Open Discussion – Pets, Angry Women, Sport

Hello and welcome to open discussion with the three J's on women's radio station. That's me, Julia and Judith and Joy. And our main topic today is going to be pets. Pets. Isn't that a riveting topic to talk about? Dresses for pets. Dresses for pets. Oh, that's maybe more interesting. But I don't have any pets, Judy. Well, I heard that you keep cats on your bulk. They're my cats. They're not my cats, they're a neighbour's cats and they all love coming onto my patio to be fed. So every cat in the area is now seeing Julia as a soft touch. Yeah, there's three white cats, a black cat, a huge tabby, fluffy cat that's just joined the group. Word's getting around. Words got around. No, but I think that's wonderful, though. You have all the pleasure without the responsibility and the vets bills. Well, you know, I'm not so sure if that is actually any better because these cats are not actually very well looked after by the people that own them. And I'm noticing, like, sores on their eyes, furs. Doesn't look very good. I keep thinking maybe they've all got cat viruses. I would actually like to take them to the vet and all get given their injections, but I don't want to pay for it. So. No, there are charities that can take it. Certainly Celia Hammond, who is a model, I can encourage her. I can see her with four cats. No, I really couldn't manage it. I'd be like that lady that I saw at the Waterloo station wearing that, you know, wheeling that cat buggy with four cats in it. But if you are concerned about the health of them, there are places that you can take them that will treat them for free. No, I'm not going. I tried to get the black cat into a cat basket because I was worried about its eye and it fought the whole time and I ended up with no. I just felt so guilty. It was traumatized, actually. But what I might do, I might actually book a vet to come round to me. Oh, that'll be expensive. That's very expensive, I'll warn you. Probably no more than going to a vet. No, it's a lot more, actually, because I very sadly, in December, I had to have my cat put to sleep and because he'd never liked going to the vets, I didn't want to put him through the trauma of taking him to the vets and having it done there. And I got the vet to come to the house and they charged £150 call out fee, just frame checks and the whole thing cost me nearly £400 to have my cat put to sleep and cremated. But that was not through the call the vet that called round, that would have happened anyway, wouldn't it? It was through the regular vet, but I say they have a standard call out fee. I thought it was about £30 call out fee. Well, you're very lucky if you can find one because obviously I was. Maybe I go to very expensive vets. But the thing is, you see, if I. The problem with that is, of course I don't know when the cats are going to be there because they come and go as they please. One of the white ones does like staying over sometimes, but I try not to encourage him because he wakes me up about 2 o' clock in the morning wanting something to eat and then he calls me again about four. I think he's got worms or something. So I own a cat. I try not to encourage that. I own a cat and I don't allow her to get away with getting food in the middle of the night. It's, it's. I suppose it's because I'm not their owner. Joyce having hysterics there? No, I know, I'm terrible. They must think, oh, here she comes. Yeah, I am a soft touch. It's just. And whenever I put my foot down and they. What's happened at the moment is that they're not eating the food I'm putting down. They're getting very, very fussy. Is that normal? Only if you allow them to get fussy, yeah. If they're being fussy, then they're not hungry, they're eating at home. Yeah. So you're probably wasting your time. So having. I'm just. Well, this cat, you know, there's little white cat, he never puts on weight, which is why I think he's got worms because I feed him loads of times, you know, you can tell he's got worms because their tummies are very swollen. Oh, I don't know. I've never felt his tummy. I heard some people on the way here talking about a dog that they were going to get and I just thought it was hilarious. The reasons that they were choosing the various dogs that they were going to have and this woman, the woman said, I'm going to get a bulldog because they can't run very fast. So I won't have to, I won't have to. It won't go charging off and I won't lose it. I'LL easily be able to catch up with it. I just thought it was hilarious that you choose a dog for what it can't do. Yeah, well, I wonder if that's true. Actually, I thought all dogs could run fast. Well, they'd be five legged, aren't they bulldogs? I can't imagine that they do. They can run very fast. Not like a sort of a hunting dog, a lurch or something like that. But the pet that's becoming very, very popular now is chickens. Loads of people are having chickens in their gard. And I read this article the other day of this woman whose daughter wanted this chicken as a pet and she kept bringing the wretched thing indoors. And of course you can't really house train a chicken and they flutter up onto things and this thing was kind of pooping all over the place. So she decided enough's enough. She couldn't bear the daughter crying if this thing couldn't come in the house. So she designed a nappy for a chicken and she put it, she