Eat Love Do – Sue Moxley, Beauty, The Menopause And A Deep Dive Into Your Vagina

Hello and welcome. This is the Eat Love Do Show, exclusive to Women's Radio Station. I am Ginny Newbury and I have got a fab guest for you today, but before I bring her on, let's just do the usual intros. Remember to go over to our social medias, uh, our Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. It is @WomensRadioStn. And go to our YouTube channel, hit that like and subscribe because it really does help us and we love it when you support the channel. Also remember to head over to eatlovedo.com, which is my website where you'll find loads of interesting articles, many from the guests that have been on, and courses and loads of ways to upscale your life, get more, eat more healthy, love yourself and others, and do more awesome stuff in your life. Speaking of doing awesome stuff in your life, let's bring on this week's guest. I'm chatting today to the lovely Sue Moxley. She is the UK's leading beauty expert and she's a part-time singer as well. And she's a former model, so this is very close to my heart being a former model myself. Sue, welcome to the show. Hello, lovely to be here. Nice to be with you. But you're from Essex, you said, didn't you? I think, yeah. Where are you from, by the way? I'm from the north, and I always say that Essex people are the, um, it's like the, the northerners of the south because you've got, because you're all like really down to earth, really friendly, and just like really good-hearted people, which is very much like northerners. So you're all like, I would say that Yeah, no, that is, that is really, really true. So you can, I mean, I'm currently in Norfolk and people are a little bit more reserved here, you know, but if you're in Essex and you're in a restaurant or something and you go into the loo, you get chatting to Essex girls and within 10 minutes you're best mates, you know. Yeah, that's genuinely, that's genuinely what it's like. So yeah, I love Essex, I love the Essex people. Yeah, the northerners of the south. Yeah, there you go. Northerners are much the same, exactly the same. Oh yeah. Yeah, I love it. Like, chat to anyone and like help anyone anywhere I can. That's probably why I ended up doing this show, to be fair. But anyway, this is not about me. Yeah, yeah. So, so you are one of these experts. I mean, you've been on TV shows, you've presented TV makeover shows, you've got products out there, and you teach people about makeup as well, don't you? So Do you want to give us a little bit, um, of a little background on you and how you got started so everybody knows who you are? Yeah, so, um, it's not just makeup. I am an aesthetician actually, so I do do, uh, kind of like, you know, all the advanced, uh, treatments like Botox and fillers, etc. But, um, when I very first— my career started at 16 years old as a fashion model. Um, which I did for about 9 years. And, um, yeah, I traveled the world. I did quite well, you know, in England. It wasn't like it is now. We used to have to, uh, go to auditions with our portfolio of pictures. Yeah, we had to go to castings. And now, see, things just get sent over, don't they, by, you know, email. Um, what year did you start? Oh my God, you really want to know? Yeah. 1976. Really? Yeah. That was the year I was born. That's incredible. You started as a wee bairn, clearly. That's really made my day, you telling me that. No, I'm only joking. Yeah, 1976 till about 1984, about 9 years. It was so different. There's probably only maybe about 100 models in the whole of London. Yeah. And everyone, everyone knew each other and we'd all meet up on castings and go on trips together. And it was, it was a fun life. And then when I got to about 24, 25, the work started to dwindle a little bit. So I thought, I'll become a makeup artist.. And, um, yeah, so I trained in makeup, although I'd already kind of learned a lot being in photo shoots all my life. And, um, yeah, so that was my, my second career as a makeup artist, which went on for 25 years, really. Um, I worked on photo shoots in, um, mostly London and, and other places. And, you know, you'd have like a photo shoot, you'd have the makeup artist, the hairdresser, the stylist, the photographer. So yeah, I did that for many, many years. Yeah, behind the scenes rather than in front. Which did you prefer? I am a bit of a show-off, I think. I do quite like being the centre of attention sometimes, but it's a lot less stressful when you're kind of behind the scenes, I think. You know, the onus isn't on you. You just need to do a good job. And, uh, but yes, anyway, I built up that career, um, and I started to work a lot for like the newspapers and doing makeup. And, um, one day I met, uh— this is a true story— I met— I started to do Rebecca Brooks makeup. Do you remember Rebecca Brooks? No, who was she? She was the editor of The Sun newspaper. Okay. And the News of the World, and really high up in journalism. And I used to do her makeup most days because she would go out and, you know, have meetings with the Prime Minister and all sorts of things. And kind of like, I was always at her beck and call. Um, and I'd be in shoots all day and then her, her in the evening before she went out. And so I said to her one day, I was quite cheeky, you know, I said, Rebecca, you don't have a beauty page in the paper. And she went, no, we don't, do we? And I said, I would like to have one. And she said, oh, would you? And she agreed. And that's how that happened. I became the beauty editor of The Sun newspaper as well. That's incredible. Do you know what? If you don't ask, you don't get. Exactly, exactly. That's amazing. You created it yourself. That's fantastic. How long did you do that for? I did that for kind of like probably about 7 years. Um, Rebecca's PA, um, became my business partner and we launched our own makeup brand. Yeah. Um, and that was in Superdrug all over the country. Um, but it did have a bit of a sad ending, if I'm honest. I can be honest, can't I? Yeah, be honest. Yeah, so, um, I don't know if you remember, like, the hacking scandal. Do you remember the hacking scandal? Yeah, when they used to, like, the papers used to kind of like, um, hack people's phones and listen in. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah. Right, so, um, Rebecca got arrested, as, uh, you know, it was a very huge high-profile case. If you didn't, you might not have been aware of it if you wasn't in that kind of world, but, um, Yeah, she got arrested for phone hacking. So did my business partner, uh, who was just her PA. And then everything went downhill from there. I remember this. I don't think I was living in the UK at the time. I think I might have been in Cape Town or Bali, but I do remember this. It was a huge thing. And didn't the News of the World fall after that as well? Didn't it close down? Yes, yes, they did. The News of the World, um, he shut down— Murdoch shut down the, uh, News of the World. Um, and Rebecca and Cheryl were, were found like not guilty, but it was kind of like the damage had been done, really. Um, so yeah, um, around— what was the brand in Superdrug? It was called Famous by Sue Moxley. Oh, I think I remember seeing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was all over the country. So, uh, Um, yeah, of course we used to promote it as well in all the magazines and papers and things, but unfortunately that's what happened. But things happen in life, and, um, I went on and I, and I kind of have my own smaller brand now which I sell on my website. Um, what's that called? You can give it a flash. It's just Stu Moxie Pro Tools. Um, so they're just kind of like accessories, uh, brushes, because they don't go off, they don't have a shelf life. You know, whereas makeup does have a shelf life. Yeah, you know, you're supposed to throw your makeup away, aren't you? After— is it 3 or 6 months? I think— well, mascara even sooner than that, um, because where you're pumping air in and out of the mascara tube, you're putting in all sorts of germs and, you know, things like that. So yeah, mascara should be even, you know, maybe a maybe a month and you should get rid of it. Wow, that's good. That's good to know, isn't it? Because we're putting this stuff on our faces as women and even— yeah, right next to our eyes. So, you know, exactly. Yeah. And you can get eye infections and styes and things like that. So yes, at least change that. Foundations, lipsticks, eyeshadows go on forever, to be honest. That's good to know. Good to go. Yeah, I'm sure I've got eyeshadows in makeup bags in the back of my bathroom that are like years old, so that's good to know that they're still okay. You can still use those. Yeah, and powder blushes. Yeah, no, you're right. I remember I was once using a concealer around my eyes years ago and I got like almost like a rash. Like, I thought it was eczema at one point, but it wasn't, and it was from the concealer. It had been contaminated. So yeah, yeah, and it took months for that to clear up. So— oh no, did it? Yeah, no, you should always have, um, yeah, you should always kind of like detox your makeup bag every, uh, every now and then. Mine's due for it, to be honest. I won't show you, I won't show you inside my makeup bag. I'm not a— I'm a naughty girl. I should have done it. How often do you clean your makeup brushes? Um, not often enough, uh, but yes, I kind of tend to wash mine in, um, like just some Fairy Liquid, but diluted, uh, because some of the brush cleaners out there can damage your brushes. So, um, yeah, I think, or, or some mild shampoo, you know, and then let them dry naturally. Don't dry them with a hair dryer or something. I do that. I use a, I use a mild shampoo, rinse them, and then I just use a little bit of, um, the Makeup Brush Cleaner. I just sort of rinse it over and then rinse it off again with water, just so Yeah, it's like antiseptic or something, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. But I, I also don't do them as often as possible. I think doing that once a month is like a good— like, for everyone listening, how often should we clean our makeup brushes? As the expert, um, I suppose you should clean them every week, to be honest. Uh, you know, they're lying around. Who's got time for that, Sue? Maybe not the eyeshadow one, but if you have a foundation brush be careful, you know, because you can give yourself spots and things as well from contamination. So, so yeah, there you go. There you go, you've heard it here, top tips. Yeah, so, um, yeah, so then, uh, yeah, the makeup brand kind of, um, well, that, that all went, went to pieces really because of all of that. Um, again, would you not set up another makeup brand? No, not like that. No. I mean, the competition now is huge. It really is. And when I had my makeup brand, it was like we had a PR agent and obviously we used to get in lots of the magazines and newspapers and things. Now it's all about influencers, isn't it? Yeah. You know, it's a different— it's a different life completely. You know, I'd have to, um, get an influencer to use our makeup, and it might charge thousands of pounds or something. So it's just a different way of life. I don't think I'd— and there's so much competition. I wouldn't. I'm getting old, you know. You're not old, you're still young at heart. I know, but you know, people, people that, that buy makeup mostly are going to be younger girls. I know older women do too, but girls that are really into it are younger, and they're going to look up to, say, a younger person, I think. Anyway, I'm more in the menopause market now, Janine. Yeah, me too, me too. So, you know, you really shocked me when you said you started modeling at 76, because I thought you were around my age, maybe just a couple of years older, but not much. 62. You're 62? That's incredible. Obviously everyone's listening on the radio, so they can't see you, so head over to suemoxley.com. And, uh, yeah, suemoxley.co.uk. UK. Yeah, you are absolutely gorgeous and you still look incredible now. So I did— you do not look anything— do you know what, I think when you take care of yourself, um, and you actually do age slower, and I think when— for me, I find it really inspiring that you've just told me you're 62, you look incredible. And I think that sets a new standard of what, um, what is, you know, possible for a woman. I think a lot of women think they get into their 40s and their life's over and the looks are going to go in their 50s and 60s. And you used to look incredible at 62. So I find that really inspiring. Like, life is not over. Your beauty doesn't end with age. I think age is just something inside, inside us. And if you take care of yourself, you can look incredible all of your life. Yeah, you can. Um, but it does get harder, I think, Janine. I do think it gets harder as you get older, you know. Um, you just have to work a little bit harder at it. You know, for example, you know, it's easier to gain weight when you go through the menopause. I had that problem. And, you know, just everything gets a little bit harder, but you need to persevere. And like you say, look after yourself. I found that. I'm in perimenopause. I'm 47. I've been in perimenopause about 2 years now, but I've definitely gained more weight. I find it harder. Even when I exercise, I get more tired. So, yeah, I'm feeling it now. I'm not quite in menopause yet. It, but I'm definitely feeling it. But it's still possible, isn't it? And it's good to know that it