Eat Love Do – Elliot Brown, ADHD And The Entrepreneurs Mindset

Hello and welcome to the Eat Love Do Show on Women's Radio Station. I am Janine Newbury. I am your host, and each week I am chatting to experts in their field who will be sharing information, tips, and advice with you so you can eat, love, do your life to live the healthiest, wealthiest, happiest life possible. Um, you can follow us on our socials at Women's Radio STN. That's Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. And head over to our YouTube channel and hit that like and subscribe button because it really does help us, and we love it when you support the show. Right, you've had enough of me prattling on, and so let's bring on this week's guest. I've got the fantastic Elliot Brown, or Elliot Brown in London Town, which is his little running tagline. Can you guess where he is? He is an ADHD business coach and consultant, amongst many other things, speaker, mentor, podcaster, and has his own radio show, EB Radio.. So it's lovely to have on a fellow radioee. Elliot, welcome to the show. Thanks very much, Janine. How are you today? I'm all right, actually. I feel quite chirpy considering I had a gin and tonic last night. Did you? I did, yeah. Well, I feel reasonably chirpy even though we had a bit of a technical issue, but we've got round it, haven't we? We've got round it, and hopefully it'll just be easy sailing from this point forth. Of course. You know what? That's how life is, though, isn't it? You plan to do something and it never goes the way you do, but I just think you just got to pivot, carry on, and things always work out in the end. So, you know, just keep ploughing and hope for the best. They definitely do. I think we stress too much about the small things sometimes. And as you said before we come on, it's not about being perfect, it's about what you produce and the value you can give, right? But we often get messed up, sort of headfunked with trying to get a bit perfect, but it doesn't need to be, for sure. Thank you for that this morning. I think perfectionism is like one of the robbers of joy. Ooh, I like that one. I should put that in my book. Because it does, because if you get so focused on things being perfect, you just stress yourself out and you don't focus on the thing that matters. And that's the information delivering, the people you're helping and wanting to serve, or what it is that you wanted to create. So who gives a toss about perfection, really? So let's just rock and let's just do it. And I think these two, I really like the sort of trend that's been on social media at the minute where people are just showing up and it's rough and ready and real and raw. And people are moving away from that polished look, and because it's a bit fake and polished and it's not, it's not real, it's not authentic. So I'm all for just show up and bare your heart, and who cares if it's polished and you look perfect, because people aren't perfect. So yeah, that's what I'm about anyway, rough and ready, just rough and ready, ready to go. I think, I think, you know, your point is absolutely bang on, and particularly, you know, with ADHD brainers as well, you know, We're big overthinkers. It's not, I don't think, necessarily about being perfect, but it's about having things sort of feeling right and getting yourself feeling right. Something that I've almost trained myself over the last 12 to 18 months, Janine, to actually go, okay, I'm overthinking this, overthinking this, just stop and let's just action something. And I think that's one of the biggest things is we overthink, we consider the perfection, rather than just actioning something. And, you know, if it goes right or if it gets a little bit wrong, you're right, you know, we're human. And I think that's, it's a big thing to take away this morning for sure. I think it's 100%, 'cause I do, I've been a massive overthinker. And I, for everyone listening, I was actually chatting to Elliot at an event we were at last week and we got chatting about ADHD. And after we had a conversation, I'm like, I've gotta get you on the show to talk about this. And then I started to question whether I have ADHD. I was like, do you wanna just sort of share with everyone listening, a little bit about ADHD and what it is and what are some of the signs and stuff and how you sort of discovered it and why you're working in this arena? I definitely, definitely would love to, um, and it's something I get genuinely get excited about talking about now. Um, it's only literally become apparent to me over the last 12, 18 to 24 months, I suppose, and I had inklings but I didn't really understand ADHD. In fact, I thought, and it is linked, can be linked to autism, but And if I do say things out of turn here, anybody is listening to this and you don't agree, if there's any way I'm making comments around what Janine is doing, then please feel free to do so, 'cause I'm still learning, and I think everybody with ADHD that helps other people with ADHD, there's always things to learn, everybody's different. However, when I've looked back at my life over the last sort of 20 to 30 years in business, when I've been involved in other, whether other people have been involved in business and they are, in your business or other people's business, and they've got roles to play in that business, and you've got a specific role, it's easy for us to get hyperfocused, something you'll hear a lot of ADHD people speak about. We can get hyperfocused on a particular task. The problem seems to arise, and we see this time and time again, and you'll know this, Janine, and I'm sure this will resonate with you listening or watching at home as well, is that when you've got, when you're a solopreneur, or you're starting something off, or you're growing something that you've started, when it's you that's got to do everything, you've got to wear so many hats, and that's really difficult to hyperfocus. So over the last 4 years, in, in sort of understanding how I can help business owners from all my experience, etc., that was fine because I'm helping somebody else when they've got a question or a problem. It's easy for me to hyperfocus on that and come up with something, and I call it 17 minutes of genius. Works with genius. Genius. And it genuinely is because when with brains like ours, and this covers 60% of self-made millionaires and billionaires across the globe, the biggest names that you know of, have either— they know they've got ADHD or they've got traits of ADHD or traces of. That's pretty big. That's like huge. That's more— that's quite a big statistic. Is that— is that why do you think we become entrepreneurs? Because our brains work that way? It absolutely is. We go for things that excite us. We can be slightly impulsive as well, which can be good and bad. But we also want to get things right. And we can unders— we are very, very much solution-based people because our brains work very quickly to figure out a solution. In fact, that's where a lot of the overthinking comes from. We will think about— this is where the problem arises. We will think about solutions to problems we don't even know what the problems are yet. And that's where we get what I call exploding head syndrome. Because it goes— it's too much goes on. So over the last sort of 24 months, almost 24 months, because of Clubhouse, which is where you and I have, you know, met using the sort of the audio-only— the audio app, I should say, um, social audio we'll call it, uh, I started mixing with, connecting with, uh, really, you know, high-level business people, not just high level, but people all over the world. And in the US, they're way, they're happier to talk about ADHD or those challenges that might come with it than we are in the UK. And I started considering the traits that I had, struggles I'd had, the focus I was struggling with, and also direction as well. And so in that time, I'd used mind mapping myself for many, many years, not even knowing, genuinely not knowing that was a thing. I just used Post-it notes, connected things up to give myself some structure, not realizing that I'm a visual thinker and I'm an ADHD brainer. I'd done that in successful businesses and small business sidelines and all sorts of these to understand the elements I needed to understand to grow or to start that business. So I started working with business owners, you