Open Discussion – Theatre Vs Cinema Age And Beauty Tatoos

Hello and welcome to Open Discussion with the three js. That's me, Julia, Judith and Joy. And this morning we are going to be discussing cinema versus theatre. Well, that's what we're going to start with. I'm sure we won't stay on that subject. I don't have any preferences, actually. I like both equally. So I'm quite happy, it depends on my mood. I'm quite happy to go to the cinema on my own or the theatre on my own and. But just recently I've been. Because I've been tied up doing something else, I've not had time to do any theatre or cinema visits and I'm actually feeling that there's a lot to catch up on at the moment. There's so many good films around the theaters. I mean, there's so much to see in the theatre. I mean, I could go out, out every evening of the week, probably the cinema. I like to go in the afternoon to the cinema if I'm available. It's lovely, you get loads. Or an early evening. The theatre I'm not so worried about. I can go to the evening performance or a matinee. But there's something about the cinema where you feel, yeah, I like to retreat from the world, especially if it's bad weather. You think, oh, no, let's go and do something. And sort of, I think, might be to do with the warmth of the cinema. I like the adverts, I like the whole experience, you know, buying a coffee or a drink. There's an interesting crossover now, isn't there, with these viewings of plays in cinemas. They're sort of trying to get people more interested in the theatre by bringing it to the movie. And they are really good, aren't they? I've seen a few. They're really quite. Well, I haven't actually managed to get to one yet. I did try and book something up and I was tardy and I actually didn't get a seat. But it seems as though it's a brainchild of somebody to get more people going to the theatre, to introduce them to what's happening out there beyond the movie screen. And it's not just the theatre, it's the opera, you know, ballet. I'd like to go and see an opera at the cinema because it's very expensive to go to the opera. Absolutely. And I think this is particularly good for people who live in the provinces who have a limited access to the theatre, because it is all happening in London. But it's also that it can be quite expensive. To go to the theatre. So it's nice to have that cheaper option and maybe it's a more relaxed experience. Like you were saying, Julia, going to the cinema, where you just go and kind of. In a rainy afternoon and you go and relax there. Whereas the theatre's a more formal occasion. Well, I mean, the theatre, the. I was listening to something on Radio 4 yesterday about the lack of toilets in theaters for women. Oh, yeah. And the New Bridge Theatre, which is near London bridge, has got 30 toilets for women. For women. And everyone was saying how wonderful it was. Because that's the problem with the theater. You, unlike the cinema, they seem to have more, you know, more sort of toilets there. But the theatre, you're lucky if you have two per floor. I think that applies to the older Victorian theatres in London. I think the new theatres that have been built have more toilets, like, certainly. Like the Barbican has more. And the national bars. So it is a problem going back to the past, maybe, when women didn't go to the theatre as much and it was the toilet. No, maybe it was too much of a hassle to, you know, if you're wearing a long dress, petticoats and things. You didn't. But, yeah, I think the toilets must have been a recent addition to the old theatres, possibly. And maybe you're right, women didn't go that often. I have no idea. Yeah, I hadn't thought about all those sort of crinolines and skirts and petticoats. That's a different topic, actually, Women's toilets facilities. Because I know at the Old Vic Theatre at the moment, they've got. I think they're trying to raise money to improve the toilets at the Old Vic. I don't know how they're going to do it because they have got limited space there and it costs a lot of money to do that. So I think they are having a fundraising. That was where we went recently, wasn't it? There was this huge queue and I sort of hesitated to ask this woman on the stairs and I said, is this the queue for the look? She said, yes, and it went all the way up this staircase. But the thing is, when I was there and there was a big queue downstairs, I went to the toilets upstairs and there wasn't a queue, so everybody was actually queuing. But that's what we were trying to do. That's what we thought we'd go upstairs. But there was still this huge queue. Oh, right. Because sometimes they do that. People seem to just queue at one set of toilets and the Rest. And the other thing I've come across quite frequently, ladies public toilets, which is really irritating, is you go in, there's a long queue and then after everybody stood there for a while, realise they're actually not occupied and people have been too polite just to go and try them and see, they just keep joining the queue and that's ridiculous. And they get very irritated if you say, look, I think some of them may not be occupied and they like you're trying to push in or something. What do you think about the push for all people to use all toilets if they so identify? I think that's fine. I mean, I did go to the theatre recently to see a musical and there was someone in there who was identifying as a woman and was a transsexual. And I would just say that because they were kind of tall and there was just something about that manner. But they were beautifully dressed, had a. She has a beautiful dress on that she