to support us when we fall to get up, fuck up again, and yeah, I need people that are not in my own life, you know. We all do, don’t we? I mean, it can be a community, you know, it can be whatever it needs to be to help you support.

There’s always, and I’ve done this myself in the past, and I’ve stood there and gone, right, that’s fine, I’ll do it on my own then, not mine, you know, dig my heels in and do it by myself, but actually, there are certain things you can do by yourself, you’ve got to go through this journey with the right support, the right guys, the right mentors, but it’s still you, you have to delve into that, don’t you, that journey, and that can be the fear of, oh, I’m going to have to face things, I’m going to have to deal with things, but actually, she started doing that, it becomes second nature, you almost become this person who says, right, I’m going to deal with this, because if you don’t, you’re staying stuck all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I know, I know you’re not stuck now, you are in a much better place, but we’ve got about three minutes over left, but I wanted to, ask you about your singing, because that’s about vibrational frequency, isn’t it? Yes.

That is about, it’s a choir, and I don’t know about everybody else, but I’ll tell you what, when I hear choirs, I always start to cry, so there’s something within that frequency that makes me want to cry. Yes, I was doing, I was singing last night, we were singing this weekend in the local community, we were on traitors, so if everybody’s into traitors, I’ve never watched it, but we were singing on it the other night, last week, we had a little clip on traitors, so apparently that’s the big thing of the telly right now. It is, I haven’t watched it, but every day when I’ve been out driving in the car today, it’s on all the time, I’m like, what is it? What is it? I’ve not seen this myself.

I have to confess, I have it. I watched it the first night, because we were singing on it, we were on the British one, and the American one, so yes, we had a little clip in there, it was very exciting. So we’ve been on the BBC a few times, actually.

How exciting is that? Well done. And I also hear, you’ve got a celebration coming up in February as well, haven’t you? Oh I do, yes, my birthday. Very, very exciting.

I think that’s what you’re talking about, yes. I am, I am, I didn’t want to say anything, I didn’t want to mention dates or anything like that, I didn’t want to do anything like that at all, but just wanted to drop that one in. It’s so funny, I just looked at the clock and it says 10-10, and my birthday’s on the 10th of February, and I was born at 10 past 10, on the 10th.

What I would like to say is, I thank you, the lovely Lorna, for sharing all this information with us, and giving us insight and inspiration. I’d also like to remind people to tune in to Dr Annette Greenwood talks at women’s radio station, you can find us on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn, probably Twitter and everything else. So I’d like to say thank you to lovely Lorna, sending my loving blessings to everybody until next time.