Kitchen Sink Spirituality – Adele Winkley

This is women's radio station. You're listening to Avril Price with Kitchen Sink Spirituality, the voice of holistic London. And welcome to you listeners. Thanks for tuning in. And this afternoon we have the very wonderful Adele Winkley. Hello, Adele. Hello, Avril. And welcome to Kitchen Sink Spirituality. Now, Adele, you are a small business coach and an intuitive energy practitioner, is that right? That's correct, yes. Can you tell us a little bit more about that title, please? The title Avril came together after many years of working in the city in public relations and then finally having to leave that area of work. So then to fuse that with my spiritual side and put together my own creation, my own business. So what I do now is I focus on helping people create small business or for people to smooth their path through life change and also help them through life shifts as well. Because there seems to be a lot of people who really struggle with getting onto the right path and really having a life in alignment with their soul's purpose as well. So the reason that I call myself a small business coach and also make it clear that I do the energy healing as well, I use Reiki intuitive Reiki as my healing modality because those two things combined help people through what I believe is an exciting time in life, but also quite a scary time of life. And you're making these big transitions now. I'm always by this title small business coach. I mean, what do you mean by small business? Small business is anything from somebody operating a business, a mumpreneur, for example, around the kitchen table. It could be somebody with. They're just a one man band or two man band. A really small business where the people involved are everything from the creative directors to the IT people to the HR people, the marketing, they're doing their sales, they're doing their own accounting. You know, they're really starting the business from absolute grassroots. They're having to learn along the way as well. So to actually find and afford support when you need it can be a real hurdle for a lot of small businesses and a lot of independent people that want to take an idea from concept and bring it into life. You know, really create something from their idea. So rather than sort of stay in that place of overwhelm and that feeling that you've got to have lots and lots of money and huge bank loans behind you to do things, I actually help people really find their way forward using their own gifts to start with and then really identify what it is they can offer people through their service or their product. How help them find their USP and then also really align the business owner with the business. And there's a big reason for that as well, Avril, because I feel these days that a lot of people are getting quite cynical about bigger brands. People like to know what goes on behind the scenes of a business. And I've noticed with small business that people seem to enjoy buying from small business because they feel like they're buying into something more authentic. So what I do as a coach is I really help people really work with their authenticity and get really aligned with their product offering, their service offering, and then make sure that they're showing that through consistent marketing, through the way that they actually offer their product and also how they actually share their service offering as well so that the customer has a consistent experience. That sounds fascinating. I have to say. I was going to ask you about what your role was. I think you've probably answered that to some degree. So if somebody contacts you, what are your first steps with them? My first steps with the Mavril are really to ask them about their dreams. And I know that sounds really airy fairy, but we all have a reason and we all have purpose behind what we want to do for a living. And it never ceases to amaze me the range of reasons and motivations for people in business and wanting to start a business or maybe even why they're stuck in business. I feel when people contact me that they need to share something. They need to also share what it is that's driving them. So what I tend to do is really look at the overall picture and where the business fits in with their life. And from that perspective, what we do is we can unwrap things to see really what gifts they're hiding, what is it that they're not tapping into within themselves, creatively for solutions, that sort of thing. Because the spiritual part of me, Avril, firmly believes that the solutions really, truly do lie within. And it might simply be that we need to look for expertise outside our practice, such as accountants and people like that, you know, to do the real sort of nuts and bolts stuff and sign things off. But when people are really listening to their dreams, really listening to their motivations, you can gain a lot of clarity from what kind of support they'd need from me, I don't believe it's for me to tell somebody what kind of support they need. It's for their situation and for them to identify the gaps. And then what I try to do is help them fill those gaps and empower them for the longer term. I think I probably do myself a disservice because what I try to do is is not put people in a position where they're dependent on me for the long term. The purpose of them engaging with me really is for empowerment as well, so that they can learn how to find solutions in business. 