clearly made herself and her hair and everything was just stunning. And I just ended up talking to her and saying, oh, what a lovely dress you're wearing. And in that case, even though I did feel strongly that she was a transsexual, I actually felt no way bothered by that person being in the ladies or in any way felt threatened by them. In fact, I think they felt more vulnerable than I did because I think there was clearly something in the manner that they were worried about being challenged. And that kind of experience I'm fine about. But if men kind of start barging in and they've got beards and masculine clothes and say, oh, yeah, I'm coming in here because I'm a woman, that is kind of changing what is a female environment into what could become a threatening environment. You know, I don't want men who are clearly men in female spaces. That guy that identified as a woman and he was a rapist and insisted on going to the female prison, went there and sort of proceeded to sort of rape another couple of the female prisoners. I mean, I don't understand how the powers that be could actually have allowed that kind of thing to happen. I think things like that happen because of mistakes and also it can be due to over political correctness, but things like that shouldn't be happening. And I think there's a clear concern that if people can just self identify as another gender, you've got a risk of doing that. And men who are abusers and rapists are very pernicious and very devious, as are pedophiles and people. So I think There does have to be some protection. But if there is somebody who genuinely feels that they're female and, you know, their. You know, their manner and their appearance is. But they may be screaming out. That doesn't actually bother me. No, I agree with you there. But what about. I mean, I've been in quite a few toilets recently. Where. Not necessarily at the theater, but in maybe pubs where the toilets are gender neutral. But they're just usually one toilet. No, there's. There's like a row of toilets. In fact, there was one in a pret. Actually. Yeah. I think they had two or three toilets and they were like men or women. Yeah, but the individual toilets are just separate, aren't they? Oh, yes, they're separate. But they are anyway, aren't they? You don't. So there wasn't a commute. It was an area where there was a communal wash basin then. Yeah, there was a communal wash basin. There was. The wash basin wasn't in the toilet. It was area. It was in, you know, there was like. You still had to go into this room. Yeah, but the toilets were. There's like a corridor almost. Yeah. And then each. Each toilet was separate. Very nicely, you know, done. But, you know, it had that sign where it's either men or women. The thing is, as long as there aren't the. What are they called? The things that the men use? Urinals. The urinal. As long as there's not a urinal in there. Oh, no. And people are just standing there. I've got no objection at all. Yeah, no, I don't think it must. If they're just in a row of individual toilets, I don't think that's a problem. I don't see that that can offend anybody, really. Except I think men can be rather sloppy when they're using toilets and you can end up with puddles on the floor and like that. Don't go there, don't go there. But you have to, really. They should be taught etiquette. If it's gender neutral, if you want to use this stuff, you see, you've got to sit down. Not necessarily sit down, but just be careful. And then clean up after yourself if there is a splash. Because there was somebody I knew years ago and she insisted if any mail came into her flat and used her loo, they all had to sit down. They weren't allowed to stand up. How did she monitor that? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I don't think I would say that to a man because it's making Someone feel uncomfortable? I mean, I wouldn't like a man saying, I had to stand up. It's a different reason, isn't it? But not all men are like that. No, no, no, they're not. It's a, it's. I should imagine alcohol taken on board doesn't help with the aim. I think it does. Yeah. I think that's, that's a problem. If it's a drinking establishment, then, yes, it gets a bit of net. So apparently what I was going to say to Julia. Well, can I, can I se. To sort of. Can I just make one comment on it? Apparently there's, it's interesting, but apparently German men sit down to go to the toilet. Okay. So that, so maybe that could be suggested. Could be suggested for gender neutrality. Retraining baby boys. Yeah, you sit down when you go to the loo. Now, I just read an article recently about a Dutch guy that said if you can choose your. Your gender, you can choose your age. And he wants to claim that he's 20 years younger than he actually is. But maybe we could carry on with this. That was so he could go on Tinder and get dates with younger women. Yeah, typical. It's never bothered older men before, has it? So. 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We're currently welcoming donations to help towards our running costs to keep this important initiative alive. To donate, simply head to our website. Every little will help. Hello, welcome back to open discussion with the Three Js. Well, we were trying to talk about the theatre versus cinema and then we sort of meandered into identifying into toilet humour. Yeah, genderless toilets. But then you said something interesting about, well, this guy, this Dutch guy said, well, if you can identify as a different gender, why can't you identify as a. So I don't. If you look at, there was this photograph of him and he's 69 and he said, I don't think I look 49. I don't look 69. So he said, why can't I identify as 49? Because when I go on dating websites, girls are still interested in me. If I go. If I'm 49. The thing is, I don't know why he's concerned about lying on Tinder, because from what I've heard, most people lie on Tinder and they don't even put the right photographs of themselves and what they really like so why he has to make a legal case just for going on dating sites, I don't understand. I don't think he was going to court. I think he was just airing. I think he did go to court. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. I think he's trying to make a case that you can choose. But I mean, I kind of do empathize with him because as an older woman, I feel people have stereotypes about what an older woman is. And I don't feel that that's me, the way I dress or the way I am. It's still me, the same person I was when I was younger. And I do feel I have faced discrimination, particularly I'd say, in getting employment. That does upset me because that's affecting my finances as the pension age has been shoved up. I don't worry if young people don't want to talk to me because they think I'm an older person, because they're probably the sort of people I don't want to engage with anyway. And I think there are plenty of younger people that are still interested in talking to me. But I can see that point about you are what you are yourself at a certain age. Not a stereotype, because some of us look after ourselves better than others or address themselves. Our whole system is geared to assessing a certain amount according to our age, though, isn't it? Our education system says that, you know, when you reach the age of 10, 11, you're ready to move, move into this kind of education when you're 17. Yeah. But I do think there is this denial that a lot of people reach at a certain age of that people now don't want to look older. They don't want to accept they are older. They don't like the fact that they can't get certain jobs because they feel they're being discriminated against. They don't like it, that maybe young people do judge them by their physical appearance. Because even though you keep yourself young in your dress or whatever or your attitudes, you know, you are the age you are to a younger person. You know where. Because I noticed this. Cause I was directing a play recently with people who most of them were a lot younger than me. There was a few people in their 50s, maybe two people of my age range. And I did. I did think that even though you come across as friendly, you know, you're. You understand where they're coming from in a way you don't, because they are different. You know, the younger people do engage a lot more with their phones, the way they interact with Social media, they are very friendly, they're very. But you're. At the end of the day, you're still 30 years older than them. And they are not going to treat you in the same way as somebody of their own age group. And I remember being, you know, in my 20s, and my attitude then towards people in their 60s, I know people have got younger, as you know, but, you know, I don't think they can help but. And they're not judging you, it's just that you are, you are older. There are these assumptions, you know, maybe not correct, but we are older, we are more experienced in some ways. We have different viewpoints. And you can't deny that. You know, when you're talking to someone, there is that sort of maybe experience of maybe even wisdom. I mean, I think you're right there. And I think with this man trying to change his age, what you come across is that you have lived through a certain amount of time, a certain amount of history, politics, and you've done certain jobs in education. That time's filled up. So he's actually going to have to, you know, which 20 years is he going to chop out of his life? You can't. You've lived your life and your. It is time. You know, the progression of time in your life makes you the person you are now. It's not just your. The number of your age, it is all the parts that have gone into creating your. But our society very much relates to number, doesn't it? All the birthday cards with those huge numbers on them, and you reach 20, you reach 30. I mean, we all know that we feel 25 years old inside. You know, we all know that we feel always. I mostly do. I do. I don't actually feel that much different to how I was when I was in my mid-20s. There are times, well, I have got that experience that makes me feel a bit older, okay, so I've got that knowledge that I didn't have when I was 20. But I still find that I am facing new experiences and new challenges. And I think that's what makes me still feel like a young person. I still have to go into a new job, a new situation in a new part of London, learning new skills all the time. And I think it's only when you stop engaging with life and taking on new things and close down that you become old, really, because otherwise I'm still kind of. I find the challenges of a new bit of it to learn the same as a young person does. And we're in a very Rapidly changing society and environment that I still feel I want to keep up with and engage with. I think our brains are a bit like our muscles, that if we don't use them, we lose them and the atrophy through lack of use. And I totally agree with you that if you're doing new things, meeting new people, experiencing different things, it keeps you still functioning instead of just subsiding into somebody that sits by the fireside with their slippers on and reading the newspaper. Yeah, And I think that's what people used