know, last year, helping them to get clarity with mind mapping and stuff like that. But it wasn't then working on the action side of things, which is the problem. We can get clarity, then it's actioning things, right? Knowing what to action. And often we action the things that maybe excite us, but aren't necessarily the things that are gonna bring us in money or be productive. So in doing— Shiny marble syndrome, isn't it? Ooh. Yeah, very much so. And I don't know that, I don't know the ADHD brain goes for those shiny object things. I think it's the fact that we go, okay, we sort of understand that, we're gonna move on to something else. Because we do understand it, we just haven't implemented. And then over time, the people that were actioning or being, you know, actively coming back to me with questions, things like that, I then realized were also similar types of brained entrepreneurs. And we'll call them ADHD brainers as we tend to be known. And so that was then I thought, really, what I should be doing is actually specifically working with people with ADHD, give them clarity, and then give them a way of starting to action the things they need to, to start moving ahead. And that's how this whole thing's come about. And the things I talk about now, even that show we were at last week, Janine, everything I spoke about, when, as soon as you mentioned ADHD and I'm working in that arena, resonated with virtually everybody. So it was being niche, but that being niche and ultra niche has actually opened up a bigger door into the business community. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. Some of the stuff that you were saying, like the way that the mind works— my mind definitely works like that. And someone will say something and I'm definitely coming up with solutions like 10 to a dozen. Like, my brain just works so fast. And then one second I do that, I understand it, and then I move on to the next thing. I'm like, oh, I'm done. And, and I kept thinking, why can't I just focus on one thing? Because I'm like, okay, I'm done with that, next. That's how my mind works. When you start sharing that with me last week, I was like, oh my God, that makes so much sense. Yeah. And I like my— it's— I've always felt like my mind works completely different to everyone else's, and I'm like, am I the only person that thinks like this? But it just makes perfect sense. And that's how an entrepreneur's mind works as well, often, because you constantly come up with solutions and vision, and you want to— you have to bring in a team to implement it, and you want to move on to the next thing. Yeah. And it kind of makes sense, and that's a strength, not a weakness. It is. Let me ask you a question, because you just said you think your mind works differently to others. Now, have you gone through your life, and this goes out to not just you, but like everybody else, you've gone through your life with thinking that you just think things differently, you're not judgmental, you accept stuff, you are welcoming to other people's problems and try to come up with solutions for them, even going back to school when you learned something, that you picked up really quickly, but then when it came to doing a test or revising or something like that, you really found it very hard to focus, to absorb that information, because you almost know you already know it. Is that something that you've sort of experienced? That's exactly, exactly, that's how I went through school. That's how, yeah, complete, pick stuff up really quick, and then when it came to doing homework and tests and exams, I'd be like, ugh, and I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't do my homework, and because I just didn't want to, because my brain already knew it, and I was like, I didn't want to do it, Even my English, which were essays. I think I shared this story with you. I got told by my English teachers, I was doing English Language and English Lit, and you've got to write in these two essays. One's 4 weeks late, one's 2 weeks late. We're going to expel you if you don't bring it in. I don't think they would then. I think they were just trying to frighten me. So I rigged it right until like 1 AM and I wrote these two essays. I got an A and an A minus. I was like, A minus? How dare you? But I think, yeah, my brain was just like, okay, next. And it's almost like, yeah, I want to move on to the next thing. And you're right with the not judging thing. You just see how things work. And that's like, it's probably why I've moved into helping people and human behavior and clearing out their patterns of blocks. I think you're right. I just see it. I just see it in them. And you're right on the no judgment thing. There isn't a judgment. It's just like, oh, this is what's going on with you. Let's clear it out. Yeah. This is why you've not been moving forward in your life. This is what's blocking you. This is why you're not focusing. And just that wanting to help and serve, which I'm pretty sure you've got as well, which is why you're doing what you're doing. And just like, oh yeah, it's obvious this is what's going on, let's just clear that out. Absolutely. Another thing as well I'd like to ask you, if that's all right. I know this is your show, but what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to sort of get people to think about if they work in a different way. Interviewing me is quite nice. It's now the Elliot Brown Show on women's radio station. Yeah, do you know why this is so relevant? It's because actually, and this is a strange thing, and about 4 years ago I had a business coach I've had a business coach since then, actually. And one of the things he said to me, he said, he said, one of the things you lack, Elliot, is structure. So I figured out some way of getting structure. We worked on that between us. The other thing he said was, is a lot of women are going to get drawn towards what you do because the way you deliver things. But also, I think that— and this was before I even realized, and we'd never even discussed ADHD at that stage— but he also said that because he knows and works with a lot of businesswomen as well, and that they are more open to looking at what they can do to improve themselves more than men will. Now, whether it's the way that I speak, whether it's what I do, I don't know. And I never really considered that. I was like, yeah, I don't quite know what he's getting at there. And in fact, in the last 12 months, that's exactly who I've attracted more. And the people that have actioned things better and absorbed information was that. So A question I'm going to ask you, because this really resonates with the, the, the one that I work with and have worked with over the last 12 to 18 months, is do you get time blindness as well? Where, you know, you've got 2 hours to do something and you will do anything you possibly can not to do that task for 1 hour and 55 minutes. And in those last 5 minutes, you will get done in 2 hours what most other people will do No problem at all. Is that something that you do? That's exactly how I work. Well, the story I just said about the essays, the two essays, I literally wait till 1 AM and then I write them. You go. And I was like, I could have, I had weeks and weeks to do it, but I leave things till the last minute and then I'll just do it. Like, I don't know, it's almost like thriving under pressure or something. And I'm like, and if I just did it at the beginning, it'd be a lot easier. But I think I don't need to do it yet. So is that an ADHD thing then? It is very much an ADHD brain trait, yeah. And I think what you said there was that if you'd, I can't remember what it was now, I've lost track, which also is part of my brain. But there was— Back in the room. But it was, yeah, there was, you said about leaving it to the last minute or doing it at 1 o'clock in the morning. And I think, you know, oh, I know, working under pressure, that's what it was. So I just had to recall that bit there and I just sort of wound the time back in my brain. But yeah, it was working under pressure. I've always said I work better under pressure because I thought that's what it was. But now I understand the way my brain works. I'm actually trying not to leave it to those last 5 minutes. I'm trying to action stuff. I might not do it straight away, but I'm giving myself, right, there's 2 or 3 things that need to be done. And once I know that, rather than it all going around in my head and then it all fit, all those pieces of jigsaw fitting in, for that last 5 minutes or that last hour if you've got a whole day. It's about going, okay, if I do that first, that's going to then go, oh, Joe, that's good, I feel good for doing that. And you're like, it's like a reward system to yourself. You just feel good and it releases that dopamine, which then triggers or sparks you to doing the next thing. Not triggers, I know that's a negative connotation these days. So it's about chunking things down. So that you don't do that because it's stressful, right? When we do that, we stress ourselves at the same time, um, just leaving something to the last minute. Yeah, I agree with that. I've got much better at, like you said, chunking it down, doing scheduling now, and almost giving myself the time frames before in little sections. 