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So that's actually a point I want to go back to because that's how we started off initially. Yeah. So I just want to digress a little bit. How do you see soul alignment, say, in the corporate world? Do you, do you still think that there might be a fit there? It's a really interesting one, Avril, because I think that we're becoming more and more aware of people's well being in the workplace. And from what I see, and from my own experience, I noticed that HR professionals, line managers, right through the corporate structure, they're really trying to address work life balance, for one, in terms of alignment. Just to really come back to that more specifically, when people are, you know, they go through their appraisals and their reviews each year and that can be a very uncomfortable experience for both the person, you know, appraising and the appraisee for various reasons, Avril. But but usually if there are problems, it's sort of square peg, round hole. So what I notice is happening is there is more attention being paid now to the individual and who the person is. And I feel that the more work that corporations do, that larger organizations do to understand the motivations for people turning up to work in the first place, it isn't just about money these days, it is about a sense of fulfillment. And when things don't feel quite right and we're stressing out and people are working longer and longer hours to just hold their position and then they go home and they wonder what they're getting out of it. Where does this fit in my life? We understand that there has to be trade offs in life. There's opportunity, cost for everything. We can't be in two places at once. But when people are in the right job and they're working hard, the rewards are that feeling that they are in flow, that things aren't exhausting them, that they're putting the right kind of energy into their work every day with a certain confidence. They find their environment inspiring, they're inspired by their colleagues. There are really. I've had a very positive experience in that sense in the city, you know, I worked on an investment floor but people weren't waving their hands and things. It was a very sort of cerebral, very collegiate atmosphere. And I feel that if organisations want to improve working environments then they really need to be paying more attention to the individual's motivations for turning up to work every day and what they really want from that. Just so that the energy each day is coming from within, coming from the right place within them and not from a place of panic and must, must do, I must do this, I must do that. So it sounds to me that what you're talking about is something quite vocational that it's about perhaps, you know, there's a sense of you destined to do a particular job because therein lies a kind of a life purpose or a self fulfillment, you know. And I suppose in that terms, you know, the historically vocational professions like teaching, because I think that teachers are born, not created, for example, and I think, and nursing would be another one. But you know, certainly from the consultations that I have with people, what I've found is that people don't have a vision anymore. They, they don't know what they want to do. They, you know, they often come and ask. Well, you know, I'm, I'm not sure if this is the right career for me. It's gone a bit stale. I've outgrown it. I don't know what my next move is and say, okay, well, what would you like to do? And that's when we hit the brick wall because they don't really have any idea. Do you find that yourself in the work that you do? I do, I do, Avril. And it isn't just about starting your own business. It is about the realisation of what makes you tick. And we're sort of missold a story, I feel, at school when we fill out our college forms, our university forms, and the story we're told is that we choose our career now and rather than have the perspective that we choose something to learn a skill to then go away and apply it and then learn other skills along the way, that for me is a more wholesome way to approach life. And I feel as though when people come to me and as you've just described there, when people come to you for consultation and support, their spirit is sapped and disconnected from, from what they're doing every day. So they're getting out of bed and they just feel as though they're robotic in what they're doing rather than living from inspiration and sole purpose and that natural drive. Because when we're in Floavril, as you know, when you create your gorgeous workshops, you know, the inspiration just hits you and the body tingles that you get when you have an idea and then you fly with it and you start pulling it together and creating the content. It's a wonderful feeling. And I don't doubt that there are large organisations where there's employees where for the employees in the right jobs that they get those body tingles. Why not? Why not? However, I do feel that, as you've described there, people forget that they're allowed to feel that when they go to work and they're allowed to ask themselves