to do, didn't they? Because people used to when they retired. I mean, I know my mom, when she sort of got to 60, she. She just considered herself to be an old lady. Didn't expect to do anything else. No, exactly. My mother even retired earlier than 60 because they were offering early retirement at that time because there was high unemployment. So it was like before 60, she retired and she just used to nod off on the sofa every afternoon. And she didn't live to be a very good age. And she became overweight and didn't exercise and didn't have a very good diet. Diabetes. And I've always kind of seen that as an example of what I don't want to do. Yeah. So I'm, you know, I do think exercise is really important as you get older and you have to do it more and be very consistent with it to stop your joints seizing up. And I think that's the main change I've noticed. But it's funny, I was talking to one of the actresses that was in the play I've just directed, and she told me, because she's got. Had very good skin and she revealed that she had Botox regularly, maybe, you know, every six months. Yeah, you have to, don't you? How old is she? She was 43. And I was going, gosh, yeah, that's. It really does work. You've got no lines on your face. No movement either. Maybe not as much, I don't know. But I did think I was, you know, I was almost tempted because I did notice this, like, frown line I've got on, you know, she said, oh, I used to have one of those. She said, but that's gone since I've had these, you know. But then there's the other side of me that thinks, oh, you know, you know, your face isn't that in bagged shape, but it's poison. Botox, basically. It's very toxic. Can't be good for you. Yeah. But I think. I think you look amazing for your age, Julie. You look really young. And I also think that when people have work done, they often lose their personality or their uniqueness, or, you know, someone who's really pretty, especially if they're younger and they go and have Botox or fillers done. Actually, they don't look as nice as they did before because they've lost their original natural prettiness to take on a kind of fashionable shape of your cheeks sucked or your lips. I've noticed a lot of these young girls do have these, like, lip pouch lips. Oh, I. Most of the time they look awful. They're not very well done. Maybe if it's natural and it's been well done is when you don't notice. But I remember. Is it Sharon Osborne? Oh, yes. She's had loads of work done, apparently, I'm sure, but done very well because actually, I think she's probably my age, possibly a bit older, but that's what I would consider. That's a really good. If she's had work done, then it's really good. No, you can have things done that are not as radical as plastic surgery. Like I was reading this advert in the Standard last week, the Dr. Lee facelift. The lady who won, was it Dragon's Den or was it that she won it? And it's this kind of treatment you can go and have done, which kind of does a kind of natural facelift without the surgery. And that does look good. And it's not been kind of cut with a knife, I have to say. But then you realize if you go and have something like that done, it needs to be done regularly and it's actually quite expensive. And whereas I think a regular facial, just quite an ordinary facial, is nice and does things for your skin. But actually to schedule in a time to go every month to have a facial and the money, it's like beyond most people to do that. I think there's more obsession now, isn't there, with age, because of the possibility of more people actually doing something about how they look and the makeups that people can use and the Botox that they can go and get from. You know, it's not a big deal to have Botox injections. Yeah. And it's big businesses, marketing and big business and celebs promoting on social media for people to aim for something that is kind of. Everybody wants to look good on the big screen, don't they? Oh, they want to look good on Instagram. Yeah. You know, that seems to be more important to look good on Instagram than to actually just have A life. Apparently they're all having nose jobs because when you do selfish, your nose looks big. So they all think they've got big noses. I heard that one. And they're having their noses. Ridiculous. It looks more prominent, doesn't it? Well, we're going to have a quick massage, facial massage in the interim and I will be back soon. Welcome to Women's Radio Station, the voice of women worldwide. Hungry? An average woman eats about 2 to 3 kilos of lipstick in her lifetime. Women's Radio Station, we want to hear from you. This is Women's Radio Station. You're listening to Avril Price with Kitchen Sink Spirituality. 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We're currently welcoming Don to help towards our running costs to keep this important initiative alive. To donate, simply head to our website. Every little will help. Welcome back. Oh, I'm so relaxed after that lovely facial massage. What about you, Joy? Did you enjoy yours? It was good. It was good. Yeah. I love a massage, a body one. And also if I have a facial and face massage, I find that very relaxing. And I also, if you're going to finish off the whole lot, have an Indian head massage done as well. And your scalp and then you're totally, totally chilled, relaxed. But I was actually going to confess to a beauty treatment I had done last week for the first time. And I'd been putting it off for a while, which was to have my eyebrows dyed. And I was worried that they would end up black and like I had two hairy caterpillars across my face. But