Open Discussion – What Is Beauty

Hello and welcome to open discussion with the three Js. That's Julia, Judith and Joy on the women's radio station. And today we're going to be talking about. Well, last week we talked about plastic. And this week we're going to talk about plastic surgery, which I've never, ever had, actually. Have you, Judy? No, I definitely have not had any plastic surgery. But should I be flattered that you're even asking me that question? Do I look like someone who's had it? Because if you had had it, would I be going. And Judy, how. Tell me. Be honest now. You have had it, haven't you? You just said well. Or you'd have said no. Would you have not admitted it then? I think as you're a friend of mine, I may have told you in private, but to. Actually, no, I haven't. And I wouldn't even consider having it done. Because when I've seen it done on people that I know, I think they've lost something. Rather than gain something. They've lost something about the uniqueness of their face or their expressions and their expressions. And. And sometimes they. They've done it to look younger, but they don't actually look as pretty as they did before it because it's pulled all the skin and the face. But I mean, what are we talking about here? I mean. I mean, I know people who've had nose surgery done and the noses have improved. Oh, yeah. They've been done very tastefully. Not too drastically like other people I could mention, but won't mention. No, I think if somebody's had a broken nose or has something that particularly needs fixing, I think that's a totally different thing than very beautiful women who are successful models and actresses trying to enhance their beauty. And I think they often just ruin it. Cause they lose that kind of natural look about their face. What do you think about those people? There's one girl that she's sort of emulating. The Cindy doll. Oh, yes. And she's just, you know, she's had ribs taken out and she's kind of had all sorts of things done to her eyes. And the. Obviously the implants, the boob implants. And she. She literally, when she puts her makeup on, she looks like that Cindy doll. It's. It's just what worries me is how old is she? Well, now she's in her 30s, but she's been. How's she gonna look when she's 60? Well, I don't know. She'll be like that. Like a aged Cindy doll. The. Well, who was that woman that, the American woman that had loads and loads of surgery done and she always used to brag about it and she, she, I mean she was as stiff as a board. You know, she had no sort of expressions but she looked, she looked amazing in a still photograph. Well, there have been so many different. I mean there was that woman that had so much surgery done on her face. She actually like a cat. Oh my goodness. She had weird eyes, very, very sharp cheekbones, a little chin. I mean it was totally distorted and bizarre. I think they can look good on a photograph because they can use Photoshop. So why not just have a photograph taken yourself and have it photoshopped and then you don't need to go through the plastic surgery. I think people just don't want to accept the way they are, do they? They just want something else. I mean there was one woman that was having her body changed so that she would have say like the bottom of Marilyn Monroe and the bust of somebody else and you know, sort of the eyes of another person and she was choosing all what she thought was the most beautiful part of all these sort of movie sirens. And when you put them all together they didn't look good. No, no, because it beautiful eyes, you don't necessarily want this sort of a prominent mouth as well. Yeah. I think there are kind of psychological issues with people having a lot of plastic surgery. They have some problem inside themselves where they don't feel good and they think if they have massive boobs with implants that they're suddenly going to feel great about themselves and they find out they don't so they have something else to it and it's very painful quite often. Yeah, it's horrible and painful to have plastic surgery and very dangerous for some people have died, haven't they? Oh yeah, I'm sure operations and things that go wrong. You know the surgeons that are not really proper surgeons do horrible carve up jobs that they need lots of operations to put them back. There's a whole TV series about oh, is there sick surgeons mistakes? Yes. And it is pretty. I bet that's pretty horrendous. Yes, it is. But I just think the whole idea of having surgery for something when you don't need it is, is mad because general anesthetics are really bad for you. They shorten your life. Why have it? And also, I mean I saw a program, hospital program on maxillo facial surgery for people that have had cancers of the face. All right. Or what reconstruction work and it's absolutely amazing what they can do. And in that respect, you know, it's slightly shaming when people go to spend a lot of money on thinking what they think is a standard of beauty or not. And then there's other people who, well, they're just surviving on this. They say external damage they've got to sort of cope with every day. You know, when they go out, they've got to sort of people who've had these acid attacks that have been happening recently. What they've got to live with is horrific. And I could understand them having facial surgery and there was a lot done with veterans after the first World War with facial surgery. So it does have its real good points. But now I think I don't want to start