put it, she put it online and she just sold out immediately. You know, she was so popular because so many people are now having chickens as pets and they want to bring them indoors. And then she decided that she, you know, that was so popular, she decided she'd branch out and start making clothes for it. So it's not only poor dogs and cats that get dresses and things put on them now. I think that's they're doing chicken wear. Well, I just hope these clothes that she designs gives them room to get their wings through so that they're not kind of permanently with their wings by their side. Yeah, it does sound cruel. I just thought it was insane to dress up a chicken. They put hoods on hunting birds. That's a bit different, isn't it? And it's only while they're, you know, if they're out with them and they're going to do the hunting, they're covered up until it's time for the bird to sort of go up. Do people keep chickens for the eggs as well? They make very good pets, evidently. Well, I would keep them for the eggs because I think fresh eggs must be lovely. Well, yes, they're nice pet and eggs. Except I have foxes in my garden. Yeah, you have to have a proper space for them that's protected because I just got involved with this community garden near me and I've maybe stupidly, I'm not sure yet, volunteered to be one of the people that looks after these rescue chickens. So they're 18 month old oh goodness. I've just been shown a photograph of a chick. Not even a proper chicken. It looks really cute but no, no, it's not normal. It's not normal. That horrible scarf. I think, you know, I think there's something wrong with, there's something actually missing when women, maybe men as well, try to make a pet like a baby and they treat it, they look upon a little bit if it's a child's pet. Children always love dressing everything up, don't they? Remember my sister, she told me that when she was little she had a cat and she used to put her doll's bonnet on its head and put the things, you know, and she used to put it into her doll's pram and wheel it round. I think some, some pets are more placid than others and I think you can't get a garment on a cat if it doesn't want to. They, I think they're all capable of protein. Well, it must have been quite happy to sit and be wheeled around in this push chair because it could have just stepped now, couldn't it, if it wanted to. But, well, you see old ladies pushing their little, you know, dogs around, don't you? Yes, I see that quite, quite frequently. It seems that you see people pushing their dogs around or if it's a little dog, they'll have it inside their shoulder bag with the head. Oh, the celebrities started that one, didn't they? Or in their, you know, bicycle basket. Yeah, but apparently little dogs can't walk very far. They've only got short legs. Yeah. So they need to be carried part of the way. Makes you think of people, you know, you sort of see 6 foot people walking along holding the hand of the little kind of 18 month old or something and there's these little tiny legs and the adult doesn't seem to realize that the little legs can't walk quite as fast as they can and they think they're just walking at a normal pace and this child's virtually leaving the ground because they just can't walk fast enough to keep up with the adult. But anyway, anyway, I'm looking after these chicks and it looks as though I'm going to be the one that has to go and collect them this weekend as well. So we've got to go all the way down to Tunbridge Wells, the new ones. Yes. But I think it's a good thing because it's like they, they come and you, you take them and they're probably in a pretty bad shape because they've just Been shut in, caged and they're just been eggs to the farmer. What do you have to do when you get retirement? Well, basically just sort of give them lots of TLC and don't give them too much kind of shock. You have to be very careful. You can't drop them because some of them, their legs are very, you know, you can't just sort of plump them down. You've got to so place them gently on the ground so they'll be in a chicken coop for some time. Well, they've been caged. So it's when their kind of egg laying days are over. Instead of the farmer killing them, he's giving them to people who take them and give them a retirement, you know, and they do carry on laying eggs because chickens can live for 10 years. But you know, they're so badly kind of unhappy. You're going to be upset though, aren't you? No, because the last lot that they had looked really sad and within a couple of weeks they'd got all their feathers back and they were rushing around and they were great. And you give them like a grain. Grains to eat. Is that. And do you get eggs from them? Yeah, well, the ones they had before, I used to buy the eggs when they were. But I wasn't involved with that. It's all very new to me. I'm just learning now. Well, I shall so watch this space. I shall look forward to receiving some of the eggs then. Well, I think we are going to have a short break. I don't know what we're going to be talking about when we get back. Pets. Pets. More pets maybe. Yes. All right, see you soon. Bye. WRS women's radio station. Voice of women Worldwide. Sarah's universal soul show. What does your soul or spirituality mean to you? Welcome to future classical woman awards with me, Stefania Pasamonte on women's radio station. Welcome back. I'm Russ Cain. You're listening to in conversation with on women's radio station. I'm Angie. And I'm Patsy. And we're open. To see what other programs we have on women's radio station head to our website womensradiostation.com I'm Isabelle Manavy, an executive coach. Do you want to change a negative into a positive? 