is, and to look at someone like you and who's, who's doing it, and to shine the way for the women. So that is brilliant. That's about— yeah, I think that, um, just, just going back to the menopause, I think that it's much better now for people to get— for women to get information and advice because it's not such a behind-the-doors thing anymore. You know, it used to be that we didn't talk about it. And it was, oh God, you know, she's, she's old now and, and dried up and all of that kind of thing and past her childbearing. But I think women have come forward now and are much more open about it. Like I said, I write for a menopause magazine, and there's quite a few menopause magazines out there now. Which magazine do you write for? Oh, uh, it's called Menopause Life. Um, it's— there's a few, and there's a lot more information out there now. People like Davina McCall have, you know, brought it to the forefront, I think. Um, because I think that women did suffer, uh, quietly, you know. They didn't want to make a fuss, or, um, and doctors would just write out a prescription for HRT and send you away, you know, that kind of thing. It's just kind of swept under the rug, wasn't it, as women's problems? And yeah, and, and, you know, it can be really, really bad. I did have a really bad menopause. I'm not joking, it was, it was really bad. And, and then I had a lady in yesterday because I'm doing some, some work up here in Norfolk, and she said that she had her menopause and she didn't even know she'd had it. You know, so everybody is so different. Um, what did you go through with yours? What was, what's yours? Um, it's really, really personal, but I don't know, is that all right? I don't mind talking about it. Yeah, this, this is a completely open show. You can be completely honest, open, transparent. In fact, I actually encourage that because we need that, because we don't grow and help each other unless we're all completely honest. And I think, yeah, for women that step up and share and be completely honest, it, it allows other women to know, a, that they're not on their own if they're going through something themselves, or taught to be able to recognize it because they might be going through it and not know that it is menopause. And then just to know it's okay to share and speak up. This is a completely safe space, and I think the women that come and listen to my show come because they know that everyone's going to be completely honest. And I think, yeah, I, I, yes, so, um, I will share it with you because like you say, it's a, it's a ladies, uh, show, and, um, You know, okay, so, so yeah, I think I was about, I think I was about 50, and one day I was just like in a yoga class, and I remember thinking that it felt kind of strange that my, my skin around my kind of, you know, lady bits just tore. It just tore. What do you call it? The vajayjay. All right, yeah, my vajayjay. It tore. It literally just tore in a yoga class, and I didn't really know that's what had happened. I just felt something. And so I went home, had a look, and I thought, how odd is that? What has happened there? And, um, went to the GP, who was a lady, and she said, put some Vaseline on it and avoid riding bikes. And I thought, that's odd. And, um, that's where it all started. It got— it went from bad to worse, where I then became like unable to have sex at all. It was so— it was like a red hot poker. And I'd only really just got married for the second time, and, um, I was still in love with my new husband. I still am now, but you know, you know what it's like at the beginning. Yeah, it kind of changes. But, um, yeah, so I, I spent about 3 years trying to find out what was wrong with me through research, you know, because I couldn't understand. I had these terrible flare-ups, um, skin splitting and nerve pain, and, and it was just like, I just couldn't— I don't know. So I went to lots of different doctors, and this particular doctor said, you've got nerve pain around your you know, vagina, take these nerve pain tablets, which kind of sent me, my blood pressure up and all kinds of other symptoms. So I stopped taking those. I tried numbing cream and all sorts of things. Oestrogen deposit suppositories. So basically they were just giving you like plasters, Band-Aids to put on the cut rather than actually treating the cut. The cause of it. They were just trying to treat the source, weren't they? Yeah. Around that time though, I did go on to bioidentical hormones. Have you heard of that? No. Okay, so it's a very, um, it's a more natural way of taking hormones. And what they do is they take a blood test and you see exactly what it is that you need. You know, like how much testosterone you need. How much estrogen and how much progesterone, and then they specially make a compound for you. Do you know what, Sue? I, I literally 2 days ago just had a conversation. I've got a girlfriend over from America. She lives in LA and she— the doctors over there are very different to the ones in the UK and they've got her on all this stuff and the testosterone and this and that. And I said, I've got no idea who does this in the UK because I can feel that, I can feel that my hormones are out of balance because I'm going through a lot of the symptoms, but general GPs can't seem to be able to deal with it. And that you've just shared it now is just like incredible. I'm like, oh my God, this is what I need to do. And it's obviously what thousands and thousands of other women in mine and your situation are needing to be doing. So I can't even tell, I just feel like I just suddenly felt all emotional. It's a bit spooky. Yes, it's just like, oh my God. So I am so glad that you are on the show today. Okay, thank you. So I'll tell you a bit more about it. But, you know, they make up a special compound for you. And I, as far as I know, there's only one compounding place in England at the moment. So I don't understand why there aren't more. But it's in London. It's in the East End of London. So what happens is you take your blood test, your doctor or menopause doctor will read read your, you know, your, your, your results and then accordingly write you a prescription for what you need. And the difference with that is, is that if you go on conventional HRT, uh, that you get from the doctor, it's like one size fits all. Do you understand? Yeah. So like you could be taking too much or too little and you don't know. Yeah. And it takes you— is it— it takes forever to, um, to find out when you've got the balance. So that's why it's really, really good, the bioidentical hormone. And there are quite a few doctors around that do it, but the market isn't— it's not like, uh, there's not like hundreds of people out there. You do have to look for them, but I know