naming actresses and models who I think have totally ruined their looks by. They all have this kind of shiny, polished looking face with skin pulled over, tight cheekbones, a little stub nose and then they have these massive lips that look like they belong on a blow up doll, in my opinion. Yes, some of the pouting lips really are rather overblown, aren't they? But there's always people that will take things to extremes, aren't there? There's some people that will just have the kind of bust enhancements that. But it's quite sort of weird that, you know, you do get actresses who think that is going to make their career more long lived but actually it doesn't because the whole point of being an actress is that you are unique, you don't want to look like other people. And I sure when actresses get old then there is work to be an older. I mean look at Judi Dench. Yeah, she looks amazing. Yeah, they look amazing. And they haven't had Julie Walters, you know, but there are people that just couldn't, you know, they just couldn't countenance growing old, can they? They just said no, I can't have wrinkles like that. And that because they got the money, they can have it. I'm just wondering if it's more of an American culture than sort of. I think it is, but it's coming over here like American culture seems to do. I think it is coming, but. Yeah, but why don't why can't people face getting old? Do you think it's to do with how society perceives older women or is it do with the fear of dying? Isn't it? Look at all the cosmetics trade. It's all, you know, reduce your wrinkles, stop your wrinkles coming, make them go away, you know, look young, look 20 years younger than you are. Culture Men are also influenced by this as well, aren't they? Sometimes. Well, I think they are starting to use all these cosmetics. Yeah, but you know, the cosmetics people kind of ran out of a clientele. Didn't say then they had to sort of focus on men and then they focus on young children as well. They're all just looking for ways to expand their business, aren't they? So, you know, men have their creams now, don't they, to keep their skin. A lot of it's scientific nonsense. It is good that men are using moisturizers now because they can then have the sun blocking and they can protect their this skin from the sun damage. So that's good. And to have their skins moisturized. Yeah, I think that's. It's good to use that. But whether you need one that costs 50 pounds and has a lot of scientific women jargon to go with it. Do you really need that? Yeah, well, I mean, I really like moisturizer, but not in this hot weather. It's been absolutely dreadful. I don't need it at all in the hot weather. It's a waste of anything. Makeup in. Well, I think we're gonna have a short break. Drink some water and we'll be catching up with you after the break. See you very soon. When we'll be talking about what, what plastic. We'll wait and see. Okay, bye for now. WRS women's radio station. Voice of Women Worldwide, Sarah's Universal Soul Show. 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Isn't it supposedly the distance between the eyes and how big the eyes are and the symmetry? Yeah, yeah. Well, that's, that's the perception, but I think there's also. Isn't it. But it's the personality as well that comes through, isn't it? But asymmetric shaped faces can also be beautiful, can't they? Yeah, and I think there is a scientific measurement for what is beautiful, but I think it is to do with the personal. Like you said, if somebody's personality comes over as being warm and happy and funny and a nice person, that makes people beautiful. So, you know, if you had one naturally beautiful person sitting next to somebody who's had a lot of work done, who would get, I mean, who would get the. Well, you don't know, do you? The job or the. Oh, I see what you say. It depends on the job. I think if it's something that, where the person is on show may be a receptionist, some kind of hostess type job, that would be the person with the plastic surgery. I mean, I've noticed. I mean, maybe it's because I'm older, you notice things more. But when I was in my 20s, I'm sure there wasn't a standard look of beauty that there is. Oh, I think there was, yeah. Yeah, because it's, it's pop stars, it's kind of, you know, you know, it's people in, in this, in the spotlight, in the public eye, they set the trends, don't they? I mean, in. There was Twiggy, wasn't there? And everybody wanted to be thin and then there was other people that the hair was straight, so everybody wanted to have straight hair. But I. I think. I think that's more now. I mean, you could walk down in any street in London, you'll see a lot of very attractive girls of a certain type of beauty that I'm sure I'm. I don't think they all wore the same type of hairstyle. The same. I know hairstyles come and go and, you know, but I. There are. It seems to me now that all the youngsters, every. The girls have all got long, lanky hair as long as they can make it. And others have got extensions and it's all curly and all over the place and all the guys are walking around with beards and. Yeah. Or else their hair is shaved up almost to the top of their head and they've just got long hair. And the girls have a certain type of eyebrow shape which looks like it's been painted on because they've got caterpillars crawling over their faces. Yeah. And they dye their tarantula legs or something. I think there's always been fashion and certain looks are fashionable, but I think it has become