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Apart from the fact that we all thought that pets were very good for people who are lonely, they're good at visiting in hospitals and old people's homes and helping people with ptsd. I've seen a dog in the theater with somebody who had PTSD and I was actually like, I was quite touched actually, because he, the dog sort of seemed to give him. I don't know, it seemed to calm him and it was a companion and you know, he could. The dog seemed to sense when he was getting agitated and if he was, the dog would take him out. Yeah, there is, yeah, there is plenty of proof that animals will calm people's heart rate down and if their pets are taken into old people's homes, it really kind of brightens people up. So there is every kind of scientific proof that having animals in our lives is good for us because they try to encourage People that have had heart attacks to have a dog, don't they? Because just the very act of stroking the dog evidently just lowers the heart rate. And horses are good as well for some. Is it some children on the autism spectrum that respond very, very well with horses? Or it might be the ADHD children, you know, very active children, just even helping out stables, whether you ride them or not. You know, it's good, I think, but it's something about the contact with the horse. It just evidently. Yeah. My sister, who has learning disabilities, goes horse riding. It's one of her main things that she enjoys doing. So I think. And there are a lot of riding schools, stables around the art, for people with disabilities, because there seems to be some sort of communication between the animal and the person. I don't really know what it is, but it's definitely. Yeah, it's quite amazing, really. And there are all those dogs are trained to help different people with very wide varying tasks and disabilities these days. Were the sort of people that were visually impaired. Yeah, that was the first famous. Then the hearing dogs for the deaf. Yeah. And now. Well, then you've got the dogs, of course, that look. Look for drugs. Yeah, yeah, sort of dogs. Yes, well, obviously, yes. The other thing is that the police do use animals as well, don't they, for crowd control and searching people, so. And they get medals as well, don't they, if they've gone into war zones and become brave. I mean, it's quite touching when I think that dog got blown up, didn't it? I mean, it didn't die, but it got injuries. Oh, poor thing. It got. Had to have operations and it got one of the awards, didn't it? Animal awards. I mean, I don't know if you've seen War Horse, but that is a very moving production. It's fantastic. It's an amazing story. And of course, there's animals in sport, aren't there, famously horse racing, dog racing. Well, dog racing's died down a bit, hasn't it? They've lost all the tracks. I know, it's a shame. I used to really like going to the Dollhouse. Yeah. I used to go to the Catford Stadium and it was such a fun night out because it's so unpretentious compared to horse racing. And you could just have like a little pound bets on each race and things. It was really good fun. Are there any, you know, dog racing stadiums around now? I don't know. I don't know if they've all gone. I only ever went once and that was over. I think it was Earlsfield, Wandsworth Way. And I thought it was absolutely incredible. I was just amazed at just how fast those dogs run. Yeah. After a silly fake hair as well. That doesn't even look like hair. I've just been told that Sunderland racetrack is still going all right. But I think there's a few more. But they're probably in the north. They're probably up north. Yes. Because am I being. We're famous for having whippets from that up north. Yes. As opposed to down south when they have the. The posh racing. You mean horse racing, which actually I don't agree with. I don't like. Horse racing's big in the north of England as well. Well, you've got liver, you got the. What was the Liverpool one? Aintree. And there's Doncaster and York. They're all over. They're more prevalent in the north. Maybe so. But I have been to horse racing once and I did quite enjoy it, but not as I didn't think it was as fun as the dogs. Because you didn't think there's any chance of the dogs getting injured, really. Whereas with the horses. Oh, is it on the flat? It wasn't a jump race. Not the. Is it dressage, it's called, when they jump over, there's hurdles. Dressage is when their horse performs like a. Like a dance. Yes. That's the kind of show side of it. But I can't watch the Grand National. I have to admit that upsets me because in the past, horses have died and fallen. Did one die this year? Yeah. Even though they're supposed to have made it safer and everything. So I won't watch that. I must admit, I went to Ascot once, Many, many years ago. Ladies Day. What was your hat like, Julia? Well, I don't know. It was a very curious situation because Princess Diana was there. This is going back some years. She just got engaged. And it's funny, I happened to get sort of drawn into the royal party procession. Oh. So