100% agree with that because I'm still leaving it to the last minute, but in that section, yeah, which is a week before I needed to do it. So it's almost like I'm tricking my mind into doing it before. Which works. But I used to think I was lazy or procrastinating years ago because I was like, why do I keep putting stuff off? Is there something— why can't I focus? Am I avoiding it? And I sort of used to overanalyze it, but it's just the way that my mind works and the way it likes to work. So I can find a way to make that work. So I love that we're having these conversations, it's coming up, because I'm sure there's other people listening to this now going, God, yeah, I do that. Is that why I'm procrastinating? Maybe so, maybe so, maybe so. And it's detrimental. I think it's quite detrimental as well. You say that you feel like you're lazy, you know, you feel you're not worthy. And that really is, you know, the anxiety level is prone, is known to go with the brain types that we are. And that can be quite a negative thing that can draw you— that you end up doing is sort of almost wanting to lock yourself away. And this is probably going to trigger— and I hope this isn't a bad thing. I just want people to realize you're not alone. This is not something that is just you. You— there's many, there's many of us. Um, as I said, 60% of the most successful people on the planet, self-made millionaires, are, you know, are ADHD. Um, so, you know, give that as your driving force. And, you know, if you have to back off for a couple of days because you've just overwhelmed yourself and you've done too much, allow yourself to do that. It's not a bad thing. I know we also then feel bad, we feel lazy because we can't do anything, but you know what, there's a lot of things still going on in your mind. You're actually slightly reprogramming. But one thing I will tell you to do, and this has helped my mental health to no end, is going for walks every 2 to 3 hours. Every 2— we talked about this, you know, last week— every 2 to 3 hours, go for a walk. And if you think, well, that's not very productive, it really is. And if you want to, and that this will work when you start doing it, get into the practice of it, great for your steps as well, by the way, so it's good for fitness. Take your phone, you can voice note things into your phone, you can, you can do things into your notes where it transcribes it as well. And you will find— and we spoke about this, and I spoke to so many people like this— when you go for that walk, you will offload stuff. It's almost like you've got a filter and the information starts coming through that is relevant and important and necessary and stuff that you can action as well. So, so a little tip there as well. Yeah, I love that. I find that really, really powerful. Like, I need to move my body every couple of hours, just my own mental state. And I think just to move the energy around my body. But like, I prefer to go for a walk and process stuff like that than to sit down and do meditation. Yeah, me too. There's people going, I want to meditate and struggling with it, then perhaps walking could be your meditation because maybe if your brain's active or you've got ADHD, maybe this is a better solution than sitting there and doing it because I struggle to sit down and my mind's distracted, but if I walk, I relax and get into, yeah, I get into like a meditative state. Yeah. And it really works. And I process stuff and I get my ideas and the clarity, and, and it also gets that energy and stuff moving around my body. And yes, you're right, getting the steps up, it's good for the booty as well. It's not going to tone itself, is it? But I think that really helps. Do you, do you stand? Do you ever, ever stand? I mean, I've got an up-down desk as well, which was again a big, big game changer for me. I got that last year so that I don't always have to sit down. I've got a couple of different spaces. It's good to move about and work in different positions. I find it to be more productive. I'm better stood up. If I'm being creative, I'm okay sort of sat down and allowing the mind to flow and do design work and stuff like that. Do you do that at all, Janine, or anybody else that's listening? I wonder if you do that. I do that 100%. Like I'm sat now chatting to you, but I know that I'm going to be sat for about an hour, so I'm okay for about an hour and a half, but then I have to move. But I literally was walking around, I went for a big walk before I sat down and I needed to get that movement. But if I'm doing a voice, a phone call with a client or something like that, I will walk because I'm talking because it helps my brain work and it helps me get clarity. Movement helps me get clarity. So I find sometimes if I'm just doing it from home, I'll literally walk around my kitchen. I've got like a, what you call it, an island in the kitchen, this big, and I walk around it. I do, I do a lap of the island. They don't know what I'm doing, I'm just chatting, but it helps those cognitive functions, it helps my brain work, and that works because that movement in my body, it just makes me think sharper, clearer, and I get my best ideas when I'm moving. So 100% on board with that, that really works. Absolutely, absolutely. I find it difficult as well if I sit still too long, I just get tired and like— Yeah, for sure, for sure, absolutely. I completely get that. I completely get that. And it turned out that I'm constantly like swizzling in it. I mean, you know, a lot of people tended to think that ADHD was about that. It was like, you know, you're hyperactive and you fidget a lot. I don't know that I'm a particular fidgeter, but I prefer to be free. As you can see, I'm stood up here doing this, and I've done plenty of podcasts a couple of years ago, and I started doing them as a fireside thing, sort of sat down, which was okay. But I've got way more energy. I feel it flows much better stood up. And so I think you've got to find what works for you. It's about changing it up. It's not about— if you consistently do the same thing, that I think that stimulates our brains. It doesn't stimulate the neurons, which we, you know, we lack as ADHD brains. We lack dopamine. So we have to find a way of stimulating it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It's a dopamine deficiency, which is, which is a lot of, you know, why we have those traits. Once you raise that dopamine and we generate that, that then allows us to do the things that we want to be doing. But it's very easy to let those drop and, and sort of just relax into that sort of, sort of downstate, I suppose, if you want a better description. So if you're lacking dopamine, you could be more prone to getting depression or getting to depression? Absolutely. As well? Absolutely. And, um, and it's not something that I'd ever experienced until the last sort of 3, 4 years in my life as well. I'd never really experienced depression. I'd never really experienced that sort of anxiety, you know, that sort of pit of the feeling, stomach that starts raising up. And the more that I relaxed into that thinking, right, okay, it's all right to chill. It's okay to chill. You're not feeling— you feel a bit overwhelmed. And the more I did that, the worse I got. And, you know, you've almost got to kick yourself in the ass to basically get going again and sort of raise those dopamine levels. But it's only because I realized that I've got that type of brain