Open Discussion With 3 J’s – New Technologies

Hello and welcome to open discussion with me, Julia, Judith and Joy. And today we are going to discuss computers and social media and anything else techy that we like or don't like. I actually, on balance, quite like my computer at home, but I have a problem with it when it doesn't link with my printer, which is happening at the moment. So I can't print out anything. And a few weeks ago it was working perfectly well, I turned it off and then last week I needed to print something and the connection for some reason has dropped out. So if anyone knows how to get the printer back, please let me know. Can you not use a real connection? A usb? No, no, it's a wireless printer. It's not both? Oh, yeah, it is both. But I'd rather not use the. The lead because it gets in the way. And the thing is, I do use the USB because I find it's more reliable than the WI fi for printing. And sometimes you've got to. With IT problems, you've got to decide which is the least frustrating way of trying to get what you want, which is interesting. The reason why I was interested in doing this for discussion was because when I was talking to Joy one night when we were having dinner in a restaurant, she actually said to me, you know, I really want to take my computer outside into the garden and smash it up. And my reaction was, I think most of us feel like that at some point. Yeah, I think computers have been the only thing that will see me hysterical, crying, shrieking, nothing else. Yes, it's one of the most complicated bits of equipment that we've ever brought into our homes. And it comes with the least amount of information as to how to use it. And I think that's what's the biggest frustration of any tech these days. They say go online, take, get the how to booklet. And the how to booklet is very complicated. Yes, you get lost or you've got to have an online chat with somebody who's maybe their first language is not English and my first language isn't it speak. So yes, it's not good. You know, I think one of the things that really annoys me most about IT and computers and things is that you're continuously asking to get updates. And these updates fill up the memory in your computer and it slows down. And the information sent with the update again is so complex, but it always has to increase the security. So because my paranoia over the security of the computer, I accept all these updates. And I must say Mac is much better than the Microsoft updates, which can really slow down your computer and they can just start up in the background whilst you're using it. Mac give you more of a chance to kind of choose to do it at a time when you want to. But I feel that these companies sell as these machines but they keep control of them and the machine actually does control you. Because I have such limited knowledge. I mean it's workable knowledge, but it's not when it comes to updates, programming or saying yes to something or no, I'm thinking, what am I saying yes to? What's actually going to happen. You're saying yes to the terms and conditions which sometimes are as long as a Shakespearean play apparently. Well, they know that you're never going to bother to read them. You've got to say yes otherwise you can't have what they're offering. But I was really pleased with myself when I found out how to stop updates happening automatically on my mobile phone. I'm not sure how I found out, but I did. So it's constantly saying you've got 16 updates, you've got 24 updates. I'm just saying go away, don't want you. Well, I don't have that on my mobile phones. It's an iPhone, so I don't tend to get those. Yes, with a Mac you just get a notification that they're there and then you can kind of choose to do it when you want. Well, that's where I am now with my phone. Oh, well done. I've set it up. I found something in Settings that worked. But yeah, it is quite frustrating and even, you know, you realize that the children growing up in school, the things that we're getting frustrated by are nothing to them because they're actually learning it all from primary school. They're starting. So to work with the computer, to work with the mobile phone is an easy thing. Their brains are already being rewired to the language, to the language and the structure of how computers work, which ours aren't. Although I don't know, I think there is another way of looking at that is that when I started using computers was in the very early days before Windows when you used dos. And actually I feel like I have got that background and confidence in using them that I don't expect the computer to do everything automatically for me and I don't feel it controls me or my behavior. I did feel rather superior though because I was involved in clay production a few years ago and one of the props was an old fashioned typewriter, you know, with the what's that thing that. Oh, yeah, the carriage return with a little handle. And the girl who was very techy, very, very highly technical, she didn't know how to use it. And she was going, how do you. How do you move the platen, whatever it's called, you know, across. And I said, well, you just do this. And tapped it, moved it. And she went, oh. So I did feel quite superior there. So one person's technology is another person's, you know, I do find that computers are actually not difficult. What's difficult is to learn their language and how the semantics of various things. I've just had to learn how to operate within Google Drive, which to me was a completely foreign territory. And that was what elicited the comment from me that I wanted to take my laptop and throw it out of the window into the garden and smash it into a thousand pieces. Because I just didn't have the scaffolding of how this thing worked. I