and then make some inquiries gently at work, perhaps, you know, how can they get more out of their job? How can they bring more of their authentic self to their job? Because that, I feel, is a more sustainable energy through working life than to fit into these sort of silos that we create in the workplace. I think authentic self has become a bit of a buzz phrase. What does that mean to you, Avril? From my own experiences, authentic self is for me, it is about the body tingles, it is about knowing that I'm speaking my truth, I'm enjoying what I do. And even when you're in alignment and you are sharing your purpose, your knowing that you're tapping into limitless inspiration. So when we're listening to our authentic self, I the reality is that we all have fear and we all encounter blocks. We also have an ego to deal with as well. But our authentic self is our inner knowing. It's our lantern. It's the lantern that we hold in front of us and it lights our path forward. Do you think you have what it takes to be a presenter on Women's Radio station? Do you have a burning passion or talent? You want to be heard? We aim to empower and amplify women everywhere and would love to hear from you. Email getinvolvedwomensradiostation.com to give us your voice. 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And when I was at school, I knew I loved business. I was studying sociology, psychology, economics, A levels. I didn't do terribly well in my A levels. My parents were going through divorce. It was a terrible, terrible time. And I was accepted into every single university I applied to. But it just didn't work out for me to go to those places head in hands on results day. What on earth do I do now? And something told me to just choose a city you think you'll enjoy and stuff the rest of it. So I chose Edinburgh and I had a wonderful time. It was an inspiring city. I mean, the Scots, I mean, you know what they were like. They had longer pub hours than they did in the uk, in the rest of England rather. And it was the best choice for me as a student, frankly. The social life was fantastic, the culture was wonderful. But it wasn't just that. April at Avril, I was meant to be there. Something happened very quickly into my university course there. I got a fantastic little part time job in public relations working for the Chancellor of the Exchequer's now wife. Well, Gordon Brown's now wife. And I worked in public relations in this wonderful consultancy at a key time during Scottish devolution. So there I was, this lass from the Yorkshire Dales. I didn't know a single person in Edinburgh at all until I got there, threw myself in and was studying business full time. And then turning up part time, still handing my assignments in on time and going out with my flatmates pretty much every other night. How I did it and how I had the energy, I do not know. But that is being in flow and we all know when we're in flow because you just find the energy, it's just there. So that stood me in fantastic stead, Avril, because I then met someone and then I decided to go and complete my studies over in Australia and I finished off my university study studies doing post grad in business and majoring in marketing and public relations. And because I'd gone to Edinburgh and because I'd had my PR job, doors opened for me really quite naturally without me really trying. Look at a website of a company I wanted to go and work for, aimed for it, went for it, got a little job all because I flunked my A levels. I was meant to. It wasn't because the knowledge wasn't there, things hadn't lined up for me at that time, but doors opened further down the line because I thought to myself, what am I going to enjoy most here? What really is it that's gonna light my fire? And for me it was being in a great city at that time in my life. So then fast forward and I have some, come back to the UK and I get a little job in a lovely little dress shop until I find some work again in public relations in a big agency. Got into a fantastic agency, worked there for a couple of years and realised that agency side wasn't all it was cracked up to be for me. I was gaining great experience working. I was on accounts with government departments for large corporates. So the breadth of experience was fantastic. And there were a couple of strange characters in the office making my life a little bit uncomfortable. Wasn't very grateful for it and I thought to myself, there must be more to life than this. Bring it on. And then one day, out of the blue, after I'd been overlooked for a pay rise, I received a call. Hi, Adele, can't really tell you where we've got your details from, but we'd like to let you know there's somebody who'd be very interested in you working for them in house at a major luxury beauty brand in their press office. Would you be interested in going for an interview? Would I? Would I? Ever so off I went for the job interview and guess what, Avril. I got it. I got it. Oh, well done. It was a life of face creams, lipsticks, exfoliation, wonderful parties in the beauty industry. In the luxury beauty industry. It was a girl's dream. And all these things led me to these. Yet another wonderful experience. What I've learned over time, Avril, is that when things, when your time is meant, when you're meant to be moving on, life