I found myself walking behind Princess Diana and I was swigging a glass of Guinness at the time. And the Queen came over, champagne, and I had to hide it. So I felt, oh, my God, Her Majesty's just coming over. And I just couldn't take my eyes off the Queen. Because she's so tiny. Yes. Yeah. She's about 5 2, isn't she? She is tiny. And also her face is like so white, you know, very flawless complexion, but white. It's quite surreal, actually. Did she smile at all? No, she Was very, very focused on the horses, of course. Yeah. Because she tends not to smile. But she's very into horse racing, isn't it? That's one of the sort of. She's got horses, hasn't she? Yeah. Where she kind of lets her hair down and has a smile. Enjoys herself, it seems. So I was in. I was. History was being made that day because the Queen was there and Princess Diana and she was terribly tall. And I remember thinking, my goodness, she must be about 6 foot and very, very, very skinny. But that was. That was my. Yeah, that's your 15 minutes. And of course, they walk around the enclosure, not. Not the royal family, the horses. I mean, I like that bit. When I went to the races, looking at them beaten, sort of walked around the enclosure in advance, which people are just looking to see which one to bet on, whatever. But I thought that's when they looked really beautiful. They are amazing animals, horses. They're so elegant. And I think they do enjoy it. I think they do like racing, but I just don't like the jumps, I don't like the jumping. I've not really had much to do with horses either going racing or riding them. But there is one occasion that I remember, and my friend used to look after horses and I was visiting, they live in the Cotswolds, up hills and downhills, and she said, oh, go out and you can have a go if you like. I said, oh, great, yeah, that'd be really good. She said, I'll give you the sort of the most steady one, the most stable one. So she said, you won't get knocked off. Anyway, she showed me how to do it with, you know, sort of contracting the muscles and holding the knees and doing the. Saying the right things. And we must have been going for about half, but it felt like an hour to me with all this kind of using muscles I didn't know I had in my legs. And the next day, because I was there for a couple of days, I got up, I could not walk, I could not stand because my legs were so sore. And she just laughed at me. She said, yes, she said, it is quite difficult your first day in the saddle, but, oh, dear, agony. Could barely walk. Yeah, I've found that the first time it gets better. I used to go horse riding where I lived in New Mexico, and I used to go out into the desert and. And it was totally beautiful and silent and quiet. But I always liked to have the kind of lazy horse, the one that wasn't going to give me any trouble. Well, this One that she gave me was huge, which meant I had to work my muscles even more than if it had been a smaller horse. And she just thought it was hilarious. She just giggled when she saw me come downstairs in the morning. Bit sore, are we? Well, I used to go to lessons at the Knightsbridge Barracks because they used to loan out their barracks for the Civil Service Riding Club, which I belonged to, even though I wasn't in the civil service, I hasten to add. But I had a friend whose father ran it, so I went to their lessons and I was. They used to do relay races with horses in the barracks. And at the end of the. Each, like, run of, you know, the relay, there was a. There was like, drink alcohol for the horse, not in the bucket, so the horses would drink. Haven't been drunk by the end of the relay race. But, I mean, I wasn't a natural rider, unfortunately. I do love horses, but they don't like me very much. I think I'm too nervous. I know, but they're supposed to make nervous people come. I know, but they didn't like me. They were trying to throw. I always ended up being thrown. Thrown. Oh, gosh. Falling off or. Yeah. Does that hurt? Yes, it did hurt, yeah. And I got nervous. Pretty high perch to fall from, isn't it? But now I think. I don't know if. If I could even get on a horse. No, I wouldn't be able to leap on a horse from the ground. I'd have to walk up those steps. Well, yes. I don't think I left on this horse from the ground. I used to be able to just put my foot in the saddle and just not saddle the stirrup and just go over. All right. But now I think so. I'm a bit nervous. I know I have good friends who are very keen horse people, and they've probably all had a bad accident at some point. A nasty experience with coming off a horse, even one they've known quite well. And so I've never been that kind of horsey that I could do. Do that or take risk with it. But I do like them. I think it's that just thing of going through a landscape on the horse is really pleasant. You're at a nice height. Yeah. Well, you describing going into the desert, I mean, what a brilliant way to go, rather than going in a car or, you know, and walking, you know, in a desert's a bit scary. You don't get very far, do you? Must be really. I mean, I'd hate to go down a hill On a horse it must be terrifying. Or uphill. Well, don't they know how to do it? Well, yeah, but you're on the back, aren't you? You might slide off. Well, no, I don't think you could tumble over. Well, don't you have your feet in the stirrups? Well, unless you're bareback riding. It's