more rigid in what's attractive now. And, you know, with the straight hair. That's all hair extensions as well. Most of them can't grow their hair as long as they want to, so they're paying to have extensions put in. I think there's more money spent on changing what you naturally are these days. It's more than dyeing your hair, it's the hair extensions. It's also the amount of money that's spent on nails. Oh, God, yeah. Which shocks me because I ruin my nails because I work with my hands. I wouldn't have it done and. But it's amazing. But I think it is to do with marketing, getting us to spend more money. We must go and spend money on our nails. We must spend money on getting our eyebrows the right shape and dyed and. Whereas it used to be more. Yet the hairdressers is probably seen as an essential. I mean, the thing is, I. I see these girls with very, very long talons and they think, well, they've got to actually use a keyboard, so they must be going clickety clack, click, click, click, click. It's. And. Or playing the piano. How can they play the piano? Well, I wonder how they use their mobile phone. Because you've got to use the touch of the finger. You've got to have the body heat, haven't you? You can't just use the Tips of the fingernails. Well, I think. And no word of a lie. Her fingernails were silver, and they came out about good 2 cm beyond the end of her fingers. I mean, to me, it looks as though she'd completely disabled herself. I didn't know what she could do. They do click their fingernails on their phone screens. You can actually hear them doing that. But if you just do it with your fingernail, it doesn't. Doesn't work. It needs your body heat, doesn't it, to actually make. To actually react. I don't know. But that's the way they do. And they do things kind of sideways, don't they? They're gonna malform nails. Oh, did you see that guy who's been growing his nails for sort of, I don't know, hundreds of years? And one of them was about this one nail. He's just finally had them all cut because it was one hand that he allowed these nails to grow. And he was on a. He was standing with his hand at one end of a table, and the table must have been a good 4 foot long. And this nail kind of snaked its way because obviously they don't grow straight all the way to the end of this table. And it was just horrendous. I've seen that. I think they hurt him too much. That's why he had to get rid of them eventually. I think this. In Chinese culture, there was some. Something like that with old men or priests or something. But I have seen that. Yeah, it's gross. It is. I must say, when you mentioned about men with beards, I am really sick of seeing young men with beards because I don't like beards. And it seems a shame all these attractive young men are covering their faces. Some people like beards. They think they're very attractive. Yeah, some people do, but I do. But I think also there's a difference between, like, short, neat little trim beards and these kind of biblical, massive beards. Bits of food get stuck in. Yeah, the folk sort of scene has influenced the look because you've got all these very, very attractive young men with these very sort of fairly long beards. Very good, you know, well shaped. Oh, they spend a lot of money, I think, on grooming. And some of them, you have to have the right face, I think, for. Yes, they don't suit everyone. They're like a lot of things. But I was talking to my hairdresser about it, who's a young girl about the men with beards, and she said she didn't like it because the worst thing was that they spent so much time on talking about them and how they looked after them. They actually made them boring. We're talking about natural beauty that I was talking about the Cindy doll before the break, and I realized it's it. I made the mistake. It's the Barbie doll. And they showed you a photograph of this person. I've. I can't pronounce her name. It's an Eastern name, Slovakian name. And she was beautiful. She was such a lovely little girl. You know, there was a picture of her when she was about 4 or 5. And she was the epitome of what you'd sort of say, you know, that's a beautiful little girl. And to have started changing and having things done to that natural beauty just seemed to me such a shame. And the sort of the sculpting of her body to look like something as unnatural as the proportions of a Barbie doll. Yeah, it's horrible and very, very unhealthy. And that's what I feel about the several celebrities I feel that way about. That started off as being very beautiful young women and have transformed themselves with plastic surgery to. Now I don't think they look attractive. And they seem to keep having more and more. Well, I think you have to, don't you? Once you do something, you have to do it again to keep it. So if it's a facelift, you do have to keep having it redone. I mean, Joan Rivers was, you know, a very good example. I mean, I love Joan Rivers. And I think she. The reason why. I think she was totally upfront about it. Yeah. And the. And how it had affected her, I don't think. I think she had, if I'm wrong, come back to me. But I think she realized that she didn't need to do. Have done all she did to look attractive. I didn't. Yeah. Because she was a very clever, funny woman, I thought. And she was attractive even as she aged. And I felt that kind of detracted for the respect that I had for her talent, that she kept having all this plastic surgery done because I think it made her look a bit like a freak. And I just