certain doctors that do it if, if you wanted to know that. And maybe, maybe, yes, give me their information and I'll put it on the social media for anyone to do this because I think like even the HRT is not even available for people who are going through perimenopause. Even you've got to wait until your periods stop before they'll even put you on that. Really? I didn't even know that. I should know that. Well, what am I supposed to do then? Just wait until my period stops? I mean, you could start looking after yourself now if you wanted to. You could go to get a blood test. The only thing is, Janine, this isn't— a lot of this isn't available on the NHS. Yeah, women have to pay for it, you know, which is quite sad really, you know, because not everyone can afford it. You know, it's— you have to pay for your blood test, pay for your doctor, pay for your medicine, you know, pay for your HRT. So it's not a a great solution, uh, but hopefully if we shout loud enough, maybe it will be available on the NHS at some point. This is really life-changing for women, and I think women have been putting up with this stuff for years. Like, like you said, like, it's just normal, just getting older, and it's not. You know, we don't have to suffer like this and just accept that our bodies are behaving the way they are. We can, we can treat them and live amazing, happy, energized wonderful life still. Yeah, yeah. So in my journey of discovery, which did go on for a long, long time, um, I ended up with a visit to gynecologist who is, who is now my doctor, and I actually kind of love him in a way. He's like God to me because he, he, he had a machine. Yeah, and there's not many of these machines in England And it— is it all right to say what it's called? Yeah, go for it. Yeah, so the machine is called the Mona Lisa Touch, but there's also one, one called Femlift. And what it is, is it's a, um, it's like a laser that's inserted into your vagina. I know this sounds bizarre, and it fires, uh, you— he fires the laser and it thickens the wall of your vagina. Okay. Yeah. And he explained to me in one sentence what I'd been looking for for 3 years. He said that what happens is around the entrance of the vagina, you've got nerve endings. Okay. And where the skin has become so thin, basically your nerve endings are on fire around there. Do you get that? Yeah. And that's what the pain was. And it was like I actually cried when he told me that. And I said, I've been— it's— you've made sense in like a sentence, whereas all these other people never actually said to me, your nerve endings are exposed because your skin is so thin around that area, it's not covering them, and that's what causes the nerve pain. Wow. And did you have the treatment and did it work? I had the treatment and it worked amazingly. I had about 3 or 4 sessions. Once again, it's very expensive to have that. You know, you're talking £400 or £500. I got it per session. Yeah, per session. Yeah. Wow. Wow. And they're not even that easy to find, the machines. Um, I was so happy about what happened to me. Um, Mona Lisa, the people, they asked me to go and, um, speak at a doctor's conference. Yeah. Um, where they were going to present this, this laser machine to the doctors. And, um, so I did go and speak there about it, and an Italian man came up to me And he, he had actually invented the machine. And he said in Italy it's on the NHS. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And he said, I've, I've cured many, many women like you. I gave him a big hug as well. I think it is in France as well, you know, because I remember some French ladies telling me a couple of years back that when you have a baby in France, they then take care of your vagina. And help it heal up and retighten back up and get stronger again. Oh, there you go. Probably is, but yeah, not in England. They're not in England. That's just— yeah, let me just have to accept that they think that's how the vagina is now because they've given birth, but actually there's options. Yeah, there is. And that did cure me, to cure my nerve pain. And incredible. And then from then on, if I've kept up with the HRT, um, you should really test your blood every year. And I was a bit slack and I hadn't, I hadn't done it for 3 years. And I actually did it last week because I felt like a few symptoms were coming back. And I, it turns out that my estrogen's dropped again. Okay. Even lower. So now I have to up the estrogen in the bioidentical hormone. Yeah. Because I guess your body changes year on year, doesn't it? Yeah. You have to keep checking where your balances are, which makes sense. Yeah, this is— so yeah, hopefully that helps people out there, um, because yeah, people just don't have the information. And, uh, yeah, so yeah, and that's what you need to set up, some kind of thing to start trying to get into the NHS for women. Yeah, yeah, we could go— I don't know, Mona Lisa movement. Yeah, I mean, obviously not not that particular brand, but the fact that there are machines out there that help you. And, you know, it helps with all sorts of things, like urinary incontinence is another thing that happens with the menopause. You've got that to come, Janine, by the way. Brilliant. That's one to look forward to. Yay! Oh, great. So it helps with all of that as well. Yeah. My friend, she just, she had cancer and she, she survived the cancer, but she had the BRCA gene and so she had her womb removed and she went into premature menopause and she's just had a course of that FemLift and she said it's amazing. And yeah, she's good as new down there. She's not weeing herself anymore. Amazing. That's amazing. Yeah, I know you can strengthen the vagina because the vagina is obviously like a muscle, like the whole body's got muscle in it. And you can use— have you heard of like the Jade Eggs? Yes, I have. Yeah, yeah. So you can put them in and they've got like a little hole drilled in it so you can put like, um, it's almost like a dental floss but it's like, you know, one without the wax on. You can break through it and you can put little weights on it as well so that you can train your vagina like you would train your arm or any muscle in your body in the gym. So it's like a vaginal gym which you can do in your bathroom. Vaginal gym. Vaginal gym. We could set up a vaginal gym. Yeah, we could just set it up. Just come get a little— get in the cubicle, do some vagina gym exercises, and off you go. Yeah, yeah. No, I have heard of that. Yeah, so I mean, yoga and Pilates, they very much work on, um, your pelvic floor, don't they? Uh, I don't know if you've been to Pilates or— and it's, it's like very concentrated on that area, um, which is great. So If people can go to, to yoga, start yoga or Pilates and work on