that made me realize that I can't do the things other people would if they're feeling like that. I've got to do something to boost that dopamine to make me feel better. Hence the walks every couple of hours, you know, so it works. This is really interesting because I'm sure there's a lot of people listening to this that they're getting low moods or a little bit depressed and they can't work out why because there's nothing particularly wrong in your life or there's no reason to be depressed, but they're feeling those moods. And it could just purely be that then. It could just be the the dopamine's dropping down. This is absolutely fascinating. And just, just going for a walk, that's one of the health exercises, one of the healthiest ways to increase dopamine, obviously. Absolutely. It's great. Yes, more walks, more walks, definitely more walks. And something else, right, something else that I've discovered, um, and I'm a big advocate for, for these now. And, and, you know, if anybody doesn't know what nootropics are, go and have a, go and have a look online. There's two nootropics that have helped me, and I'm, you know, I, I'm not going to get diagnosed to get, um, to get medication. It's just not how I want to do it. And everybody's different. You may— your ADHD may be more severe. And so, you know, if that works for you, that's great. I also know a lot of business owners in the States that have come off things they were medicated for. And these are, these are high-performing marketeers, etc., etc., that I learned a lot from. And they have turned to nootropics. So I started using CBD a few months ago and noticed a big change in my in my mood regulation, in the sort of, in, you know, not just focus, but it just definitely made me feel a little more leveled out and able to focus a little bit better. Then Lion's Mane started creeping into my horizon, my, you know, what I was talking to people around. And Lion's Mane is incredible. So CBD helps to, helps to protect the neurons in your brain, which is what we help to stimulate, the things we need to, to focus and motivation and mood stimulation and mood stabilization, et cetera, which is obviously something that we struggle with. It's a struggle. But the lion's mane, it helps to promote the growth of those neurons as well. So not only are you protecting, but you're promoting the growth of them. And so it helps you get like a— you do get a bit of a rise. There's no head highs with this, by the way. By the way. It's not CBD with THC. This is a— this is just CBD oil, which obviously derives from cannabis, but it hasn't got THC in it. You don't get a head high, but you do get a relief of anxiety, a reduction in the sort of paranoid state you can get sometimes when everything gets a bit too much. And the lion's mane really does help to promote focus and motivation as well, and again, mood stabilization. And these are great. They're natural, great products. I don't sell these products, by the way. I'm looking to be an advocate, an ambassador for a friend of mine's products, which I'm going to be trying very soon. So check out some stuff I'm going to be doing on that over the coming months. That sounds great. I didn't know about the lion's mane. I think that's fantastic. Fantastic. I'm going to incorporate that. Look out for this. Look out for this in the next 12 months. There's going to be a huge growth in the visibility of people using Lion's Mane from now on. Yeah, that's fantastic. I've got some of the CBD oil. I've not been using it regularly. I'm not quite sure, like, you're supposed to put a couple of drops under your tongue or something and like— yeah, I mean, I've got a, I've got a sort of a 40%, which is quite strong. I've got a quite high threshold. So, um, but you don't have to start with that, you know, just ease yourself into it. But yeah, tinctures, um, you pop the oil under your tongue. Of course, there's, there's, uh, there's vape, um, you know, which some people don't necessarily agree with. I personally think it's okay. Way better than smoking cigarettes, which, believe it or not, nicotine can increase anxiety levels as well and is being seen across with kids using these things as well. Now, again, triggering ADHD symptoms and moving off that to CBD. If you smoke and you're wondering why you've got anxiety, I definitely, definitely— so I've done this, I've tested it myself— it reduces the anxiety, takes that away. CBD takes away the anxious feelings, which is something that holds us back and stops us from doing the things we should be doing for sure. I'm going to have to get more on it. I take ashwagandha, which is particularly good for women, especially if they're hitting perimenopause or menopause. Perimenopause. And that's a nootropic as well, but it's particularly good for women's body. But I might have a little look at the lion's mane because I think that sounds fantastic. Yeah, yeah. Listen, natural, natural stuff as well, right? We don't want to be taking chemical and things that are designed to work on this because there tends to be side effects. There's no side effects to CBD. There's no, as far as I'm aware, and I'm not a medical professional, so please take this from my opinion and many, many people in the ADHD community and business community professionals as well, but there's no side effects to that or C or the lion's mane as well, which is a huge, huge bonus because there are to a lot of the drugs that people can take. To overcome the sort of challenges and struggles they may have with mental health. Listen, we look after our physical health. We've been taking supplements for God knows how long, haven't we, Janine? Yeah. Why shouldn't we be taking supplements for our brain health as well? 'Cause as professionals, if you want, if you've got lofty goals and you want to achieve more than other people have, you can absolutely do that. We just need something to help us, help stimulate, help grow, and help to, you know, regulate. Things as well in our minds, for sure. I'm 100% behind that. So people spend money on clothes that they wear, but they won't spend money on their mind, their growth, and taking care of their health. And that's more important, you know. So, you know, you might spend— like, people might spend £200 on a pair of jeans, but they won't spend £40 on something that can promote health. I'm just like, that just like blows my mind. I know, it's mad, isn't it? So tell us a little bit about your, um, You've got a podcast and a radio show. Well, what's this about? I saw that on your Facebook. I had a little nosy this morning. I was like, oh, I didn't know that about you. Well, I did. I haven't done a podcast race. In fact, this is one of the first interviews I've had for a long time as well. But I am privileged. We are privileged. Thank you for coming on. Thank you. Thank you. I feel privileged to be asked. Just before lockdown, I started doing— I said this thing as well— I was living in Essex at at the time, so it was relevant. I started Essex Business Radio, which in essence is a podcast. Ridiculously, I should have named it me. I didn't. I wanted to brand it being, oh yeah, let's go all creative and brand something with this big lofty idea of it being a media side to the business, which I genuinely think after EMC is something everybody should be looking at. So I had the right idea. Anyway, I did some recordings, I did some podcasts, and then lockdown happened. So pretty much I was getting people into the studio, then lockdown happened and I created this thing called C19, How We Deal With It, right? Obviously for COVID. And put a post out on Facebook and then just did, I was doing like 3 or 4 a day and I did like 60 or 70 podcasts around COVID asking people what they were doing, how it was affecting their business and what they needed to do to pivot. So I thought it'd be a great topic, right? I watched some of those back recently. It's weird looking back at that period of time. You know what, you just said C19, I'm like, what's that? Like it's so in the back of my mind now, I'm like, Oh, COVID, I forgot about that. Exactly, yeah. And so I did that. And then I did some more called the Pivotal PodSpective, another one. So I did about 100, 150 sort of podcasts and it was all around that. And then I stopped. The only reason I was doing them then is because there was not a lot else to do and the business was