just that fear, isn't it? Of like. That was the thing. I've just remembered. That was the thing that when I sat on top of this horse, I suddenly realized how far away the main was because I always had this idea that you could leave it in crap holes in the main. But it was miles. I was a big horse. Oh, he was. He was a huge. No, it's funny about the horses skidding down a hill. I recently was reading a biography of the Brontes and about life in Haworth where they lived and the poor old horses in the winter used to actually sort of slide down the hill because a very steep hill on the ice and it sounded very precarious. Well, we won't have that problem. And now it's time for a break. Bye. WRS Women's Radio Station Voice of Women Worldwide this is Amy Liu, Voice of China at Women's Radio Station. Welcome to future Classical Women Awards with me, Stefania Passamonte on Women's Radio Station. After a long day I like to sit in my bath with a glass of wine and listen to women's Radio. 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We're currently welcoming donations to help towards our running costs to keep this important initiative alive. To donate, simply head to our website. Every little will help. Hello and welcome back to open discussion with the three J's, Julia, Judith and Joy. And now we're going to segue because we've all agreed we like the word. We're going to segue into aspects of joining together because that's what sogwe means. Segue means pets, horses, sport. Sport's a dirty word in my eyes or my ears. Why would that be? Because I don't like it very much. Because I was always the one that was left when they had to choose somebody to play hockey. They didn't choose you for their team. I was always the one that was left at the end because I was hopeless. Yeah, I, I do empathize with you there, Jude, because I was left handed and dyspraxic and I could never throw a ball or do anything. I was always the one that was left out too. Yeah, I, I do like exercise and keep fit and dance and things, but I've never liked competitive sport. It's not me. How about you, Joy? No three duffers, I'm afraid. Now the school that I went to sort of, we, it was hockey and I hated those hockey sticks. So I used to sort of get a place and stand as far away as I could from the goal or anywhere that there might be any action. I was always loitering along the side somewhere. My shins avoided the hockey stick. And in the summer it was tennis and there were a couple of girls that were really, really good at it. They ended up going and being ball boys at Wimbledon, you know, and all of this Kudos stuff. And basically the sports teacher wasn't interested in anybody else. It was just these people that were good, naturally that got concentrated on and we were just sort of left to kind of bat the ball over the. Over the net as best we could. It's like anything in schools, though, isn't it? Schools want to have the pupils that excel at things. That brings some kind of kudos to the school. The bands and the medals. Yeah. And they ignore the rest. I remember having to vault. Talking of horses. Having to vault, run. Yeah. Jump on this, like, thing that spring and then onto the horse. Yeah. And it was terrifying. I mean, and then another time I had to like jump from a diving board into freezing cold water. 10ft high. 10ft is not that high, but it is when you're 12 years old. Actually, I like swimming. I've always enjoyed swimming and being in the water, that was fine. And I didn't mind gymnastics as much, but I did agree with Joy about the hockey. I mean, girls with hockey sticks are vicious and you just end up with your shoes, shins all. Yeah. And I can remember playing it in the ice and the snow and things. Oh, it's terrible. I remember being stuck in the far flung field where everyone else was playing hockey and I was about. Felt like I was about three miles away, just watching and being bored. And then suddenly the ball would come towards me and I'd have to like, go, oh, what do I do with it now? This. Hit it, miss it. I was very happy to be as far away from the ball and the action as possible. But swimming was a real trauma for me because it was the days when the swimming teacher didn't get into the water. She just sort of walked alongside barking at us, do this, do that. And I inadvertently swam out of my depth. And I can still remember going up and down, up and down. My mouth getting full of water because I couldn't. I was panicking because I couldn't touch the floor anymore. And this teacher, she thought it was hilarious. She was laughing away and she said, oh, that's it. Keep going, keep going. I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die. This was the days before health and safety went mad, isn't it, Joy? Yeah, yeah. She didn't even have one of those long hoop things that they used to have to put out into the middle for you to catch onto. I don't know. I don't know how I did it. I think it's just sort of survival instinct. I just kept sort of splashing, you know, sort of Doggy paddle, probably all over the place. But she was hilarious because she used to stand on the side of the pool and she had a skirt on it. There was no tracksuits in those days. And she. We used to call them flower bags. You could see her long silk knickers that came just above her knee. Oh, no. So I was drowning and this would have been my last vision if I hadn't managed to sort of