your pelvic floor, that's all going to help later on in life. Yeah, 100%. And if you can't get to a class, there's obviously free, um, stuff on YouTube or online, stuff, or people are teaching it online as well. You can just do something like Pilates or yoga. And then I, I, I do it when I'm, I'm in the gym as well, if I'm doing exercising. So say if I'm doing the pull-up exercise machine, I pull in my pelvic floor as I'm pulling. So I'm strengthening my internal as I'm doing regular exercise as well. Yes, yes. You can incorporate it into your regular exercise routine. Yeah. Or even just while you're sat in your chair, walking down the road, just do like maybe 10 or 20 little squeezes in, hold and let go. It will all help. Anyone else got any top tips? Feel free to share them with us. When I do that, when I do that though, it makes me feel like I've got to go on tiptoe. And I kind of like, I'd be walking down the street, just going up. I can't explain it. It's odd. You're lifting everything up. Yeah. So yeah, it might look odd if I was doing it walking down the street, but, um, yes. If I see you on tiptoe going down the street, I know what you're doing. Yeah. So, um, yeah. So, uh, but it's good to talk about this stuff because I've just learned so much already, and I'm sure people, the ladies listening have. Um, so this is great. This is great. You know, it does these conversations. It's, um, I actually quite like sharing about menopause because it is so bad. It can be bad. I'm not— so I don't mean to be, uh, you know, a negative. That's really negative. If you're having it bad, then there are options out there that will help you. So, but it's, it's just that you need to find out about them, and we need to get them out there. Basically, so we don't, and we don't know about it because it's not a conversation we have through our lives until we get to the point where we hit it. And if our friends around us haven't gone through it yet, because maybe they're a little bit younger, or, or we're maybe just starting to go through it, if we don't have people to turn to and speak to, because the older generations didn't really talk about it. So no, I think we're the generation now that's making it open and being on the forefront of that so that the younger generations coming up, they will benefit from that and it'll just be normal. For them. Yeah, yeah, definitely. So we have vaginal pioneers, Sue. No, but I mean, it can affect everything, can't it? It can, it can, you know, affect your mental health and depression. And because you're— you've, you've put on weight, you feel like your life might be over. Your life's only just— I mean, look, we can do— I'm actually one of those people that I never ever say that you're too old to do something, ever. You can do new things whatever age you are. Like, you know, I became— I always sung, but I was never a professional singer. I became a professional singer at the age of 50. That's amazing. So why, you know, why this? And then I know that you did a similar thing to me and you did the belief coding course. Yes, recently. Yeah, that's one of the things that help clients clear out their— I mean, I've done coaching and NLP and all kind of modalities for the last 20 years or so, but I've done that as well, which incorporates a lot of stuff I already use but in a really nice way, as you know. Yeah. Um, and it just shifts people's beliefs, and I'm having massive results with people, Sue. It's incredible. Like, yeah, I just spoke to a client last night, and she, um, I did a money block clearing session with her the beginning of the year, and then she had her best month financially she'd ever had in her entire life in January. Then she came back to me the next month, we worked on relationship stuff because she'd been through a series of, um, quite bad relationships. She'd been married to a narcissist and she'd had a series of bad relationships, and she just kind of had that thing where she's saying, there's just no good men out there, they've all gone, which I hear a lot of women saying, and guys about women as well. And I'm like, well, that's just not true, is it? It's just that we you haven't healed that part yourself. So we did some clearing for her, and it's about a month later, and she messaged me last night, and she's been dating this amazing guy, fallen completely in love, and together, and she's so happy. And it's like the nicest relationship and person she's ever been with. And once you do the healing and clear it out, it's like it transforms your life. So I'm very excited about that. Yes. Yeah, I mean, well, yes, like, so I was just saying though, you know, I'm, I'm 60. I haven't finished that course yet, but Um, you know, you can— it— I started that when I was kind of like 62, you know. Um, it's never too late to try something new, so whatever it is, whatever it is. Yeah, it's never too— yeah, we can do, we can do and create anything we want, can't we? And I think sometimes we forget that along the way because we go through stuff in life. So yeah, inspiration, Sue. I love it. So tell us about your singing. So where are you doing this and what kind, what kind of music, what kind of songs? Oh, it's very old-fashioned because my husband was, um, a pop star in the '80s, and so we do a lot of '60s Motown, '70s kind of stuff, '80s. And they're really, really— who's your husband, for anyone listening? Um, David Van Day from Dollar. You're pretty well before your time, probably. I don't know who that is. You don't know who it is? Exactly. Anyone of my age will. Okay, just gonna be honest, Sue. I can only ever be honest. Yeah, no, you probably would know him. He was in the Jungle and things like that as well. I don't know his music though. I'm terrible on knowing people are, but I always know songs when I hear it. I don't tell anyone, but I don't actually like the dollar music. Uh, it's all right, nobody knows you've said that. I know, I hope you don't listen to this show. But, um, no, before that he was in a group called Guys and Dolls who were lovely and I loved their music. Yeah. And then he was in, um, Dollar, and I— they're just very hard to sing and not really— I like— we like to get people up and dancing, and those particular songs are more songs that you listen to rather than dance to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if that makes sense. And then favorites, what's your favorite songs that you're singing? Um, I do kind of like It's Raining Men and a bit of ABBA and a bit of— it's all really, really sing-along. And then David was lastly was in a band called Bucks Fizz, not the original one. Yeah, but not the original one. There you go, that's my impression of Bucks Fizz. But one of the best songs that we do do is at the very end, Making Your Mind Up, and everybody gets up. That was it, Making Your Mind Up. Yeah, yeah. Was that what you were singing? I'd never have known. I couldn't remember the words. Making your mind up. That's it. Oh, I used to love Bucks Fizz. I remember watching it when I was a kid. It was on Top of the Pops. Yeah, yeah. So do you want to give us a little sample of your singing? I'll put a bit of peer pressure on you now. You don't have to, but if you would love to, we'd love to hear a bit. What, now? Yeah, why not? Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down. Is that enough? Yeah. That song comes from— that's not even one of my songs. David sings that one. Yes, no, no, I mean, no, it's a bit hard to sing without any music, to be honest. Yeah, um, but there you go, a couple of lines. Thank you. It's just a really fun act, so we do like caravan, you know, holiday parks and restaurants and things, and private parties, that kind of thing. That's brilliant. So, uh, so where are you up next? Where can, where can somebody come and listen to you and have a bit of fun? Um, we're in, um, Yeah, we're in Billericay next in, in Essex. Uh, I can't remember the name of the place though. I'll have to get back to you on that. It's a restaurant, but it's gone out of my head. Um, that's our next one anyway, uh, in, yeah, in early April 2nd or something. Right, brilliant. I'll send that to you. Yeah, send me. I might come over. Yeah. Oh, I do love a fun night out. No, it is, it's really daft. It's like, it's one of those nights where you go, I had a really good time, you know, just dancing and singing along and that kind of thing, really. Do you know what, that's brilliant. And I think, I think it's great you do this. A lot of people would sort of love or aspirations to do stuff like that in life, but they wouldn't dare do it. So the fact that you've just gone out there and you're just doing it and having fun and just trying stuff, I think, I'm hoping that's inspiring anyone who's listening who's thinking about trying, trying something new and doing something, just go for it, give it a go. You never know. Yeah, why not? Why not? Why not? Just do whatever you want to do. We've only got one life, haven't we? And, you know, I mean, being quite sad really, I lost like most of my family now, um, recently, like my mom a year ago and my dad and my brother. And it really does make you think, you know, how many years I've got left on the planet, and I'm gonna make the most of every minute and every day. Um, don't, don't do things that you don't want to do, you know. It's like if you're in a job that you really hate, try and find a job that you really love, even if you have to, you know, take a cut in your, your wages or anything like that, you know. Do, do something that you love, um, because we're Yeah, time is precious. It is precious time. It is indeed. And I think we spend a lot of our life working as well, don't we? So if you're doing something that you hate, that's gonna have a toll on your mental health, your actual health, your life, your happiness. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, 100% behind on that one. So you were— so you mentioned that you did like Botox and fillers as well. So do you do that? You still do that professionally? Or— yes, so that's, that's kind of like my main The thing that I do now is I have a clinic. It's in— it's, it's not on a high street, it is on the side of my house. Um, and I do advanced aesthetics, like, so fillers, Botox, skin boosters, fibroblast, all of those type of things. Um, and I do teach it as well. I have like a, an academy and Yeah, people come to me and they learn to do certain things and it's accredited and licensed and, and all of that really. So yeah, that's what I do. And I get talking. Most of the people that come to me are ladies kind of of around 50 upwards. And yeah, I love, I love meeting up and we have a chat and that's when we get talking about the menopause as well. Do you offer the treatment, the, like one of the fem, like the Vijayjay treatments? Do you have that in your salon? Do you know what? I don't. And I, I could not afford to buy one of those machines. Are they really expensive? Yeah. Like I haven't, you know, you would need, I mean, you're talking thousands and thousands. So I don't financially have the money to do that. I could maybe rent one. I'll look into that actually. Because yeah, be part of the solution. See, part of the solution. Yeah, yeah, come to our vaginal JJ— is what you call it, JJ? The JJ of the JJ Clinic. Yeah, I'll call it that, Sue's JJ Clinic. Yeah, I mean, it's expensive. You have to do a lot of vaginas to get your money back, wouldn't you? You would, wouldn't you? And I'm wondering if I might get a bit bored with vaginas. I like— I cannot not look at another woman's vagina. No, my friend said that to me yesterday. She does, she does laser for hair removal. Yeah. And she said that she'd actually seen an awful lot of vaginas that week and she needed to, to go out and de-traumatize herself. That made me laugh. She didn't mean it, she just— it did make me laugh though. Is that so? Is it the Brazilian or the full thing off? Is that still popular? Yeah, she says it's the full thing. Yeah, they have to. I've never had the full thing myself, maybe because I'm a bit older, but yeah. Me neither. I just think it looks weird. I think children have no pubic hair. I think women— Yeah, it's a bit kinky almost. Yeah, I think a little bit. Yeah, I don't like that, but the landing strip is fine with me. Yeah, little landing strip just to show them where to go. Yeah. Which direction to head in. Yeah, I shaved mine into an arrow. No, I don't really. Little flashing lights, little instruction manual tattooed on your leg. Yeah. Oh dear. At least you've had a laugh with me, haven't you? It's because we're from— it's because I'm from Essex. Yeah, yeah, down to it. Yeah, I knew I'd have a laugh with you. So, so what's the name of your place where you, where you teach people how to— because Because this is great. You're actually teaching, I'm assuming, women or guys to go out and create their own businesses so they can— Yeah, I have, I have actually taught a couple of guys, mostly men, mostly women, sorry. But I have actually taught a couple of guys. It's just Sumoxy Beauty. And if you, when you're on my website, it goes, you know, it says training and then it says like treatments. It's all different, different things on there. I also talk about the menopause on there as well. So, um, it's all on the one website, really. That's great. It's a great resource. So yeah, yeah, head over there. So what are the other treatments? Tell us about— you mentioned some of the other treatments. I didn't know what they