changing and I couldn't do the consulting I was doing. So I had all this spare time and I was working with people online rather than spending time in their business, which I was used to doing. As a consultant. Um, and but what it did do is it trained me and showed me and gave me the experience of doing podcasts. And I'm so excited in the new year to be, to be doing a new one, which is going to be around ADHD in business, of course. Um, so that's going to be, that's going to be very cool, um, and more relevant. And that wasn't— there's no relevancy to a lot of it, you know. It's just me interviewing people and just doing, you know, whatever. Um, so that's where that was. So that was called Essex Business Radio. So for obvious reasons, it got recognized. I've got an Instagram account that still carries on growing and I don't do anything with it. So, so that's that. So where is this new podcast going to be? What will it be called so we can look out for it? Do you know what? I don't know. And this is the problem with it, isn't it? It's coming up with a name. I just should call it ADHD in Business with Elliot Brown or something. Just keep it simple. He's got ADHD, he's got business. What else do you need in a title? Don't go pinching that, everybody. I'm just making a note of that. Sorry, I just did that right now. So yeah, that's what that was all about on that side. I really enjoyed doing it as well. I mean, I prefer— I like asking people about things and asking questions. It sparks questions, doesn't it, when you're speaking to people? You find this, right? Yeah, I do. I bounce off other people. I'm not so good when I'm trying to come up with stuff on my own, but even if I'm just sitting in other people's people's energy and space. It like, that, that makes me, makes me come up with things and ideas and be creative. So I'll have to go work in a café, in a coffee shop or something, because I find a bouncing of other people helps me in my mind and the way it works. Is that an ADHD thing as well, I wonder? Or if it's just, or maybe that's just an energetic thing, like I just like other people's energy. Again, the other people's energy, we draw from that, right? Because, you know, when you're in a restaurant, when you're in a restaurant, you hear other people laugh. Are you one of these people that sort of goes, oh, they're making a load of noise? Are you one of these people that actually laughs with it, like, likes that? Yeah, I 100% laugh with it. I think that's great. When you go in a coffee shop, there's energy in there. People are talking, there's a bit of music on and stuff like that. If we're in a quiet space, there is— you know, people say silence is golden. No, it isn't. It's a killer. Silence is a killer for creative, and many creatives' brains. It's not good. Music in the background. I play house music all the time, as most people know, and different types of house music, but I've got to have music or something in the background. Silence kills my creativity, kills my productivity, which is probably why you like to, you know, go into a coffee shop and have that sort of buzz going on around you and stuff like that, for sure. Yeah, 100%. I think, yeah, I love that. I love that. So tell us a little bit about your, the work that you do with people. You consult and you do coaching around it. ADHD. Share a little bit about that and how that can help people. I'd love to, thank you. As I said earlier on, I've used mind mapping for years, and in essence, to help myself and people I work with, I created like a sort of a structure— not a sort of a structure, I created a structure to the business in a mind map form. And if you don't know what mind maps are, I say go and check them out. It's not a new thing, it's been around for a very long time, but in the last 30, 40 years, there's been a big sort of growth in this area. And in the last 2 to 3 years, an even larger growth with people that were working in virtual teams through lockdown and wanting to be able to communicate better with people about what their vision is. So you start off with the main topic in the middle and you spider out from that, chunking that down into sort of subtopics. And then from that, you can then spider off again off each of those subtopics chunk it down and break it down and get granular rather than be going into too much detail. That's the easiest way for me to explain it. Hopefully you visually got that in your mind. I love mind mapping. I think it's great. It's a great way to just get stuff out of your head, and then once it's out of your head, it sort of takes the overwhelm and the pressure off because you don't need to keep constantly thinking about it. Absolutely. It's done and it's written down, and you can always add to it or take stuff off. It just helps. I think it's a great process. Yeah, brainstorming is great if you're either on your own or with somebody else, just writing notes down. Doesn't work for me, doesn't work for many of us. But brain dumping that information into that mind map means that you can allow those thoughts to flow naturally. And so, you know, once you've got it down there, rather than then it all being in your head and not having any structure to it, you can then focus on the area, what that subtopic or all those granular tasks that need to be done. So it's a very, very— you need to simplify things because we overthink. And if we simplify, it keeps the focus on the task or the subtopic or the topics in hand. So it's a simple, simple thing. When I consult, I'll go in, we'll mind map out the business, we'll map the business out, and we look at where the strengths are, where the weaknesses, things that they know. But also it establishes what you don't know you, what you, what you need to understand, or what you need to outsource or sort of die, die, die, or give to somebody else, basically. So powerful. I'm glad you brought that up, because I think people often avoid the things that they're not good at and the things they don't want to look at. And it's often those— that's the weaknesses, if you like, within the business or whatever it is that you're trying to do. If you just sort of be really honest about that, say this is what needs, needs to happen, and bring in other people into it, that can be the difference that makes the biggest difference in your business, like 100% 100%. What you don't know is, if not more important, what you don't want to do. Highlighting what you don't want to do and delegating that to somebody who's bloody brilliant at it rather than trying to do it yourself. I 100% agree with that. That can just make you skyrocket. Note this down, anyone who's listening to this, you're absolutely bang on the money. What you can't do, don't do, or won't do. Those 3 things you need to figure out. Either you need to learn something about it, which is going to take time,, or you need to give that to somebody else to do, or find a partner that can do that with you. Because doing it alone, not a good thing, particularly if those aren't your strengths. Then of course, once you know those things that need to be done, it's a matter of then you've got the structure, you understand, and then moving that and time blocking that. So it's about taking those, those sort of outer parts of that mind map, which in essence are your tasks, where you've got sort of granular, and then moving those into your calendar. Now, this is a simple thing. You can all do this. Everybody can do this, but it helps brains like ours to get structure, prioritization, and as I like to call it, you know, it's not about just clarity, it's about action as well. So it's about being productively creative. So you get productively creative with that mind map, and then you start actioning things, because without that, clarity is nothing without action. And the more action you take, the more clarity you get. So I call it an Active Clarity Entrepreneurial Success System, ACES, as we'll call it, right? And, and so that in essence is it. Now obviously there's a bit more that goes into it, but that's your basic basis of it, which is so— it keeps it so simple, right? KISS— keep it stupidly simple— is what we need to do when we've got overthinking creative brains. And so that helps, helps everybody to be able to start moving ahead. And once you see that progression it, as I said, it releases that dopamine. You feel excited, you feel