didn't have the language of how this thing worked to be able to. And I knew it wasn't complicated. And that was the most frustrating thing. I just needed somebody on my shoulder when I sort of had a glitch, say, oh, you do that. All right, okay, that's fine. Yeah. I think Google Drive is a bit clunky when you first use it. I have to use it. So what is it really easy? Describe it to me. It's a file sharing service so that when you work with other people, all the files are on the cloud service of Google Drive and then you can just access them and work on them and then save them back onto the drive. I use Dropbox as well and I similar. I used to think that Dropbox was much more simpler and is very easy to use compared to Google Drive, but I've developed a problem with Dropbox recently that's also driving me crazy, which is that it suddenly found us a white space conflict in my Dropbox and that. What's a white space conflict, everyone? Yes, it's all in the language, isn't it? Yeah, it's learning the language and understanding. Well, we'll have to wait with bated breath to find out about white space as we go into the break. Welcome to women's radio station, the voice of women worldwide. So I do glitter for a living. Coming up next on women's radio station wrs. Women's radio station. Hey, this is Jessie and I'm a life architect. So what has made you say effort in rage or effort? Enjoy this week. I love listening to women's radio whilst driving in my car, my sport and me. Listen online on your smartphone and on your computer. 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So I'm not alone in my thing but I found out it's occurred because a lot of files have a similar name and Dropbox keeps thinking they might be duplicates but it seems to that they that it duplicates them even further and this seems to be annoying a lot of people and it's something that's been flagged up to them. So because that could be a bit tricky if you get rid of something that is actually. Well that's it because Something you want to keep. That's it. I don't know what's a duplicate that Dropbox has made. And yes, it is. It's just very annoying and confusing. And that's when you get to this really frustrating things with computers, when you've just got all these files and things that look the same and the system's doing something to your computer that you don't understand, you didn't ask it to do and you just feel totally out of control. And the data that I'm keeping on Dropbox is quite important data for some work I'm doing for a charity and I can't afford to have it messed up. Dropbox duplicating things so it can tell you that you're over your amount of space. Start paying for it. No, no, it isn't because I am actually already paying for the Dropbox service because I do keep a lot of large images for my own use on it. This issue is just around. Apparently Dropbox is quite sensitive to files that have similar names and will identify them as being similar. And because of the files that I'm saving for this work that I'm doing that I am saving like newer versions of the same files but just changing the name of the date on them quite slightly. So this is the first time I've had this happen. But I think that issue that you mentioned about the storage service, they do entice you, oh, save all your photographs on Google Drive or whatever it is, and then they do this until you suddenly get to a certain level and then they say, oh no, we want some money from you now or your photographs are going to be deleted and things like that. And I do know some people who are very crafty and they'll say put their one lot of things on icloud and on Google Docs and Dropbox and share them around all the free services. Well, actually I couldn't be bothered to complicate my life like that. So I just coughed up the money and paid Dropbox. And I have to say it has been kind of simple and easy to use up until this one issue I've had with it. Moving on, I think we did think about tweeting. Twitter, Facebook. You don't use those, do you, Joy? No. Have nothing to do with them. I do, but I try to only engage at certain times. When I have an activity that I want people to know about, then I will get onto Twitter and do it for that. But I'm not prepared to be engaged the whole so that more of my life is online than is actually what I'm really doing. And I do want to limit the amount of time I spend at a computer because I want to do real things. I want to garden, I want to decorate at home or, you know, even do the washing, anything to spend more time on the computer these days. And I think some people get so taken in with social media. Well, it's about, in a way, a popularity contest, I always think, with Facebook because, you know, who your. Well, you know, how popular, because how many likes people give you. So it must be upsetting if you're, you know, young person, not very popular or you're. You find out things through Facebook that you weren't aware of in real life and you're feeling excluded, that sort of thing. I think that must be quite upsetting. I think the thing about Facebook that I don't like or the social media is the sharing aspect, that you might sort of tell two or three people, two of your friends on Facebook, and then they'll tell somebody else and then they'll tell and it just sort of expands exponentially. And that's what I don't like about these kind of things. And it, you know, must be wonderful for the famous people. They want everything to be sort of shared. But the Facebook is also useful. So I've downloaded. I've kept a few videos of tap dancing, extracts from the old movies. Buster Keaton's. You don't need Facebook to do that. No, but sometimes you get your attention, you know, it's brought to your attention. And then you can go on Facebook and