were. Explain what they are. Okay, so fibroblast skin tightening is— it's a relatively— it's not really new. It's been around for about kind of like 8 years. It's, it's— I don't know if you've ever seen when you like, it's like burning tiny little dots on people's faces. Have you ever seen that? On YouTube or something. Yeah, what's the one called? Pelleve or Thermage? Is it something like that? Is it like a similar— No, no, you're, um, no, that's a different treatment altogether. Um, that's more like a laser, uh, treatment, what you're talking about, Thermage. Um, so that kind of heats up the collagen in the skin and stimulates it. Yeah. Um, encouraging it to grow, but Fibroblast skin tightening is tiny, it's like a little device and it all— it almost looks like you're burning someone's face, but in actual fact it's a very controlled burn, um, created by a plasma arc and it tightens the skin. Um, so it kind of damages the skin, which makes it repair itself, so that's why it tightens. Totally, totally does that. But you know, it's— it was very, very, uh, popular Um, but it's— it's not— can that cause scarring? It can, in the wrong hands. Yeah, it can. So it's not my most favorite treatment anymore because the downtime is long. You know, you have those, um, dots on your face or eyes for about a week, maybe 10 days. So people that don't want people to know what they've had done, you know, it, it's difficult, the downtime on that. Um, it's slightly painful procedure as well, even though I use the best numbing cream. So I'm putting it down, aren't I? Don't mean to. It's great, give it a go. Do you know what? It's very good for eyelids. It is fantastic for eyelids. That's like that hooded eye. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. It's an alternative surgery. But, um, so I'm— I like doing eyelids and under eyes with it, but big areas, it's, uh, no, not so happy with that. Um, yeah, so what else we do? Skin boosters. So have you heard of things like Profhilo? Oh yeah, isn't that, um, like it hydrates the skin? And yes, exactly. Yeah, so skin boosters are very popular and they're very safe. They're not, it's not like a dermal filler, but it is, um, they are injections very superficially under the skin, and it's like moisturizing your skin from inside out. Okay, so it's not like a Botox or a filler? No, not at all. It's, it's pure hyaluronic acid, or it has amino acids in it. And, um, yeah, it's, it's fantastic for like a, a big event if you're going somewhere. It really does look amazing. But once again, it's not permanent solution. It's something that you have to keep up. How often would you do the treatment like that? You need a couple to start with. I mean, there are alternatives. There's— there are cheaper alternatives which I use a lot, and then you'd have to top it up kind of like every 4 to 5 months. Okay, so yeah, that's good. That boosts the moisture, so it makes your skin look more plump and healthy. Oh yeah, it's amazing because you literally, you that you inject and the little wrinkles all disappear. And, um, I think you need to inject my entire body, Sue. But, um, yeah, you can use it on hands and, and necks. And I mean, I mean, yeah, yeah, you could, you can use it there. So that, that's a nice treatment. But, um, and obviously fillers are a little bit more, not permanent, but they last longer. You know, you get 9 months out of them, maybe longer sometimes. Okay, so anyone listening who doesn't understand what Botox or fillers are, do you want to just explain that and the difference in case they're interested in maybe trying it? Yeah, because people come to me and they are confused. You're right, they— so Botox is, um, basically a brand name. Botox is a brand name. It's actually There's loads of different brands out there, but Botox, for some reason people call it Botox, but it's actually a brand name. Um, it's anti-wrinkle injections is what I call it, because then you can use any of the brands and not actually Botox. Am I making that clear that Botox is the brand name? It's like, not the actual treatment. Tampax is a brand name, but it's actually a tampon. Yes, that's it, exactly that. Back to nannies again, right? It's been a theme of the show, isn't it? Yeah. Um, so yeah, so, so, so Botox, you inject into a muscle, whether it be between the brows, in the forehead, um, around the eyes, and it temporarily paralyzes that muscle. And it was originally used for um, cerebral palsy, uh, because, you know, children that can't flatten their feet when they walk, it releases the tightness of the muscle. And it was used in, in things like that. And then someone discovered that it actually stops the wrinkles, because if you're not using that muscle, then you are not going to make those wrinkles on your face, or the ones that you already have they're going to subside because you temporarily can't frown or smile. Or, you know, when you see someone on the TV, they've had too much, they can't actually move their face at all. Yeah, I think we've all seen that. Yeah, yeah, I don't do that. I don't do that to people. Um, though I have people ask me for that though. They go, um, I don't want to be able to move my head at all. And I go, okay, maybe a little bit of movement would be good. But yeah, it's done well. Like a living doll, wouldn't you? This looks a bit weird, like a Mattel model. So basically, Botox or Botox anti-wrinkle injections freeze the muscle temporarily, which stops wrinkles appearing. It stops new ones coming. And it helps with ones that you already have. Filler. So it's a prevention and a temporary cure to the muscle. Yes, it definitely is prevention. And, you know, you said that I look good for my age. Um, I do think some of it is genes, but I started having Botox when I was about 39, and I don't have to have it anymore, um, because my muscles probably just don't really work in the same way, you know. Um, it's like over time, if they don't, they've built— you've built up a kind of like a, um, an immunity. And, um, that's really interesting because there's a lot of people say it's not been around long enough, we don't know what the long-term effects are. So you've been doing it for what, 20, 22 years? Oh God, yeah, yeah. So now it's very, it's very safe actually. I mean Fillers are far more dangerous than, than, uh, anti-wrinkle. They are. Why is that? And what is a filler? Well, so the, the worst thing that can happen with anti-wrinkle is you could get it in, um, a muscle and cause an eye droop. Okay, that's the very worst thing that can happen. And yet, if that happens, no, you have to wait for that to wear off. So eventually go back to normal. Yeah, it would, it would take about 8 weeks, and that is the very, very worst case scenario. Apart from that, it