you want to do more. And so it's about getting the results. And when you see results and you believe and you can see the things that you're doing, then you start moving ahead. And, and we know that we can achieve a lot more than the average— uh, that sounds wrong because I'm going to get slated for saying average— but a lot more than maybe neurotypical minds can perform and achieve if we actually focus and action the right things. You said something really important, like, quite an important point, you talked about clarity, and you said you get clarity by taking action, and I just wanted to sort of re-emphasize that, because I think a lot of us, we wait until we get clarity before we do something and move forward, like, "Oh, I need to be certain, I need to be sure, I need to be clear about what business I want to build," or, "What topic I want my book to be," or, what— anything that you want to do in your life, really. And people wait for that, that clarity, and really what they're looking for is certainty, um, then before they move forward. And it's like— and you just said it, like, you, you don't find that often until you start doing stuff. And sometimes you might start on one topic or one thing, and that might not end up being the thing you're doing, but from doing that, that brings you the clarity of what you actually really want to do. Yeah. So I'm really glad that you brought that up. So if you're holding back because you're not sure what to do, just start with something. Anything. And then from there, if the only thing you find out is that that's what you don't want to do, that's just as powerful as finding out what you do. And then you might, you might go, well, I really don't want to do this, but I think I quite enjoyed this part, so maybe I should do a bit more of that. And that's where the clarity comes. So I'm really glad that you, um, you said that. And I like your little structure and the simple simplicity, because it is, it's by keeping it simple. We overcomplicate things. I've overcomplicated so many things in the past in my life and held back from doing stuff. I should, you know, and whenever I've been successful, it's whenever I've just jumped in and got going and then tweaked it along the way and gone, oh, okay, let's just pivot and change because we can change stuff. It doesn't have to be perfect to start with. Nothing's set in stone, nothing's set in concrete, is it? You know, everything is— most things are malleable. And, and, you know, learning, as you said, learning how not to do it is, is, um, is, is how most of the things you see around you have come about. All the products that you use every single day have come about. Somebody that has learned how it doesn't work before getting it right. And we've got Thomas Edison, all of those people that have tried it 1,000 times, and then it's the 1,000th time that gets it right. You've got to do that. And it's about being able to continue to do that as well, being resilient to those mistakes and those lessons that you learn, which, again, you tend to think, well, I've learned all the bad things. But just keep pushing because, you know, that old analogy of where somebody's digging and digging and digging and one person gives up and the other person carries on digging and digging and digging and gets to the diamonds or the gold or whatever it is they want, it's because you've got to be resilient, you've got to keep going. And it's that ability to do that, which, believe it or not, is probably why a lot of ADHD brainers are so successful because we can just keep on going. Going, doesn't matter what puts us back. And so hopefully that will motivate a few people to just dig a little bit further. I'm glad we're having this conversation because it's made me understand things more, and I'm sure people are listening as well, because I used to always think ADHD was something to do with kids at school misbehaving. Yeah, you and me both. That's what it seems to be, that's what it sort of talks about in the media, and that's what you hear, and you think, is ADHD a real thing? Is this just a new label they're putting on kids that are not, you know, you know, that they're not happy in the classroom because they're in, you know, so it's really interesting having this conversation, especially from the perspective of an adult's perspective, rather than making it about, you know, kids at school. It almost sounds like the naughty kids at school misbehaving, but they're not. Their mind just works differently. And it's really, yeah, it's really fascinating actually. Isn't it funny though, you and I will know plenty of entrepreneurs that were known as that disruptive naughty kid at school, but had a personality and couldn't necessarily sit still. Either got sent to the back or sent to the front. I was— depends on what teacher I had, depending on whether they want to be the front or at the back, to be honest. Keep an eye on me, always have them away from everybody. But it's those people, it's many, many of those. That's a trait we hear amongst entrepreneurs all the time, particularly within Clubhouse, where people are talking about things they used to do. And that, of course, is why you can learn from others' mistakes. It's, you know, it's smart to learn from your own mistakes. It's genius to learn from others. It's geninius to learn. Geninius. You've got— have you got a little bit of a freebie I noticed on your Linktree? What are you giving out? Your ADHD freebie? Yeah, I mean, I've— it's been through a couple of guises and a little bit like the sort of, you know, the stuff that I've done, the mind mapping and things that wasn't quite right in one way, then it worked for other people and you sort of change it. And so the guide I actually created early part of the year, and I've tweaked it a little bit, and now, of course, now really doubling down and working and wanting to focus and help as many ADHD business owners as I can, because we've got a difficult couple of years ahead, whichever way you look at it, whatever you want to believe or not believe, it's going to be a challenge. And so I created a thing called the ADHD Entrepreneur's Devilishly Good Guide, because I like to be devilishly good, right? It's not always about being devilishly good. He wants averagely good. Devilishly good. And it's clarity plus action equals faster results. And the way the guide is done, it's only a 17-page guide. It's genuinely done from my type of brain. And the people that have come back to me, all ADHD brains, great response. It's chunked down. It's not written like a book. Because that's not going to keep my interest. It's chunked down into sections, and it's easily, easily, you can look at it very easily and break these things down, all parts of the business, parts of your life, things you can look at, you look back at for this year and assess and move forward. So, so yeah, you can go and get that at elliotcbrown.com. Then it's /adhd-entrepreneurs-guide. So yeah, go along and check that out. So you say like reading, so do you find it difficult to read books then? I used to read books, you know, in my 20s and things. I used to read books and I could read cover to cover. Yeah, I was the same in my 20s. I can read, but now I really struggle and I get really tired if I try. Yeah. Focused on them anymore. And so, um, are you listening to podcasts? I can do that if they're short or in sections, or if I go on YouTube and I know there's a bit that I want to, I want to watch, I'm good with that. But do you not find yourself sometimes watching something and you think, oh, I've lost it completely, let me wind that back, and you wind it back about 3 or 4 or 5 times, realize that neither time have you taken any notice of what's going on? Same with books. Um, so yeah, that's why I've created in such a way that it's, it's easy for us to digest Rather than starting at the beginning and finishing at the end, it's about having a look through, see something that sparks your interest, have a look at that, expand on that, and then have a look through the rest of the stuff. So it's done from a slightly different perspective. So is that an ADHD thing then, or is it just an age thing? I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I genuinely am not sure on that side. As I said, I'm still learning. So if anybody else has got any advice or ideas, that, please let us know. Comments