find the bottom of the baths again. Oh, God, I'd rather forget that again. I'd sort of. Yeah, but I think it's experiences like that that can affect your ability to enjoy sport. I mean, I don't mind swimming in the sea, but I don't like swimming actually that much. I went for a swim in the Serpentine this summer for the first time and that was a really lovely experience. Such. I'd really recommend that. Isn't it rather dirty water, though? It didn't feel like it was dirty at all. And they do test it to make sure it hasn't got bacteria in. But I was just swimming along and then this whole family of geese, the mother and the baby, just kind of sailed past me at eye level. It's really lovely. Oh, wow. Because I think people were swimming in the Serpentine. They were sort of encouraging people, weren't they? There's a club there. Swimming. It's an early morning swing. Swing swimming. People who swimming. All people. At the Serpentine? Yes. People swim there every day of the year. Yeah, yeah. Even they'll break the ice to get in. And I've got a friend who does cold water swimming at Tooting Beck Baths every morning. Oh, what, the Lido? Yeah, I used to go swimming there. She wears a bikini even in the, you know, coldest bit of winter. Well, I suppose it doesn't really make much difference. It's that cold. You can wear a wetsuit in the Serpentine during the cold weather. It's cheating, though, isn't it? Not really, no. You don't want to die of hypothermia, do you? Because, well, it can be really quite dangerous if it's too cold. Yeah, but you get used to it. If you do it regularly, your body builds up a sort of tolerance. Oh, so you go swimming every winter? No, no, I don't at all. I mean, I go into the sea in quite cold, you know, I'm quite hardy in the sea, but I'm not sure if I'd go in a pool because I think pools are colder. I remember going swimming in February and I nearly thought I was going to have a heart attack because it was so cold I could barely kind of catch my breath. And then, you know, after about 30 seconds you sort of get used to it. And I just remember coming out and it felt like it was a sort of really warm spring day for about five minutes. Yeah. Then the winter cold sort of hit again. It's like getting into a plunge pool at a Turkish bath. That sort of effect. You get really hot in the steam room and then you just jump into this ice cold water and get out and it feels just so invigorated. Well, that's if you don't have a heart attack shock. I'm not sure if I'd do that myself anyway. Judy, do you like sport? I mean, are you a sporty person? No, I'm not at all. You don't look at football then? No, not if I don't have to. I let my husband watch it in another room. I mean, when the World cup was on, did you not look at any of the matches? I did actually and I'm not even a football fan but I actually did enjoy some of the matches. I think actually with any sport, when it's done at a very high level like that, it does start to take on a certain quality which is exceptional and something sometimes I can appreciate that. I did watch very little of the World Cup, I have to say. I did. I like those kind of penalty shootouts at the end better. I think it's. I think they're exciting. Whereas the other thing's boring when they're just going up and down with the ball and occasionally they score. But the penalty shootouts, it's all action. It's just so awful for the person that misses, isn't it? I know, but that's part of it. Scores them for the rest the of of their lives. But yeah, there's great emotion in it, isn't there? Yes. I can't say that I'm a sports fan. On tv I find it a bit tedious when there's either the tennis on or there's the football on or there's the rugby on and you know, it feels as though the whole of BBC1 and 2 are completely taken over. If they're not showing it on BBC1, they then swap it over and they show it on BBC. BBC too. And it's as though there's nothing else to watch. No. That's quite interesting actually that you have that perception because for sports fans now they feel that they've got to pay to watch the sport that They've got to have a Sky subscription or BT Sports or something. So for sports lovers, they feel they don't get the sport on TV anymore. Well, maybe in things like the World cup, there are so many matches and if you've got the subscriptions, you can see all of them because, I mean, they couldn't possibly put all of them on the television. They seem to fill the schedules up pretty, I think, with the World cup that has to go out on free tv and I think they do show them all. Well, it felt as though the TV was just football while that was going. Oh, yes, absolutely. Although we do have so many channels now, don't we, with all the Freeview channels? I think so. Fed up with some of those. You know, the adverts just go on and on, don't they? You get. You get sort of a half hour program that takes you an hour to watch it because of the adverts. So what's on at the moment, sports wise? It's. There's nothing, is there? But there's football. Well, it's a year open now, isn't it? Yeah, it's the tennis. It's tennis. Oh, tennis. That's the Serena. Yes. I just have no interest. Yeah. Now the only reason why I know about Serena is that, you know, she. She had that tantrum, didn't she, last week, supposedly. A tantrum? Yeah. Just because she was outspoken. Yeah. And I think there is. So I'm using the wrong word, actually. She didn't have a tantrum. She was fighting her corner. Yes, she was. But John McEnroe used to have endless tantrums, didn't he, when he was playing? She was always very disrespectful as well. I think there is. You've got to be joking. You know, you really. Are you sure? Yeah. Oh, he was really boring to listen to. And I think that. I think they have come down hard on her because she is a woman. And I don't think that's just in sport that that happens. I think there is a case. Angry women, men feel threatened by them or they're not accepted in the workplace to express themselves the same way as men do. And I think that language is different, isn't it? 