will start to flash you a big sign. And again, things didn't were great for a period of time. There was no clear path forward for me at that company where I worked in the luxury beauty industry. Wonderful experience, wonderful exposure to all the top magazines and the editors and parties and it was just wonderful. However, it wasn't the end of the road for me. So life will show you. Or you know, if you speak to angelic healers, for instance, they'll say angel Michael will come in and with his sword he'll cut those cords and release you so that you can move forward and then move on to your next experience. And that's exactly what happened for me. It was time for me to leave public relations and then get deeper into the corporate world and really look at the mechanics and the financial side and then go off to work on investment floors of buying and selling companies and supporting teams of business men and women who were buying and selling shares. That's quite a rise to glory, really. It's a great story and you tell it well. Thank you, thank you. It's women's radio station promotes positive educational programs and we want to create our own news segment but with good news instead of the doom and gloom usually broadcast. Did your dog have puppies? Is the new town mayor a woman? Did you pass that big exam? It can be anything. Record your own good news segment and send to get involved@womensradiostation.com for a chance to have your good news on air. Women's radio station the voice of women worldwide win 100 pound in Amazon vouchers, the incredible online store with a huge selection of products and speedy next day delivery. 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We open Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays with two late nights a week. Please call 01702 39, 0916 or barbershoprockabilly.co.uk. you're listening to Women's radio station with Avril Price kitchen sink spirituality and the voice of holistic London. And we're in conversation with the very lovely Adele Winkley who is telling us a little bit about her backstory in how she got to be where she is today. So do continue Adele where were we? This riveting tail Avril it does feel like many moons ago, but as I look back now, I really appreciate everything I've been through with my career and I am glad of the changes and at the time change can feel so uncomfortable, can't can feel. We can feel like a duck out of water, can't we? We just don't quite know what's coming when we move to new territory. There's that sense of trepidation, that sort of sense of am I. Am I not doing the right thing how is this going to work out for me? So there I was, leaving public relations again, knowing that I had to learn more. But how on earth can I learn more about business? Well, I went off to work for a company in the city, a very well known company, and they had a lady going off on maternity leave and I was the infill for six months. It turned out that they needed me for a lot longer. In fact, they needed me for, it turned out several years and permanently. So it was quite fortuitous really for me that this opportunity again came up. What a coincidence. But I seemed to get on with everybody beautifully. And I was learning about equities, I was learning about how the investment floor worked. And I was also seeing both sides now of companies. I was seeing it from the perspective of the fund manager, for example, who chooses to buy into a company. And I was also seeing it somewhat from the listed company's perspective as well, because I think this is where the cynicism comes in, Avril, with big companies these days and their motivations. So it was a very interesting time. And I worked as a, first of all as a team assistant for European equities. And then I left that business and went to work for a guy on the board of an asset management company. And in the years that I was there, we grew from, I think about 19 people in the team to about 50 odd in the team. And the business was absolutely flourishing. They had hit on something, they'd hit on a problem. They were growing because they'd hit on a pain point that their customers had and they were responding to that pain point with a solution. And this approach is something that I keep in mind when people want to create their marketing, for example, because this pain point was their, you know, it was the source of, you know, a lot of success for that business. But it also was their reputation was just through the roof. I mean, they were doing so well, winning awards, they were growing rapidly as well. So where did you fit into all of this then? Yeah, so I was helping support board members at a key time in the business. They then decided to take the business overseas and expand across several jurisdictions, which is no mean feat. Sounds like you were really busy. I was very busy. I was very, very busy. And, and this is the interesting part because I was so busy that I didn't realize I was actually becoming quite unwell. I really, as you can tell, I love work. I really enjoy working. And I don't think I've had a job I've hated. I've never not wanted to get out of bed on a Monday morning. But when you have that kind of ethic and attitude and passion, you can stop to consider your own wellness and your own well being because you're in service to others in some capacity