I was fed up of my eyebrows are getting grayer and grayer. And I've been trying to sort of do it with eyebrow pencil before I go out and it's getting harder and harder and more and more eyebrow pencils require. So I went to my local shopping mall and they just do the treatments like right in the middle where everybody's walking around. And so I, with great trepidation, I went in and I said, I don't want them too dark or anything. And when I first had them done, I kind of felt like everybody was staring at my eyebrows. And when I got home, my husband said, what have you done to your eyebrows? But actually, no, I think they're great. I'm really pleased with them because they've actually kind of mellowed a bit because it wears off quite quick and it's toned down. And then I had my roots done on my hair. And after I'd done that, I thought, yeah, I like the whole look. And I'm quite pleased with it. And it didn't cost much either, so it was perfectly natural. Cause I didn't notice you'd had your hair. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I think when the hair starts going grey, the skin hasn't really caught up. So the grey just doesn't look right with the face and it makes you look very, very tired. And I colored my hair for years and years. And then I suddenly realized one day my skin had actually caught up with what was happening to my hair. And that's when I decided to not sort of carry on with coloring it again. Cause I had very dark hair, like you black hair and, you know, and once your skin tone has changed, then you don't just look tired having grey hair, it all matches again. But yeah, yours does look like it's platinum blonde. You've got beautiful hair. It's really gone that nice white colour of grey. And I'd like mine to go like that because if I had like white hair, which my granny had, I would then use all those beautiful pinks and blue colours in it and create like a watercolor painting in my hair. Yeah, well, like. No, that's a bit too hippie a rainbow. But I would put in different colors, like a lot of younger people doing. But at the moment, I don't want to bleach the color out of my hair in order to do that. I don't want to damage my hair in that way. But I think the old salt and pepper, as you're going grey can be a bit aging and for some reason it doesn't look that great because as soon as I had mine dyed the first time I went into work next morning without really thinking about it and everybody noticed that I'd had it done and said, oh, you look younger. And I just thought I had this kind of vague salt and pepper look with a few gray hairs that I just put a temporary dye in to see if I liked it. And then of course, I was totally suckered in because everybody had noticed and said I looked younger, so. Well, yeah, because people see grey hair and think immediately, old. Yeah. Except now it's a fashionable colour for young people as well. So maybe that. It's called ash, isn't it? It's this. Yeah. They've even got these. You can be an ash brown. Yes. I'm a sort of a brown with a sort of. Not a glossy chestnut brand, but more of a going towards the slightly. I don't know how to describe it, really. It's sort of ochreish color, is it? No, I know. I've read about these and I do look nice, actually. But you've got to have the rights again, it's to do with your skin tone. It's got to suit. It's got to match your. Your skin tone. Yeah, I've never seen any of those. I've read about them and wondered what they were like, but my kind of reaction was that for me they were. Probably wouldn't be right for my complexion, that I need to have the kind of warm brown colour. The first thing that happened to me was that I just got a clump in the front that went white. Oh, I kind of like that slight Bride of Frankenstein look. That's what I thought. Yeah, that's the kind of thing I thought, oh yeah, I like that. But I just saw myself in a photograph with it and I just looked so tired and that's when I decided to dye my hair and I dyed it then for about 10 years I suppose because it's lovely now, not having to bother. Yeah, I know it's quite expensive. Condition is better, isn't it? Not dyeing it. Well they're not, they're quite good. They're sort of colorants. I didn't used to have to use lots of bleach and stuff on. Yeah, no, my colour is actually called a gloss colour that my hairdresser uses and it's made my hair into lovely condition. So I think it depends. I think it's if as long as they don't have bleach in them then you get. Your hair looks really good, Judy. Yeah, well I had mine done last week but yes, I'm very pleased with the way mine is. It kind of looks like my natural colour did and my hair's in very good condition and everything so it's hard to make a change. If that is your natural colour then your hair probably will go the same colour as mine when it. Sorry, people listening, you can't see any of this and we're just talking about lots of visual things now. What can we talk about? Well our pictures are on the website. Website on the presenters page if any of you are curious. Yeah, so hair and facials, I think all these things, trying to stay young. I think all these things are important for the well being and the way you feel about yourself inside and I think it's a shame that there's. I think younger women now have been pushed into having these things at an age where say in my 20s I wasn't one bit concerned about wrinkles or treatment and so they're making themselves very high maintenance earlier on and you've got enough of that when you get older. What do you think about the fashion for these very long nails? You know, sort of. I have great