find out a bit more. But, you know, there. I have discovered quite a lot of things about various charities on Facebook. Kittens and cats. You can do that going on YouTube. No, but you don't. I mean, I don't tend to go on YouTube unless you. I'm doing research for something. I mean, if. Well, you've got a mind of its own as well, hasn't it? You can be looking at something and then suddenly loads of other stuff comes down which is not at all related to it. So you, you know, you sort of get. Well, I think computers, they have an algorithm, don't they? They. They know what your interests are. I know I get annoyed when I see I've got some videos on YouTube and when I see what they select to go alongside. Mine have been quite horrific and have been totally opposed to my own view of life. So I. So what do you think that's about then? Is it? I think it is the algorithms. It's certain Videos, I think, that get a lot of viewings or a lot of likes, and they're also used for commercial purposes. For. I've heard some people get paid for their YouTube content. And I think it's like with a lot of social media, it did start off where it was quite egalitarian, where anybody could get on there and put things up and has an equal chance of getting seen. But now it's become so commercial and the advertisers use it. It's a commercial marketing tool, so the little people and it don't get seen. And if you put your content there, you're likely to find out that Kim Kardashian comes up beside you. But that was quite a controversy recently, Times, wasn't it? When firms that are supposed to be sort of ethical firms and then they're having these really inappropriate adverts coming down beside them. And it's not because the firm has chosen them, it's because of the algorithm on Facebook. Yeah. It's when you put your content out on social media media, you can't control who shares it, where it goes or what it might be compared with. And I feel that I haven't wanted to have a personal Facebook page, which has actually caused me a few problems with some things I wanted to do because I didn't want to be out of control. And the thing is, sometimes now I go out and meet people and they say, oh, I saw your holiday photographs in Prague, as Julia did earlier, and forget that my husband does have a Facebook page. And I mean, I totally trust him with what he's going to put up there. But it's still a bit of a shock to me that I come someone, they've seen all my holiday photographs. And that is exactly the kind of thing that I don't like about social media, but I don't like the way that people share sort of more risky, risque elements of their life on social media and kind of wonder why. And then think, what made you think that sending a photograph to some of something like, say, a body part. Yes. For example, you think. You think that's gonna just stay wary where you thought it was gonna. It's just incredible that people are that gullible. Yeah. I mean, even those Instagram things, you know, that are supposed to disappear in three seconds, people can quickly take an image of it so that they've got it forever. Apparently. They know. Yeah, they don't disappear. No, they disappear. But if someone's captured it before it disappears, then that's it. They've got it. Yeah. I mean, all this idea about sexting and things and sending people, you know, pictures of intimate parts, I just find that really off putting and creepy. When I was younger, I wouldn't have gone for it at all. It's kind of the peer pressure, I think, isn't it? That happens to kids. They just don't kind of see far enough forward to sort of see what kind of an effect that it might have on their lives. Well, I think they all think they're sort of, I don't know, copying Kim Kardashian and her, her sisters. They've all made themselves, you know, millionaires, haven't they, through social media. But it can destroy people's lives if they've gone through a job interview and people find these things. What about when they have children and their children find out there's all these pictures on the Internet in later life? That'd be horrific for them. Right. I think we're gonna take a short break now and get ourselves a cup of tea in this very hot weather. See you very soon. Signing off from the three Js for a short break. Welcome to women's radio station, the voice of women worldwide. Hungry. 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Join us on Instagram and Twitter, mnsradiostn or Facebook. Women's Radio Station to keep up to Date with all our exciting news. Radio station. Welcome back to open discussion with the three Js. That's Julia, Judith and Joy. And we're going to keep talking about computers or social media or smartphones. And I think we're thinking now more of how we use apps on our phones and the advantages of. Yeah, well, I don't actually use apps an awful lot on my phone, apart from WhatsApp. Yeah, that's a good one. I must admit that there are several kind of areas of technology that have kind of, I feel, revolutionized my life. And one is the bus app. Because I live in a place that has like one bus going past it and I'm on a bit of a kind of leap away from the main road. And my life seemed to be dominated by whether the bus service was running on time. And I'd spend a lot of my life waiting at the bus stop for this bus. You just never knew when it was going to come or not. But now to be able to look at my phone before I go out and see when the bus is coming. And on the bus hub, you can put your favorite stops. And I just think it's put an end to all that misery and wasted time. So what does it do on the phone? Does it say the number 63 bus is on its way in five minutes to this particular stop? Yes. Oh, yes. So it's quite precise and it's very accurate. So you know your route from