thought that was quite sad because I really kind of admired her as a comedian. It almost became part of her act, though. It did. She did incorporate. It was part of her personality in the end. And as we were saying earlier, that if someone isn't that beautiful, if they've got a fantastic personality. So even she. Even though she was doing all that stuff and looking a bit less than real because, you know, she'd been. The skin had been tightened so much. She was such an amazing personality that you kind of. You put the movement in her face for her almost, I think. Yeah. But she had such a dry wit and, yeah, she was amazing and her eyes were so amazing. I think it sort of, you know, it didn't. She was still Joan Rivers at the end of the day. Yeah, she did save it by making fun of herself doing it. But if you say, take a woman like Jo Brand, who's a comedian that I also admire, and she's started off as being a big lady on the comics where they actually heckled her and made fun and rude about her appearance. And she's never tried to change that. I mean, she always looks well groomed, well presented, but she hasn't tried to change it about herself. And on that note, we're going to take a short break. See you soon. Welcome to Women's Radio Station, the voice of women worldwide. Hungry an average woman eats about 2 to 3 kilos of the lipstick in her lifetime. Women's Radio Station, we want to hear from you. This is Women's Radio Station. You're listening to Avril Price with Kitchen Sink Spirituality. It's Anna Kennedy talking all things autism. And my guest today is Karen Nunn. I listen to Women's Radio station Women. The possibilities are endless. That's what makes us different. 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And I'm Patsy and we're open as a trans woman living in the centre of London in 2018. The show's about all the barriers I face on a daily level, but it's also about our life stories, how we got to where we are, how we stayed positive in the face of adversity and being more than just a label. It's about finding one's true, authentic self. But it's also about your stories too. So send us a Send us a tweet. Send us an email at presentersomensradio, the voice of women Worldwide women's radio station is a not for profit, community interest company. Supporting women is our passion. We're currently welcoming donations to help towards our running costs to keep this important initiative alive. To donate, simply head to our website Every little will help. Hello. Welcome back to open discussion. We've been talking about plastic surgery, fake beauty and natural beauty. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, they say. Well, I think it's also in the eye of the storm. When you look in the mirror and you think, oh, my God, I'm put on weight there and I'm looking really floppy. I don't know. Well, it doesn't sound right, you know, in English. In English. I think what you're trying to say is that even though we're all kind of aging and everything does go south eventually, there's lots you can do that's quite healthy to make yourself feel good and look good and hold on to the person you are. If it's just like Joy was talking about her exercise plan. Oh, yes, yes. That's just about keeping the whole body moving as it's trying to sort of fall into decay and repair. Seize up. Yes. Because I'm not a gym person and I don't run. I didn't even run as a child. I couldn't do that. And I don't play tennis or do anything like that. So basically, the sort of keep fit things are a bit of an anathema to me. So I devised what I call my 10 minute exercise for the disinclined. And it's. And it's just every morning, creaking out of bed, I just exercise every single joint of the body with sort of 10 repeats. You know, the ankles twist one way and the other way and the knees go round in a circle and the hips go backwards and forward and sideways and the knees come up and twist. And it's amazing what an effect that has. I remember, I think it must be about two or three years ago that I decided to start doing it when everything starts stiffening up. And I just started with five repetitions and I kept a diary and I made notes of, you know, the changes. And it surprised me myself how much difference it made doing it every single day and doing 10 repetitions. A, it gets you moving and B, it keeps you moving and, and you just, you just sort of fight the, the arthritis, you know, it keeps it at bay. Have you thought of writing a book and marketing that? It sounds a good idea. Well, I need, I need someone to help me do it, because I don't. Because I did give, I did offer the idea to somebody that did videos and she said, oh, you should do it. I've got a clue where to start to make a video. But, but you know, it's about Self working and keeping things. Because they say, don't you? About everything. Even if you don't lose it, you lose it. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you in a way. So I do do exercise classes and things, but I like to get most of my exercise from my everyday activities. So I like to walk as much as possible around London. I like to go up and down stairs and not use a lift. I ride my bicycle around the place. So I like to get my activity from all those kind of things ra rather than specifically going to a place to do activities. But where I do find them really valuable are things for my joints, like Pilates, which really does help keep the joints moving. I'm just not very good at doing classes regularly, you know, I'm not good at doing anything. So this 10 minutes just suits me down to the ground. The other thing I like, which I believe you've actually tried as well, is Nordic walking. Oh, yes, yes. I did have a go at that one time. Yeah. I think that's a very good exercise because you walk with. You use poles to propel you along and it's actually 40% more effective than normal walking in terms of muscle use and calories. Yeah. Because it exercises the whole body, doesn't it? Yeah. And it's very good for the joints as well, for older people to do. So. I have noticed a lot of people carrying what I thought was ski. Yeah. Yes. But they're not, obviously. They're for Nordic walkers. Yes. You should not walk fast as well. Yes, you do. When you get used to it, you can get places faster. But the thing is, if you're walking around central London, you can't walk with poles. You hit people along the way and knock them out of the way. There's something a bit annoying, actually, I find about it, though, as somebody observes all these very fit elderly people. I just find it very annoying seeing these people carrying these poles in both hands and they've got that sort of superior look about them. I can walk faster. You make him feel guilty. I. I don't know. I like cycling. I like cycling. I never learned. I like doing lots of different things and I like tap dancing. Until I had that problem with my foot, which is tragic. But, yeah, I mean, I do belong to the gym, but I don't use it enough. And I think I keep. Every week I go, I think, well, I did enjoy that and I should go more often, but I end up not going to often. And then I have a conversation with myself saying, well, if you don't go more than two times a week you're gonna have to, you know, stop it and do something else. Yeah. Now I actually, I did a cheerleading class today and I really enjoy cheerleading and it's got this kind of reputation of being a kind of sexist thing for men to glare at the women in skimpy clothes at sporting events. But actually it's really good exercise. Ye is. And it is good fun because it's not. I'm not really naturally a dancer. I did try tap dancing once. I was absolutely useless, like two left feet. So I find it a bit of a challenge and kind of waving these pom poms around. It's really just kind of silly and makes you feel good. I quite like. You know, when I was about 20 and moved to London, I did this very old fashioned exercise class where they had a long stick. Used to do all these things with your arms and twisting. No, it wasn't. It was a bit like sort of cheerleading, only with a battle. You did a lot of. Yeah, like movements with your, your wrists, with your elbows, twisting the arm into good, you know, sort of interesting shapes that exercise all the triceps and the biceps. Yeah. And it was that old fashioned Eileen Fowler sort of right her stand up and then chest out, like keep fit classes. Of course you don't have those anymore now. My mother used to do those. The other thing that I've done that's quite interesting is Tai chi, which is very kind of spiritual. But they also use sticks with that and also giant fans with the one that I do. So you flick these fans open as part of the exercise. And apparently the fan, excuse me, is a weapon in Tai Chi because it is a martial art art. But I find it very therapeutic for the mind because Tai Chi is the very slow one, isn't it? Yeah, it's very slow. I've done that for a while. Yeah. But as I say, I'm not good at keeping up classes going. So I mean going round the room, what would be your thing that you'd like to try, you know, exercise wise that you haven't done before? Well, I liked, I went to salsa classes and I really enjoyed those the first time they treated it as kind of line dancing and that was good because you didn't have the hassle of sort of whether there were enough men to go around. Because you go to dance classes, there's always more women than men. So an equivalent to that, I suppose would be line dancing. I've never had to go at that and sort of thought I might like to Because I think that can be quite entertaining. Yeah, no, I think that's good. I like that because I used to live in cowboy country in New York, Mexico. I'm really into all that. But the thing I'd like to try that I heard of recently is Bollywood dancing. Oh, what's that? It's like, you know, like the Bollywood musicals. The Indian. So he's dancing to Indian music. Yeah. Doing all those sort of movements. So that's really. Is that one you got your neck from side. I haven't done it yet. A friend of mine did belly dancing. She loved that. That was great. That's really good for your back. Belly dancing. I would like to have got that as well. I think I would. Yes, maybe belly dancing because I think that is very good for the hips and the, and the pelvis and the. The instructor encouraged them all to get into costume as well. So she said it was great, you know, so wearing all the. But I, I would do self defense. I'd do one of the. Oh, no. Self defense classes because I think they're very. A mixture of spiritual strength building and flexibility, which I think is vital as you get older. So I would do those. I've done things like that in the past. Well, no, I haven't tried that. And also because people don't. Aren't used to sort of defending themselves as much now. So I think it sort of makes you a bit more going. I think it's confidence. Yeah. You can feel more confident with self defense because. So if anyone wants to let me know what self defenses, self defense classes are good for women. Contact, open discussion, let me know. Right, we've almost come to the end of another section of the open discussion group and I think we're going to take a short break. We're going to run around the block, get some excess, grab some water and see you very soon. 