concern when I see some people in some careers with very long nails. I remember my daughter in law saying the midwife I thought could get a nail off. You could be a midwife, you'd get a nail left inside you. It's just awful. I mean how can you. Nurses were allowed to have long nails but I suppose they wear gloves these days. Yeah, but even so you handicap yourself when you have a nail that's that long. You can't pick things up in the same way. You lose the sensitivity in your fingertips, tips. I find it really. And I find it annoying when I. When I see. Sorry, sorry. If you're one of those listeners that has this. Has these nails. Administrators who are tapping on their computers with their. With not the tip fingertip, but it's almost like the. The. An inch down from the top of their fingers because they can't actually always. It sounds like clickety clack. Yeah. It's like when they're using their mobile phones as well, they clack on the screens as well, so they're not silent. But actually, I think this is another thing. Why pay out to have your nails done ever so often? It's another kind of high maintenance that you're paying out for. I mean, if people have a preference and want to have these nails and some of them look stunning with the designs on them and the different colour, they don't appeal to me because I'm an artist and I work with my hands, so I always just break my nails and I chip nail varnish. So it's always been a waste of time to me. But I think if that's what people are really into, then, you know, it's kind of like their business. But I think it's become a bit of a must have that you're not properly groomed unless you've been to the nail bar and then you've got these big things stuck on you. But I. I don't see anything wrong with having nicely groomed, you know. No, I think natural nails. Yes. Is it called French polish? Yeah. But sometimes they stick on French polishes for furniture. They do now they have false French nails that they stick on. And also it's very bad for you to have things stuck over your nails because the nail underneath starts to deteriorate and become unhealthy and it ruins them. Because I had an illness that affected my nails a few years ago and I've got to be very careful now. Even just if I wear nail varnish for a few days, I've got to take it off or I start to get problems with my nails. So I wouldn't do it. It's a part of you that needs exposing to other health. Well, a lot of things that people do to sort of beautify themselves can be detrimental. I mean, the extensions that people put in their hair, if they go, don't take them out properly and they end up with loads of glue inside the hair. There was one girl that nearly Lost her hair because she'd been putting so many of these extension things in her hair and because you can't see at the back of your head properly, she was sort of sticking glue onto glue onto glue and she was. Her head was in a terrible state. Yeah. I've heard that can be quite common that women end up with bald patches due to the extensions. So au naturel is the same. But I do think a nice pedicure and that's another thing I'm going to do this week. I'm going to have a nice pedicure because I think feet are neglected. Yes. Yeah. Except in the summer when everyone brings out their red nail varnish for their samples. Oh, you know. But it's a nice foot massage is lovely. Yes. I've had one once and you put your feet in and it's like a spa for the feet. That's nice. No, I think all these things are lovely and they do kind of increase the feeling of mental well being. I think it's whether you feel you're doing them for yourself and for your own enjoyment or whether you're doing it because you've got to keep up with what everybody else is doing and you've got to keep certain standards and you can't go outside the house unless you've sort of got everything. I think waxing is a case in point. Yes. This thing about kind of removing all body hair, that isn't a relaxing treatment at all. It's painful and actually can be quite damaging to the skin. Apparently it's not that good to have the hair ripped out of these delicate areas. They can become sore. I should imagine they could. Yes. Yes. And evidently men are sort of going hairless now, aren't they, these love island ones. I know, I'm sorry, but I don't find that attractive. Well, we're going to now take a quick break and just check that we don't need any waxing done and then we'll be back with you very soon. WRS women's radio station. Voice of Women Worldwide, Sarah's Universal Soul Show. What does your soul or spirituality mean to you? Welcome to future Classical Woman Awards with me, Stefania Passamonte on women's radio station. Welcome back, I'm Russ Cain. You're listening to in conversation with on women's radio station. I'm Angie. And I'm Patsy. 