or other. So for me, the way that this manifested was eventually it was anxiety, severe anxiety and depression. And even though I was doing extremely well, I was performing brilliantly at work and my reviews were great, my pension was topping up and my salary was going up and I was getting fantastic bonuses. What wasn't there to love? Well, Avril, I wasn't loving myself and it wasn't something that I was aware of at the time. It wasn't until I went to the GP and I said, yeah, just I'm doing some yoga, I'm doing my jogging and you know, I'm having a really busy time at work and I'm just not sleeping sleeping at the moment. I'm sure I'll cope and get through, but can I have some sleeping tablets, please? And the doctor looked at me and she said, adele, I think you were in here last year with this. I think we need to have a chat. So we went. They put me through an assessment and much to my astonishment that day, the GP said, if you don't draw a line, I will. And I'll tell you which way things are going to be heading for you and what your choices are. It was a real turning point for me, Avril. And I now know I'm not alone in this experience. Would you like me to share a couple of statistics? Yeah, because I think our listeners might find it interesting because I'm sure that they'll be able to relate to some of what you're saying. Women's radio station can give a voice to your brand. With a wide range of sponsorship opportunities, including individual programs, we can tailor your experience to you. For more information on how you can sponsor a Show, go to womensradiostation.com. Women's radio station. The voice of women's music worldwide. We want you to tell us the women's music from around the world. We should be listening to any genre, from classical to rock on a global scale. To send in your music suggestions, Visit our website, womensradiostation.com. A city law firm. 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Avril I'm really enjoying this conversation because we're looking at it from a real life perspective and I know that I've learned so much from other people when they've shared their story. I hope that my story really helps people just think a little bit more outside the box. Maybe they've got the horse blinkers on a little bit in terms of the perspective on their life. Just to put some numbers into the mix here, the Health and Safety executive on their website they show the labor force survey's results from 20162017 and they are looking at the working days lost over that year in terms of non fatal workplace injuries during that time. 5.5 million working days were lost over that same period for work related ill health. 25.67 million days were lost due to more generalized work related ill health. There's some more detail around this as well. Avril, if I can just share this as well. On average, people take 9.1 days per year for an injury or 23.88 days or stress, depression or anxiety. And I think that we can tell from those statistics where our vulnerabilities are these days with work it's less so the physical injuries, the physical, you know, the accidents and mishaps. It is now really about mental health. And the BBC reported last year in October that 300,000 jobs a year are lost because people feel they can't go on anymore in their roles. That's quite a considerable amount. Yeah. And that's a very scary thing, isn't it? To go through not just the realisation that your mental health isn't what it could be, but also that you need to make a life changing decision around your job. So in terms of money, you know, let's look at the money side quickly. 99, the cost to the UK economy each year is 99 billion pounds. Wow, that's a staggering mental health. That's just for mental health. So, you know, I think because the nature of the working world is changing now, we're becoming very office based, service oriented. Our vulnerabilities, our stress points now, pressure points. Let's say it is to do with mental health, it isn't to do with physical anymore because that's not the type of work we're involved in so much these days. I think it's interesting to hear about those statistics and you know, just. And how broad and across the spectrum and how much people kind of are affected to work commitments. But I suppose that's understandable when we think the majority of our time is spent at work. That's right. But I kind of think that leads nicely into a brief chat. I want to have you about another arm of your business because you're not just a small business coach. Oh no, you do more than that. Because I know that since your experiences with anxiety and working in the corporate world and what you went through as such, you're also very interested in well being and business and the two sitting next to each other harmoniously, as it were, shall we say? Can you tell us a little bit more about that, please? I think we touch on, we touched on earlier just the concept of being in alignment and having a natural flow and finding your rhythm with work. And you know, after what I've been through myself, for me it just seems a shame not to share the approaches that we can take in order to find that alignment and also to really boost Our wellness around work. It's a huge topic and people come across well being issues on various levels. Whether it's their relationships, whether