below, let us know. Share, share. We'd like to know. Let us know. Yeah, because I found that I skim read books now. I'll look and I love reading because I love taking on information and learning and knowledge. I just love it. But I find it difficult to sit and read because I get really tired. So I'll sort of skim. I'll just scan the whole page and sort of almost like just take it as a photograph in my mind and put it into my subconscious. And move on and just read bits that pop out and I find interesting. And so I'll read an entire book in like an hour or two. Yeah, I can read it, but I'll absorb all the bits I need. But I'll listen to an audiobook. I find that easier if I'm going for a walk. Audiobooks are the way forward, aren't they? For sure. Yeah, maybe that's why they're becoming so popular and podcasts, because listening is easier than reading. Yeah. Or is that just us? I think you're right. I think you're right, particularly Definitely, the podcasts and audiobooks have been the way for me to take stuff on for sure. You're right. It's very difficult. Funny you were saying about you sort of scan books. Even in my 20s, early 20s, I don't know why, but I had a period of time where I did read a lot and I would speed read a novel like sort of that thick in a little bit over 24 hours, maybe a day and a half, because after a while you've— you— and the brain, I think, only sees a certain amount of words anyway when you're reading fast, doesn't it? Just for us to absorb the information. Um, yeah, interesting. I don't— I don't know whether that's an ADHD trait or not. Something I'll look into. Something to ponder, Elliot. Something to ponder. Definitely. I— I love constantly learning, um, so I'm learning from other people. So I'm wondering, who is your go-to guru at the moment? Oh, That's interesting. Well, actually, probably not who you'd think. A guy called Dr. Ned Halliwell, actually, who is an ADHD doctor. And because I want to learn about ADHD, if I'm going to be able to help people with ADHD, I need to understand it a little better first. And he does, in essence, 7-minute videos. Go and check him out. I mean, I don't know the guy, to be honest, but I'm definitely— well, I have contacted him on LinkedIn, and we're going to organize a conversation, but I don't know him. And he's put me in contact with somebody else as well, which I talked to you about, a fitness guy in the UK that helps to stimulate those neurons again, which helps ADHD. But yeah, so I've been watching his YouTube videos and learning a lot about that, and the way he just puts it across, it's like, yeah, I get that. And so that really works for me. So yeah, learning around that is something that I think is not just helping me, helps me to understand it better, So that if I'm gonna come up with a solution, it helps something that we struggle with and we have a challenge with. And suppose that's what, you know, rather than just coming up with loads of solutions, it's about something that really is gonna work for the type of people I wanna work with. So that sort of helps, I suppose. That's brilliant. That's a good resource. Yeah, I think you attract in your gurus or person that you wanna teach from depending where you're at, aren't you? And what you wanna learn in that moment. And they just kind of come in. Share a little bit on the fitness guy as well. We chatted about that last week. I found this really interesting. So share a little bit about him. I'm going to try and remember his first name. Is it Win— Bob, we'll call him Bob. Winford. Was it Winford Dorr? I think. My phone's over there. But yeah, I think that's what his name is. Yeah, because I'd contacted Ned because I'd seen him on YouTube. He mentioned this guy for Winford Dorr, I think his name is. I'll double check in a second. And he's not huge on LinkedIn, but he's been doing fitness and helping people with, with sort of, let's say, more mental challenges with regards to fitness. And he's found a way which I'm going to look into. I don't know that much about it. Yeah, Winford Dorr, I just checked, you gave me the name. Winford Dorr, that's right. He's got, he's in essence got a particular type of exercise routine that obviously is good for your fitness, but it's good for your mind as well. And it helps to stimulate those neurons that we need to obviously help to release that dopamine and sort of spark to get our sort of minds and brains working at their optimum. And so this is something that I want to look into from a, dare I say, a holistic point of view for ADHD. So, but yes, I'm fascinated by this stuff though. I mean, you've, you know, this is, this is, you're all about this stuff, right? Look at it from different angles. And I've never really sort of got the whole holistic sort of thing. I'm like, yeah, meditation and stuff. And this is the thing, when you establish your brain type, the type of person you are, and if you are, and this does, a lot of the stuff that we're talking about resonates with you,— and you, and you think you are— don't, you don't need to get diagnosed necessarily unless you really think you have to. I think there's enough ways to get diagnosed online and stuff now, or do self-diagnosis. But then I started looking at not just the mind mapping, not just physical things to help with your business and action, but then what we can do to help stimulate ourselves. And so CBD and Lion's Mane. Then I thought about the health. Then I thought, well, I've tried meditation. Meditation doesn't really work for for me. Then I found Transcendental Meditation, all because I was looking at stuff that would help specific ADHD brains, people of our brain type. What's Transcendental Meditation? So it's, uh, it's, it's supposed to be the, the, the— some people say it's the most complex. I think it's the easiest, but maybe that's because it's known to help people with ADHD. But what you do is you focus on parts. So you start, you know, here, and you'll put your hand there, and you'll consider, and you'll think about out where your hand is and connecting with that part of your body. And then you'll go further and you're connecting with your heart and your throat and your head. And so rather than— and you don't do it in silence either, which is bloody marvelous because meditating in silence just freaks me out. And then trying to focus on something over the other side of the room, which some people have tried to get me to do before, and I'm thinking about this bit of the wall. And then what my head's going that bit of the wall. Yeah, there's— I need to do a bit of work on that. The skirting board is like blah blah, or the curtains are— and they're all— my head can't focus. All these other things between here and the other side of the room. Jesus. Like, again, exploding head syndrome as I'm trying to meditate. So Transcendental Meditation, I suppose— I don't know that— again, I don't know that much about it, but definitely recommend anybody this stuff resonates with looks at these things. Is it focuses and physically focuses you as well as you go through that process. And you can do it anywhere. You can do it sat in an airport, you can do it in the car, not while you're driving, but you can do it anywhere and it doesn't need to take that long. So again, that works very well for people of our brain type as well. So something to look into for sure. Alexander, that's— it's like, so you're connecting to your physical body, you're touching your body and you're focusing on that. Exactly. It's grounding you and rooting you in your bodies, which is taking you into the present. Because when we're in our mind, we're separated from the present moment, aren't we? We're off, we're in the future or the past generally when we're in our minds. We're not really in the present. So, and if you're focusing on your body, and I think that, yeah, I like the idea of like the touching the body and focusing on that sensation. It switches off the mind because you focused on, on the physical body. So you are grounded in the moment. I love that. Yeah, yeah. I've literally discovered this probably in the last 6 weeks. So I've done a couple of things. I don't know that I necessarily want to go down the path of getting trained with it, but it probably will be something I will do at some stage. And I know people that train in this area, so it's definitely something I want to look at and learn more about for sure. And it sounds a little bit like when you just described it then, like the heart space, the throat, and then the head. It sounds like the human chakra system. So, because that's obviously the heart, throat chakra, and the third eye. Yeah, exactly that. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, I might try that. I might try that. Um, just maybe just do some breathwork and just having your hand like on your heart and breathing and focusing where your hand is. Yeah, yeah, I quite like that. I shall be, I shall be testing that out this afternoon. Yeah, listen, there's, there's a couple of, there's a couple of very short and simple ways here that you can find that on YouTube as well. Again, I found I found it on YouTube when I was searching for all these things. But there are people that get specifically trained in this, as there are in sort of most decent meditations. But yeah, I think this is something that— I mean, I've done this probably 7 or 8 times. I'm not telling you I'd say I've done it every day, but every time I've done it, I do definitely feel slightly— I feel a lot calmer, different, and a bit more focused as well. So whatever it does, it works. And this is from somebody that really I really doesn't really or didn't really take on or really embrace meditation. Didn't really work for me, to be honest. Here's something I find interesting, right? You just shared there that when you do it, you feel calmer. So your day is calmer, better, and you do it 10 times. And I think people listening are guilty of this. I'm guilty of this. I'll find something like I'll maybe do meditation or yoga or something in the morning that grounds me. Or breathwork, or do a breath class, and then I have an amazing day and I feel really calm. I think, oh, I should do more of this, and then I don't. And then I'll maybe do it again in another 2 weeks. I think, oh, I should do more of this, and then I don't. Why do we do that? Like, if we know it's so good for us and we know it makes us have an amazing day or make us feel calm and more focused, why don't we do it every day? And it's all humans seem to do until it becomes like an ingrained habit. We'll do it, and then we just don't do it. I just find that fascinating. And again, the more you and I talk about these things, I do sort of think that you definitely have some of those traits. And again, these are probably the reason you do what you do. And so it's sort of a bit of an ADHD brain, but yet we often don't do the things we want to do. This is a thing. It's not about that we are lazy or we don't want to do stuff. Again, if you're going to do it and you've got it in a calendar, It's about blocking that time out. So you put it in there and that's when it becomes habitual. You've got to look at your calendar every morning and go, right, those are the things I've got to do. If I have a day when I haven't, and I get weeks where I haven't set the next week up, Janine, and I look at that Monday morning and I go, what am I going to do? I'm again, exploding head syndrome. I've got no idea until I put them in because I think about a million things that need to be done, not the things that need to be done right now. And that's, so again, you know, if you had it in the calendar and you could see it every day and it was there habitually, you would probably get into the habit of doing it. Yeah, somebody shared something with me a couple of weeks ago, and I thought it was quite a good way of incorporating habits in, is you, you link it to another habit, an already existing habit. Yeah, well, for example, if you, I don't know, make a cup of tea every day, so when you've got the kettle on, so you associate when the kettle's on, you do something. So some new habits, say, I don't know, you want to incorporate doing squats every day, it's like an exercise, so you do it whilst you're— while the kettle's on, or you do a little bit of breathwork, like 10 breaths, you know, take a breath in for 4, hold it for 4, out for 4. So you do it whilst the kettle's on, so you have an association. Or whilst you brush your teeth, you're doing your kegels, or whatever it is, you know, whatever things you want to do, but you, you link it to something that you automatically do every day. And I thought that's quite a powerful thing as well. So I'll give you that little nugget there. Try that one on for size, see if it works. You're right, there are certain— we then associate, don't we? We associate that with something else, and that's where there's those habits become, get formed, doesn't it? Yeah, but I'm gonna, and I think I like quite, I like having the morning routine as well, and I do it for a bit, but I'm gonna consciously make more of an effort now we've been having this. It's great. This is why it's good to have these conversations. It is for me. It reminds me, I go, oh yeah, I want to do a morning, uh, morning routine because my day goes so much better when I've got a morning routine. I'm pretty sure everybody's does. So if we all, you know, like made that effort just to give ourselves that 10-15 minutes every morning even if it means waking up those 10, 15 minutes earlier to give yourself that space. Yeah, I think, and if we can imagine if we all did that every day and we were all just much in a calmer, happier space, like how much better all of our lives would go. And just the flow, like just walking into work in that calm space and everybody being like that. I've got a slight little utopian thing that I'm building here in my mind. Wouldn't the world be wonderful? I love it. I'm gonna be taking tips you on this now. Let me know how that goes. I'll follow in your footsteps. Yeah, just want everyone to love everyone and be happy. Absolutely. Let's all just start with a hug. No, it's post-COVID and we can. Exactly, it doesn't matter now. We're all hugging. We're all hugging at the, uh, at EMC, weren't we, last week? You know, I love a hug. Heart connection. Love that. Right, so we've got a couple of minutes left. Um, so just to finish off, is there any little nuggets or anything you'd want to share with the listeners? I think I've given you— I think I've given a load of nuggets, to be honest, this morning. I mean, yeah, sure, you're talking about, you know, morning routines, you know, and I don't— I know we talk about this a lot more, what we feel we do, because, um, you know, I'm obviously regularly in Clubhouse and talking to, you know, people all the time. But, you know, the, the thing I would definitely say if you're going to start the morning is the first thing you need to do is try drink as much water as you possibly can first thing, because you'll be amazed at how brighter your eyes feel, let alone anything else, and how you feel when you do that in the morning. And if you don't do that already— you may already do it, but if you don't do that already, absolutely do that. Don't have a coffee first thing. Don't have a cup of tea. I know it may be standard, but when you start drinking water first thing in the morning, you won't want to stop. And it helps you to keep on drinking water through the day as well. So drink as much water as you can. And the other thing is, I know people people talk about having ice baths and having just cold showers. Honestly, with my brain, I'm having a completely cold shower doesn't work. But what does, and I've done this for many years, is have the normal shower and then have a blast of cold in the last couple of minutes. It does help to stimulate you. It's good for your cognitive sort of responses, etc. It's also good for cellulite as well because it boosts your circulation. So that's more for the ladies. And if you've got long hair, the cold water after it closes down the cuticles on your hair shaft, so it actually makes your hair nice and shiny too. So there you go, Elliot, beauty tips! You didn't even know it. No, I didn't know that. For my hair, maybe that's why I've got a good head of hair. Yes, you do have a good head of hair, it could be that cold shower. Elliot, that's all we've got time for. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you. Absolutely brilliant, lovely guest, welcome back anytime. This was the Eat Love Do Show on Women's Radio Station. Thank you for listening. We're on at 9 AM and 9 PM PM every week. Stay tuned, we'll see you next time. 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