home to the bus stop. So you can sort of say, well, if I leave in two minutes, I'll get there in time. I can do it in two minutes. Yeah. From my door to the bus stop. Stop. I'm very lucky. Oh, that's actually, I might try it then. So what do you do? You just go online and you just put on. Go on the link to the bus app and then download it? Yes, because I have an iPhone. You go to the App Store and then you search for a bus app. And there are a lot. They all use the data from TfL because I think it's something called big data where public organizations share their data with other companies. So it is whichever app you using, the source of the information is. And do you pay for it or is it a free app? I think it was a free app or it was very cheap. Because you told me recently about a very good app, a map, apparently, the A to Z app. Yes. And that's quite expensive. But that's another app that I love because I think Google Maps can be a bit frustrating sometimes. And it tends to concentrate on the commercial places rather than places of interest or the streets. And this is actually if anybody still remembers the old A to Z book map of London. This app is based on that and you can actually quite clearly see the map and you don't have all these commercial cafes and organizations that have paid to go on it. And it's very efficient. But I think it is the most expensive app I've ever bought. It's about six pounds. Oh, my goodness, that was a one. It's probably more than the book. Yeah. But I do love it and I think what I want to do is I try to limit the amount of apps I get on my phone. Not usually because they're expensive, but because of the memory they take up. They slow the phone down. I did the Duolingo app to try and teach myself Italian and I enjoyed it, but it took up so much space and I had to take it off. Yeah. So I don't actually have a bus app as such. I just feed in 60 bus route and that comes up and you click on that link and then the. Hey, presto. It tells you whether it's going towards Kings Cross or towards Honor Oak. And it's got all the bus stops on the way and you click where you are standing and it says, you know, the bus is two minutes away, five minutes away. It's brilliant. And I get quite annoyed at those bus stops now, you know, because there's lots of bus stops that have the next 10 buses coming and if they're not in, you know, if they're not working, you sort of think. I think that's the thing, it isn't wide enough. The number of bus stops that have. When the buses are coming. And I think that they haven't been extended or they're actually being phased out because everybody's expected to have a smartphone, which is very unfair on the older people. Well, I hadn't. Yes, I think you're right. As I noticed, they had been disappearing from a few stops. So if I'm at the bus with my elderly neighbours, I inform them all when the bus is coming and they're absolutely delighted. You know, they think that's. It's wonderful that you can. That you know that. But also that I've told them, because not everybody does share that sort of information. So any more apps that you'd like to have or you recommend. I don't use loads of apps because of the reason that you said that they do take up a lot of space on the phone and they do slow it down talking about WhatsApp, which is one that I've resisted getting. Why do you think it's so wonderful, Joy? Because, you know, you can speak to somebody all over the world for free. As long as you're on WI fi, you can see them, you can speak to them, you can message them, you can send photographs. Not only that, you can just create a group of people like we could. And you don't have to keep relaying different messages to everyone. Yeah, I mean, I see. Think I probably use FaceTime for that because I've got an iPhone. So with FaceTime, you can do that phone call or a video call, but. No, but you can't. You can't. Again, it's. It's an individual thing on WhatsApp. Like, I was in a play. Yeah, we all were of one group. So the play, you know, everyone in the cast, technicians, we're all in the same. We're all on the same WhatsApp. We didn't have to keep individually emailing or texting each other. We all saw the one text. You see what I mean? So it saved all this. So. So the difference is you can use groups and also like the FaceTime that I'm using is you've got. The other person's got to have an iPhone. I think WhatsApp is probably one of the better ones, actually, if you've got especially a group of people, you want to keep informed about something. I think I used to enjoy having the Uber taxi hailing app, but since the. The difficulties, I've. I got rid of it on my phone and I haven't sort of reinstalled it again. But there are other taxi. Yeah. Organizations that do it because although I don't use it taxis that often, it's nice to have something there to know that if you are stuck somewhere, you've got something you can call. Now, let's change the subject to something a bit more. What if you wanted an app and it doesn't exist yet? What would you like as an app? Any ideas? Oh, you tell us first because we can make our fortunes. We can become rich with the right idea. We could find a really good look. Oh, no. Somebody might steal it from us if we talk about it now. Yeah. Julia, what app would you like? Seems you've come up with a question. Well, I think I'd like an app that gives you a bit more information about what courses are on in London without having to go to an individual organization for it. And I know they say, oh, yes, you can go online and you can. But actually, I think there needs to be more of a streamlined way of finding out what courses are run in London for, say, like, drawing. But wasn't that there used to be a publication called Florida Floodlight? Yes, there used