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But. And that Australian cartoon. Yes. And somebody has. Mark Knight has done a very unpleasant cartoon of her, which is. People are saying it's racist, and I think it looks racist as well, but it's kind of saying that, oh, she's a big, ugly woman because she's been angry, which is just not the case because she's an absolutely stunning woman and she's so kind of fit and athletic looking in a way that I never could be. And I really admire her, even though I'm not really into tennis or anything. And I love the clothes she wears. And she's been criticized for her clothes. She's had a lot of stick recently. And it is. The men don't like powerful women. And I think particularly black powerful women, I think get criticized a lot, even more than white women. And as a woman, we're still supposed to be all sweet and nice and quiet and simpering. And men get very upset when women get angry with them. It disturbs them. But really, they've got to get over it because we're in the workplace, we're doing the same jobs as them. We get. We get angry and fed up the same way they do, and they're allowed to let off steam and they're just being, you know, one of the boys, and that's fine. But I've often worked in offices where a woman has been angry and lost her temper, and it's certainly not forgiven or forgotten about in the same way it is with a male colleague. Yes. When a man kind of loses his rag and sort of is forceful, he's almost admired for it, isn't he? And, you know, that shows spirit and he, you know, shows that he's strong. Whereas a woman has the same kind of emotional response. She's just seen as hysterical and, you know, jumping out of her pram and all of those, you know, sort of negative connotations are associated with it. And it's, as you say, it's not just in sport, it's in the office culture. It's. It's all. All around us, really. So it's. It's. I've never actually. I think I must have worked in quite nice offices because I've never actually witnessed somebody losing their rag. There have been, like, tensions. I mean, there has been bullying. I'm not saying that it's been perfect. There has been quite subtle bullying in some of the jobs I'VE had. But most of the time I've been quite lucky. I once worked for a boss who was a very, very successful agent. He was actually very nice, but he did get very irate sometimes and throw things around the office. Not at me, but he just used to, like, lose it and just throw. Can you imagine if a woman had done that? Yeah, but his. It was his business, it was his office, so I guess he could do it. But. Yeah, but I mean, imagine if it was a woman's business and he did that. What would they say about that woman? There'd be all sorts of negative words attached to that. Absolutely. And actually, I don't think you can behave badly, even if it's your business, really. Not without an apology of saying, oh, I'm really sorry. I got stressed, I lost it. So I think people should behave. And if you do lose your temper, it's a human thing to do when people are in a stressful situation. But if you kind of apologize to people after and say, I don't mean it like men do, and get away with it. But I think resentments are held against. Women do that. But it's interesting. What I started to think of was Shakespeare and the Taming of the Shrew, which is all about a woman being tamed because she gets angry and she talks to her. Won't toe the line. Yeah. Won't agree. Just so. It's very much ingrained into our culture and history, isn't it? But I'm just wondering if Shakespeare was sort of using it as a sort of counter to what he really felt about that. He was. I don't think he was actually saying that women should be quiet. And he was just having. He was giving a woman a voice. Yeah, well, he was sort of saying, this is what. It's what you are expected to be like women. But, hey, you know, you don't have to be. And although she, in the play, she does sort of go along with it. One wonders whether she's just pretending or playing the game at some level. No, it is a comedy, isn't it? But it just shows how there is that tradition. It's also the fact of what Women being accused of being witches. If you were a strong woman who spoke up for yourself, you could easily find yourself being drowned as a witch or something. But I think Shakespeare, actually, I think he did like women because of the parts he wrote for them. I know that they're outnumbered by the men parts, but he wrote some really powerful women. So. Yeah. Anyway, we're diverting a Bit, aren't we? No, not at all. We're allowed to. I'm glad that you've never had. Worked in a situation where people have lost their temper. I wonder if you've experienced it in your acting area of your