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Whether you're thinking of having a baby, trying to get out of an unhappy relationship or just unsure what benefits you may be entitled to, we can help visit turntous.org UK WRS women's radio station Voice of Women Worldwide women's radio station is a not for profit community interest company. Supporting women is our passion. We're currently welcoming donations to help towards our running costs to keep this important initiative alive. To donate, simply head to our website. Every little will help. Hello Again, it's the three Js welcoming you to open discussion and we're going to carry on talking about body hair. Body hair in men maybe because lack of it. There is this fashion. Well I don't look at. What is it? Love Island. So I don't know what the men are up to and the young men anyway who are. Well it seems from an article I was reading that there's a distinct lack of hair in these men in this program and other guys are now sort of getting onto the bandwagon and reducing their body hair as well. It's almost as though the people that get rid of body hair are sort of looking for another clientele. You know, they've got us women getting rid of as much body hair as we can. And, you know, they're sort of moving on to men. They need a new. I think it is about that. It's about making money. I actually had the misfortune last week late at night, just before I turned off the tv, of witnessing part of a program called Naked Attraction, which is. It's like a dating game show, except the contestants on it are naked and you actually see their genitals first before they see any other part when they're picking a pimp up. And all the men there had a distinct lack of hair anywhere. And I just kind of thought, I just watched it for a while because it was like, I couldn't believe your eyes. And also they were very heavily tattooed as well. I mean, extremely heavily tattooed. Some of the women, like almost all, but no, all over their breasts and all the stomach, which. So I actually, yeah, I found that all quite unusual. Shocking, really. It's funny because I can think, yes, it looks all right on a young body, but when you're like in your 50s, 60s, and you're putting on weight, will those tattoos still look as desirable? The skin sags and they do fade as well. They lose the color, don't they? Yeah, and they lose their color. So I think it's. I think there'll be a. Markers in about 40 years time of how to get rid of your tattoos. Oh, apparently there's a huge market in laser tattoo removal already from young people who've regretted the amount. And they don't just laser them off, do they? They do designs over the top of. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. That's another late night program called Tattoo Fixers, which is another kind of voyeuristic thing where somebody has made a little mistake, like they had a little penis or something tattooed on their own, somebody's name that they're no longer going out with. And they've had a little tattoo. But these tattoos, we'll put on a massive one to cover it. That covers the whole arm. And then these people go, oh, yes, that's wonderful. In front of the TV camera. And I wonder when they get home if they think, oh, no, I've just got something even bigger and uglier to get rid of. But I mean, this is my personal opinion. I think it is A matter of personal choice if you have a tattoo or not. You've got to be quite trusting, haven't you? When you go under the tattoo, it's because you don't really know what it's gonna look like when they're finished. I mean, they're drawing. You know, when you sit down and have a portrait done by these people on the streets, you can sort of end up with a drawing that you don't think's very nice of yourself or doesn't look like you. And the same with these tattoos, they have them put on their backs where they can't even see them either. They can't see what they're doing as it's being done. I think they're being very trustful with their. I know there are certain tattoo artists, artists who are famous, that people go to just particularly to get one done by them, but I think people probably do have a lot of dodgy ones done in places on the high street. And, yeah, I've never liked the idea of just having something that you couldn't change on body. I mean, I think like those ones that are transfers that you put on for a bit of fun, you know, I think that could look fine, but when things of stuck with something forever or you've got to go through this very painful laser treatment to remove it, which just leaves a scar. Because I know people who've had that. Well, is it just like a red scar there, then? Well, it is, it's a scar. And also there are certain colours that are very hard to get rid of. There is a man I know who had them done when he was very young, when he was a bit of a kind of tear away and had ones that were done amateurishly by mates, whatever, that just were not nice at all. And when he became older and successful, wanted rid of them and went through a certain amount of laser treatment. But it looks fine, but there is still scarring there and there is still some of the color. So it's not something you can have reversed really easily. And I think a lot of people these days are used to the fact of thinking that anything can be changed or got rid of, that things aren't permanent. And I know do control Z. Yeah. And I think there's a friend of mine who was saying that her daughter had one done that went down the full length of her body and she started to regret it within months and is stuck with it. So. So what do you think of, you know, men wearing these lovely long beards that were very popular in the 1880s, you know, this very full. Oh, like Freud. Yeah. Even longer. I mean, this. These are the biblical beards worn by sisters. Yeah, that's a good name, a biblical beard. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's really funny now that the East End is full of men with long beards who are either Muslims or they're hipsters and you can't tell them apart. And they've got very short hair, but very long. Yeah. And they're no body hair and it's all on their head. I mean, I must admit, as a personal taste, I've never been really attracted to men with beards, but some women are. Some women do find them very attractive. But I do think it's a shame that all the young men are hiding their faces. Well, it's interesting, isn't it, in these days where, you know, there's all this gender fluidity and flexibility that women are having longer hair that they can flick around all over the place. Men are wearing beards. It's as if they're saying, well, I'm a woman. And the guy is saying, I'm a man. You know, I'm not gender anything. I'm. I'm. This. This is my gender. It's almost as though the heterosexuals are sort of. Well, I've noticed a lot of women are wearing quite short hair. I've noticed a lot of young women having quite short haircuts. Especially like a list movie stars. You know, Jennifer Lawrence has got very well, whether it's an old photograph, but she had quite a short haircut. I think there is short haircuts around as well. But when I say ultra long look as well, where often extensions are put in because you can't get your own natural hair to grow any. When I came to one the first time I came to see you in your standup in that pub, nearly every woman there had this short haircut. But that was a lesbian, by the way. I know, that's why I said it. So I'm not saying anything else, but just that, I mean, I think that is kind of. It does tend to be, I think, where more lesbians would have short hair. And I think they don't want to be confused. Yeah. With heterosexual women. And it's not that they had ultra, ultra short hair. They were sort of quite feminine hairstyles. But they were short. No, they look good. They were all short. Yeah. So perhaps that's all the people that you'll see. No, I do think still people, some have short hair and it is easier. Well, it can be easier. To look after. But actually if my hair's short because it's curly and kinky, I've got to blow dry it. Whereas if it's long, I can just pretty much leave it. It falls into place. So I think again, it's like, what's your hair as well. But there does seem to be this very, very long grow as long as you can thing. And there's the thing. I saw a picture of a girl who bought a blonde wig and complained about it, but it wasn't a blonde. It was like a gray wig that was straight and it went all the way down there and there's a picture of it. It just looked hideous and really fake. Oh yeah, those are those party wigs. They're not what I call proper, you know. Yeah, that's what it looked like. More like a party wig. But why was she complaining if she. Well, because she thought it should. Look, there's a star that has long gray hair, isn't there? There's one there. She has long hair, doesn't she? Well, I know it's a younger one. I think she probably only paid £15 for it. Yeah, on, you know, one of those party websites. Oh, I see. She bought it online and doesn't like it when in the road. I went to a shop in Pimlico where they sell the party wigs and they're about £15. And I got the. My Betty Davis Baby Jane wig there, which was very funny, was those photographs of you Baby Jane were fantastic. When you actually, you know, they look okay on. They would probably last maybe for two outings, but after that they start to. The net starts to stretch, you know, that holds it all together okay. And then they're not what I call proper wigs. I mean, a proper wig costs about 50, 60 pounds. Would have thought it was more than that, actually. I mean, I bought some lovely ones. I've still got. Got some of them. You know, I had really long hair at one time and I was going to get it cut and I thought, well, instead of just going to the hairdresser and it all just falls on the floor, why don't I offer it to somebody that makes wigs? And you know, sort of you think of cancer patients that all lose their hair and things like that and they didn't want it because it was gray. Couldn't they dye it? But I suppose they decided they'd. They didn't want grey hair. I felt totally rejected because it was beautiful. Because there are a lot of surely older women with gray hair who'd Want a gray wig? No, didn't want it. I know the, the texture of gray hair is different, isn't it? Maybe that was it. But yeah, it does seem a shame because about. There are about to be older cancer patients who settle so gray. Want that. And with gray hair being the fashion as well. How long ago was this, though? Oh, it would have been about three, four years ago now. Maybe that wouldn't happen now, though, if you'd don't know. That's a shame because it was quite a long. You know, my, my hair really had got sort of quite long because I'm one of those people that I'm not very good at sort of going to hairdressers regularly. I sort of. And I've been like that all my life. You know, I sort of, sort of have it cut short and then about two years later think, oh, it's about time to go to the hairdressers. Well, you must have good hair because if I left mine that long, it becomes scrappy at the ends. But I agree with you. I try to eke out my visits. Well, no, it's just I don't get around to going. Well, I'm afraid we are getting near the end of our program today and it's Goodbye from the 3js. That's me, Julia Collier, Judith Walker and Joy. And if you want to contact us, you can go to the women's Radio Station website where there's a link, or you can tweet us womensradio stationstn. And we always like to hear from you, so please keep in touch with us. Thank you so much. Bye. Welcome to Women's radio Station, the voice of women worldwide. Hungry? An average woman eats about 2 to 3 kilos of lipstick in her lifetime. Women's Radio Station, we want to hear from you. This is Women's Radio Station. You're listening to Avril Price with Kitchen Sink Spirituality. It's Anna Kennedy talking all things autism. And my guest today is Karen Nunn. I listen to women's radio station Women. 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