it's their physical health, whether it's their emotional well being. It could be things from the past. You know, there are all sorts of things going on in our lives. We're not just about work. You know, we play sport, we interact out in the community, we have family, we have friends. There's a lot going on in life. So our wellness and our business, if we're not well and happy in our heart and in our mind, how can your business be well? So for me, I've always been interested in alternative therapies. I've used nutrition personally as a way to boost my health and see myself through various health conditions and to great effect. And I've used aromatherapy. I love Reiki, I'm trained in Reiki. I've always been in, had intuitive gifts. So really this big life change for me was an opportunity to bring all of my interests together and really apply them where I feel they can best support people through, you know, quite a radical shift in their life. If we look at these concepts such as starting a business and life change as being a freeing, wonderful experience and I'll never have another problem again in my life, we aren't being realistic. There's always challenge and it's how we move through those challenges in a healthy way. And I've discovered and found my own tools to enable me to obviously recover from anxiety and depression. And the more I spoke about it, the more I realized how many people were struggling with anxiety. It got to the point for me where I daren't go down to the shops and interact with the shopkeeper. I had to mentally Prepare myself for 45 minutes to go and buy a carton of milk. It was basic interactions like that. I was, you know, a woman who studied business, you know, and worked successfully out in the corporate world for nearly 20 years. And I couldn't get down to the corner shop without really boosting my self esteem to get down there. And that's what mental ill health does. So I know it from its extreme, you know, in it, I know it in its extreme form. I also know when low level anxiety is affecting somebody's choices in business and when it becomes a mindset block and these sorts of things, such as mindfulness, such as relaxation, guided meditations. I also produce my own meditations and I have them on my website. All these tools can really get us into the right frame of mind for working. So can sports. So can walks in nature. Really looking after ourselves and having a really wholesome approach. Yeah, I find that quite interesting because you've just reinforced some ideas that I've been having myself recently. And one is that no experience is ever wasted. No. And the other is your business should be nourishing you. It's. It shouldn't have to be a battle. You shouldn't have to be having, you know, visuals of climbing over Everests. Or your business is there to support you with your gifts, your skills and your talents. It should be there to help you make your way through the world and give you an abundant life. So that's really good that you've clarified that. So if you just like to kind of round it all off for us by giving us some top tips for, well, being in business, I think it's really things to look out for. Really start to engage with certain thoughts and start to develop a certain awareness of what gifts you could be concealing even from yourself. And really start to pay attention to what your genuine interests are in life. Really start to pay attention to when you're feeling at your best. Because if you are going to start a business or create a new product, really create it from a place of enjoyment for yourself. Your enquiries into life and your questions about life, they're not fruitless. Pay attention to those. Because if you're asking that question and you're on your life adventure, you can bet your bottom dollar someone else is going to be asking that question too. Share your queries, share your questions, and open up the conversation. You might be hitting on a pain point for a potential customer as well. This is the other way to look at it. Really engage with your passion. What lights your fire every day. Because when we engage with passion, even if you can't find or even conceive how you're going to bring this into being, just start somewhere. There's no need to push, push, push, push. We don't need to hit the override button again and again just to see ourselves through life. We can tap into our natural energy reserves, our actual energy flow, so that we're not running on empty. And the benefits for this are your sustainable rhythm, that's consistent, and that in itself, your authenticity is your brand. And that is your shorthand for communicating with your future clients and customers. Adele, that is really, really interesting. And I'm sure that our listeners will get so much out of that because those are really good pointers because it is a, you know, it's a minefield out there. So very briefly, where can people find you? I am on Facebook. They can look me up on Facebook. I'm on Instagram and I have a website which is www.concept2creation co and my social media handles are Adele concept to creation and you can find me on Instagram and Facebook. Adele Winkley, thank you very much for joining us today. It's been a real, real magical time with you. Avril, thank you so much. It's been a real pleasure. Thanks for having me. Thank you.