to be. Don't they. Haven't they changed that into an app or a website? Well, that's a very good point. I shall try and find out. I was thinking about with the online apps is that I do use the Amazon app for shopping on my mobile phone when I'm out. And I have to say, as someone who does not like shopping, I do not like trading around every shop in the West End trying to find one little piece of thing that I wanted. Or recently I wanted some pens that I used to draw my cartoons with. And previously I would have trailed around all these art stores, I would have paid a top price. This week, I just got on Amazon, search for them, get a box of 10 at a really reasonable price and they're delivered to my doorstep the next day. And I. I just love that. I mean, I. It's really a revelation to me that I don't have to leave my house to shop. I mean, if it's something like clothes, I probably prefer still to go and see them rather than having to get stuff, try it on and then send it back and all that. But I. I just feel that that saves so much of my time and energy, specifically when I want to find something that's difficult to find. I think that's a very good. I once actually ordered a voice book, a very, like, quite a rare edition, and I found it so easily online, and that would have entailed traipsing to and from loads of shops, or maybe not even finding it at all, and you pay a higher price. But I do realize there is a flip side to that as well, because we're losing shops, we're losing, like, specialist, you know, old bookshops and things that are really like treasures to have around on high street. So I think that we, you know, there is a downside to it and it's also the fact that, that I know that Amazon staff, there are issues there in the way that they're being treated that I wish that wasn't the case. Right. I think, well, we've almost finished our naps, we're going to have a short break and then come back with a new subject. So if you've got anything to contribute to open discussion, please get in touch. Welcome to women's radio station, the voice of women worldwide. So I do glitter for a living. 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That's Julia, Judith and Joy and we are going to carry on with the discussion of social media apps, computers, digital lifestyles versus reality. And I do feel out of the loop regarding this because I think I'm a 70s person and that's when we had, you know, cassette players and tape to tapes and you had to splice a tape, connect it with a piece of sticky stuff and then well that's how I learned how to splice tape. Now we don't need to do that. We have a very smart computer to do it for us, which is very useful. But I don't know. What do you think about digital lifestyles? That's interesting, actually, that you're saying that the computers now do the splicing and dicing. And it just made me think, is there another physical skill that we're using? Because it used to be quite a skill to be able to have this flimsy tape that's just broken and it's your favorite recording and to sort of work out how you can fix the two together without losing. You know, it's a real skill. Whereas now you sort of a few clicks and a bit of the mouse or something and it's done. The computer's done it all for you. Yeah, but again, that is making it more open to everybody being able to edit tapes. Cause certainly I make videos as part of my work. I can edit. Edit them with an app on my phone. Whereas previously you need to have gone to use the studio facilities to edit something like that, where they would have the machinery there that was quite expensive and have to pay for the time. Now I can just do it on my phone, the tube. So it gives the level of expertise that you can do it to. Is now in. In everybody's gift, isn't it? Well, yeah. Or just to even like do it. Actually to be able to easily edit, particularly like a visual tape or a film, I think that is quite wonderful. Obviously you don't get the skills of a professional editor, but that is quite liberating. I like with all these things, there is an up and a downside. I think it's coming in our discussion about it. But again, I do like the physicality of doing things because I'm an artist and I draw and I paint and I love to do that by hand. I do create images digitally as well. And I think there is a place for that. And it's an interesting way of working. And then that work can easily be shared and sent to other people. But I would hate to give up actually kind of having the tactics. How feeling of paint. Yeah. And that sense of the bite of the paper against the pencil that you just don't get when you're working on an iPad. But creating a picture on a computer just is a different style. Creates a different style. So I think David Hockney's illustrated. Yeah. You just adapt yours. The way he's kind of really taken on board the digital drawings. It's amazing what he's done with. He inspired me to buy an iPad When I saw that exhibition of his at the Royal Academy of the Yorkshire Landscapes. And I think that is wonderful, the color that you see on the screen and the ease of working, it is beautiful. It's different. It's an add on to me, not a replacement. On my iPad, I've got this thing, I don't know if you know about it, Judy, it's called GarageBand. Oh yes, I've heard and I've tried to find out. Well, you can create an orchestra through this. I'm sure, you know, people use it all the time to create music and I think that's wonderful where you can, you know, be in your own home and creating a soundtrack or a film. You know, it is, it is quite challenging. I mean, it may be crap, but could be wonderful. No, I know artists use GarageBand to create works of art for exhibitions. So it isn't an amateurish tool. And when you think you could use