can't do you any damage. Fillers, on the other hand, can block arteries, and if it's, if it's done badly, there can be problems. Yeah, you can get necrosis. Which is the skin dying and, um, in an extreme case, blindness. But I mean, I'm being really extreme here. The, the good thing about that is there is an antidote to that. There is something that you can use which dilutes the filler really, really quickly, you know, within hours. So, but I'm talking about really bad, horrible things here. The majority of people have treatments and they're very happy. But it's good to know that too, and know that if someone does have such an adverse effect, that there is a solution as well. Like, no, yes, there is a solution. Um, but be careful who you go to. I mean, I'm not actually a nurse, and so sometimes even I get stick, even though I've done many, many, many exams and and, um, have loads of qualifications in the subject. Some people say, but you're not a nurse. But I do know, um, I know my stuff, if you know what I mean. But there are young girls out there that do go on a half-day course and then start putting fillers in people's faces. That's dangerous. That is dangerous. Yeah, it can be dangerous. So be very careful. I think anyone that's doing one or a half day course and they're messing with people's faces or minds is, is dangerous. And there needs to be some sort of thing clamped down on that, isn't there? Like, yeah, but it's one of those things where everyone says there's going to be new laws and they never seem to happen. Although now there is a law and it is— it was passed in Parliament that anyone under the age of 18 cannot have fillers or anti-wrinkle injections, even with their parents' permission. Yeah, I mean, I don't think you even need it at that age. Why would you even need it in your 20s even, like, you know? Well, that's why you get girls with, um, really big lips, because they have like 3ml in their lip, and because they want to be like, you know, uh, people that they see on Instagram. And obviously Instagram is full of retouched pictures with filters and all of that. Yeah, but yeah, the younger girls want to get those huge lips because their friends have them. All right. And it is dangerous. Yeah, I had a young girl come to me. She'd gone— she's so beautiful as well, she's only mid-20s, and she'd had loads and loads of jaw filler, um, lip filler, uh, and she asked me to dissolve it all. She said she just didn't really look like herself anymore. Yeah. And I dissolved it all, and that's it. She's kind of done now, you know. She, she realized that she'd gone too far and actually didn't even look like herself anymore. Um, so yeah, it's a good thing that under-18s can't, can't go around and, and have that, though I'm sure there are people that are that are doing it to under-18s. But yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I think that's a good thing as well. Yeah. So what was it? I mean, because I think we all remember in the press, like, Leslie Ash, like, what happened to her was— I think that was lip fillers though that she had, wasn't it? On her face? No, I think that, that wasn't fillers that she had. I think she had like a skin transplant, so they took fat from somewhere and and put it into her lips, um, which was another way of doing things. Don't— you don't get that as much, but she had— I think she had an allergic reaction to it. Yeah. And, um, that's what happened to her. And it's like that wasn't reversible because it was an allergic reaction? Well, it wasn't a filler. You, you could have it taken out. Of course you can, you know, go back in and take it out and and the allergic reaction is probably going to calm down over time with steroids or antihistamines or something. But that was very unfortunate what happened to her. And then unfortunately it gave everything a really bad name because they still— you still, like you said, you still get people going, I don't want to get the Ashley— the Leslie Ash look, you know. Yeah, it's not exactly a look, is it? It was an accident. But yeah, but yeah, it's very unfortunate that happened and It's quite rare, to be honest. Um, so yeah, it's a shame. I haven't seen her, and I haven't seen her in the press or news for years. I have no idea. I don't think she's very well, actually. From the last thing I remembered, I think she might have some kind of immune disorder, and that could be why she had a reaction in the first place, you know. Makes sense. Yeah, yeah, there's something going on there, and, um, Yeah, I think last time I saw her was— it must be quite a few years, but maybe about 7 or 8 years ago. Her fella used to have a bar on the King's Road called Juju, and she's right, quite a lot. And I used to date a chap that was friends with him, him and her, so I hung out with him a couple of times. But she— I think she has something wrong with her leg or something back then. I think I remember it very well back then. Yeah, I think you're right, there is something wrong with her leg or immune system or something. I think she had marital problems as well. Which probably didn't help. Anyway, yeah, I think things as women go through, Sue. I know, I know. But this is incredible what you're doing, and you're teaching people to do it properly and actually with care and in a way that actually works people and doesn't damage people. So that's incredible. So if anyone's wanting to get their face zhuzhed, I think Sue's the lady to go to. Yeah, come on round, and we always have a good chat and a laugh. As well. And, um, and we can discuss vaginas if you want. No hole is barred. That's very good. You should be on the stage, Janine. Medium. Um, I'm currently in Norfolk where we've got a holiday home which we rent out to holidaymakers, but there's no one here at the moment. I have done some work down here. I've got some clients here, but we spend a lot of time walking on the beaches with the dogs. Nice. And it's really lovely and it's very quiet here. It's fresh air, lots of walking. Anyway, on that, I'm gonna have to say bye because we've run out of time. So, oh, okay. It's been an absolute pleasure chatting with you. Thank you. And for sharing all that amazing gold and information. I've learned so much just from listening to you and you're very inspiring., and I'm sure all the women listening have been inspired by you. Um, best of luck with your singing. I will definitely be along to one of your gigs with you and your hubby. Yeah, come down. I'd love to. Yeah. And, uh, I just want to say everyone, thanks for listening. It'll be on 9 AM— thank you— 9 AM and 9 PM every day all week, the Eat Love Do Show, uh, with Janine Newbury. I've been your hostess, um, with the guests that have the mostest information. Thank you. Goodbye.