life, because that's kind of usually a bit more emotional, whether in doing some of the plays, if you've had a bit of a difficult. Well, I did. I did have. Last week. I had a bit of a problem when I was auditioning people for my play. There was one. I won't name names, but it's nobody famous. But, I mean, I've had a problem. This is an interesting problem, actually, this one part in this play, a Chekhov play, I won't even say the play, but the part is actually a very good part. But it's a male part. And the male part is. He's got to be very. He's slightly overlooked by all the characters. He's a failure. He helps with his mother and his sisters. He's got no money and he whines a bit. So it's quite. He's not a typical male. He's not an alpha male. No, he's a. He's a. What's the word? Delta male. Alpha. Beta. Beta. Yeah. But he's certainly not alpha. And none of the men who didn't get the lead, none of them wanted to try for this other part. And I said, well, actually, this part is. Think of it as like a Woody Allen. You know, he's the one that's overlooked. It could be. It's an actual gem of a role, but none of them wanted to play it. I still haven't got the actor for it. That's. That's ridiculous. That's real. And it's a really good part as well. And they said, well, it's not on. Yeah, it's not. No, he's not on that much. I said, yes, he's actually on most scenes. It just. He doesn't say anything. He's on. But he. He's observing and he's has a few. You know, he has some quite good scenes. He opens the play, for heaven's sake. I mean, that's. That's good. But I mean, it's just. I do find the whole thing very surprising that no man wants to play that type of man. Well, no actor. So I just. I am. Hopefully I'll find someone, because we. We've got to get somebody cast in it, so. But does that say something about men? Or those particular men say. Yeah, or the people I'VE had. I've asked quite a few men now. Yeah. Because there's, you know, there's lots of character actors, aren't there? That's the phrase they use for people that will never be the leading role. They'll not be the leading person. But. But they're always the better parts. Yes. And they're very pertinent to the stories, you know, and they're really important to everything working and how the, you know, the plans and the plots. So I was quite disappointed. I think I'm a disappointed director at this moment in time. I think they just. They must be desperate to want to act. Performers want to act and want to play and be the good play. And the actor seems wanted to join this company to be the star. I think that's what it is, not be part of a nice company that does all plays roles. Often the people who do roles like that, that get discovered. Yeah. Well, good luck. Yes, thank you. I shall let you know how I get on. No, I was asking you if you'd seen people lose their temper. Well, that's. So Sorry, I didn't. Yeah, well, one of them flounced off. Oh. During the audition. I'm not doing that. And I was actually quite shocked. I went, what? All I did was ask you if he would consider that part. And he got very. Yeah. So he'd rather do nothing than some people. That's how they feel about things, isn't it? They'd rather sort of cut off their nose, despite their faces. I don't understand that with that because as you say, quite often doing a small part like that or doing a part that's not macho, if you act it really, really well, you could steal the scene. You could steal the scene, but, you know, somebody could also see you. And so, you know, that's somebody that's worth going for. Talking about people that steal the scene and people that are, you know, in the main roles, the alpha male roles. Has anybody been watching Bodyguard? Oh, yes. Because I was reading this article today and it said they definitely want to have a second series, but they might not be able to use the guy that's doing Bud now because he might be just too unavailable because he's so popular now that he just might be too popular to sort of be in their series. He's another one that they're talking about for the next James Bond, isn't it? That's the reason there's so much speculation about who's going to do it. But he would be good, I think. But yeah, I really like that series. Yes, I've been watching it. I'm really sad. Like they've killed off the female lead so early on in the series too, haven't they? Which is unusual or is she? Well, it says on the front, it says on the front of next week's Radio Times that she's dead. Oh, because they ride through the poster there, they bring people back to life, don't they? It doesn't look like it. In fact there are quite a few good series on. Yeah, they always this sort of feast of famine, isn't it? You know, all summer we've had all this sport, sport, sport, sport from, you know, sort of from end to end and now there's loads of different drama things that I want to watch. Can't watch them all. But that's always, it always tends to be that way in the summer. They don't put much on and then now we're getting to the autumn series. I think you all want to sit indoors. Yeah. Because I watched Strangers last night. Stranger. Oh no, that was really good. I think that's going to be really engaging and they've given that a huge build up along with several others. Yes. Well, I think we're going to have to leave it there. Another, another program is over. 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