GarageBand together with your video editing app and put the music onto a film, there's only one problem with it. It's extremely complicated for someone who's not very IT literate. So I think I'd have to have tutorials in it and I'm sure if I looked online there would be one. Oh yes, there is always an online tutorial. And I also think playing around with these apps, because I was baffled by the video editing app for a long time, just playing around with it and actually wanting to achieve something on it, I overcame it. Oh, it was really simple. I was making it more complicated. And that's what I was saying earlier, wasn't I, that sometimes, you know, when you're sort of working with a new area in digital technology, it feels very difficult, but it's actually very simple. You just got to learn the semantics of it, the way it works, understand the scaffolding that's behind it all. And it is very simple. I think we make it more complicated. Yes. And also I think techies make things more complicated. I think techies are people who have a techie brain and they don't understand how to translate the information with simplicity to ordinary people quite often. And the ones, the companies that get that right have really cracked it. And how many of those are in around? Because I, I don't know any actually. Well, I don't think instructions are in plain English enough. No, I can go online to find an answer to a question and I don't understand the answer. I'm actually finding it easier if I have a problem, say with my Mac or something. It's playing up and I go online and put the question in. I quite often find the answer now quite easily. And I think when Google comes up with the answer and it's usually very user forums, if I look through them, there's some where you get some techie that's written a page with an answer that you don't understand. I look on another forum, another person's written one simple line, got it. And I go and fix it. It's like those. When you look on YouTube on how to do something, you get some people that make the most long winded, boring video about how to do something on YouTube because they enjoy telling you all about it and they go into great long detail and it just wasn't necessary at all. Yeah, somebody can do the preci version. Everybody understands. Yeah, they, they think, they suddenly think they're a kind of film star or something and that they're really engaging. What do you think about the fact that all these people are doing stuff in their rooms though, and that, you know, everybody can do it, but they're not getting out of those rooms and meeting? Well, I think a lot of them are. I mean, I went. When I went to this Christmas party as Bette Davis and whatever happened to Baby Jane, I went online, I went to YouTube and watched a makeup tutorial of this girl creating the Bette Davis makeup. And she went into great. She was, you saw her lounge that she was in. I thought that's an interesting person. And she, she went into great detail. I mean, some of it was a bit over the top, but I, I sort of found myself a bit intrigued. I thought, well, she spent a lot of time and effort getting the camera ready, working through what she was going to say when the effort of going into that filming process, you know, I think, I don't know whether I do that myself, but do you think she actually meets anybody in real terms? Yes. I think she probably has a very interesting group of friends. Probably all go to parties wearing different clothes because that's what I wonder. You know, people that do a lot of stuff online, whether they're actually just. That's their life, they're doing stuff online and whether they actually ever meet anybody. It's a bit like all the stuff sort of dating and all the games that people play online, you know, they play with people all across the world, all at different time zones. This thing that all the kids are into now, Fortnite, they're worrying about them all getting addicted to it, aren't they? Because they're playing different timescales Well, I think there is a definite problem brewing maybe with the games side of it. Yeah. I think there are some people who don't. They have all their friends are online. I mean, I think about this one lady who apparently has a lot of followers on YouTube, I think it is. And all she does is iron. And people like to just watch her ironing. Oh, they find it therapeutic. But I suppose ironing is a useful technique to know because I always put more creases in than I take out. Yeah. This isn't a tutorial. This is people like to watch her iron. Soothing. So it's like slow, slow TV where you, you know, you sit at the back of a ride, camel ride or something. It's like the old potter's wheel on the interlude they used to have on the BBC. I mean reindeer, not camel. No, I was just saying about, you know, they used to have the interlude on the BBC with the potter's wheel. Yeah. That people used to watch or something like that. Well, I think we have to leave it there for today. Thank you for listening to open discussion with the three J's, Julia, Judith and Joy. And if you wanted to listen again or catch up on our previous programs, you can head to the presenters page on womensradiostation.com thank you for listening. Bye. WRS Women's Radio Station, Voice of Women Worldwide. Welcome to future Classical Woman Awards with me, Stefania Passamonte on women's radio station. Hello and welcome to Talking Travel with myself, Kay, on women's radio station. Women speak about 20,000 words a day. That's 13,000 more than the average man. Welcome back to From Sonnet to Song. I'm Isabel Schuller. I'm Martha Reid, WRS women's radio station. Hi, I'm Valentina Barbacci and I'm the executive director of Media Matters for Women. 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