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We're currently welcoming donations to help towards our running costs to keep this important initiative alive. To donate simply head to our website. Every little will help. Hello, welcome back to Open Discussion where we've been talking about keeping healthy, physically healthy anyway, also having. What else have been talking about? Well, we've just been talking about the sort of natural beauty versus the plastic beauty, haven't we? People trying change themselves, plastic surgery. Have we? Yeah, you can be the best you in several ways and we were just talking about exercise but there are other ways like looking after your skin. Not necessarily spending a lot of money on cosmetics but keeping your skin clean and moisturized and things. And also what you put in your, in your body as well, what you eat and drinking lots of water and not drinking lots of alcohol and things like that. Those are all parts that go to a whole well being as well as having a good mental state and a positive outgoing attitude. Well, they say you are what you eat, don't they? And I remember somebody that I think that we've all knew and I just was always stunned. She always had beautiful, beautiful white teeth but she didn't drink tea or coffee. And I've you know, over the years I've always drunk loads of tea and loads of coffee. And it has an effect, I think on the color of your. But the enamel of your teeth. But there's also a lot of tooth whitening products around at the moment, which is something we didn't mention when we're talking about work people have done. But a lot of people have their teeth bleached, which is very bad for the enamel. Takes it off and it also makes your teeth very sensitive and it really hurts when you have it done. So I don't think her teeth were bleached. It was just that she drank herbal teas all the time. She was a good diet. When I went last went to the dentist, I not well he said you've got very. Your teeth need a good, you know, cleanup because the back had gone like I drink well I don't drink a lot of coffee but I drink the coffee is very stable coffee. Yeah. And maybe I'd had a few glasses of red wine over the previous months and that's now put me off. Yes. Because red wine stains a lot and that had put me off. Now I don't drink red wine hardly at all because I think it does affect the teeth. It does. But also my dentist actually told me that herbal teeth also stain your teeth. Oh really? Yeah. Even though they're good for you. And I think it can depend on your actual natural tooth colour. I think some people have naturally more yellow teeth. I'm sure it depends on a lot of things like your. The type of saliva you have. Some people can eat a lot of. Of types of food that stain and it affects them much more than other people. But I also think like a good dental routine at home with the electric toothbrush and then going to the hygienist to get everything scraped off twice a year does help a lot and it's good for the health of your teeth as well and your gums to get My nephew who's very into nutrition, he's. He's very, very knowledgeable. He said the best way to keep yourself in trim without going to a huge diet thing is actually not. Is to have a natural fast every day. He said don't have breakfast. I know this goes against the brain because he said you're sleeping overnight, you're not eating, avoid the breakfast, have some water because by the time you have your lunch you have already had a fast. Then you have sort of a nice healthy lunch and then you start again almost. That wouldn't work for me because mid morning I would actually start to feel sick and faint. I couldn't handle that regime. I don't eat very much when I first get up in the morning because I don't feel like it. I maybe eat a little bit of fruit or yogurt or something, but come about 11 o' clock and I am ravenous every day, that's when I need to eat my largest meal. But I think it can be. It's about listening to your body, different people are different and what your body likes, what. But I think he was saying there's a lot of people graze too much. Yes. Oh, yes, definitely. That's the power. It's not really what you're eating, it's just the type of. Oh, yeah. No, I think that grazing is very bad. I'd agree with him. But I think the thing about weight is it's not fatty diets. It's just deciding that your regular routine diet is going to be a sensible, healthy diet that doesn't contain a lot of calories. And if you do go out and have a really big meal or something one day, then the next day you just kind of moderate back to your healthy diet. But I think that's the way is that your whole pattern for life is one of healthy, sensible, moderate eating with exercise. Yeah. Because the fatty diet, once it's over and you go back to eating the way you were before, you sort of lose a stone and then you'll put it back on again in the same amount of time. Sometimes, yeah. You often put on more. These people that go on these kind of fasting diets or the Atkins diet, or. It's boring. They just need to be, you know, eat healthily. But that is what it's about if you want to sort of keep a decent weight and processed junk food that you don't know what's being put into with all this added sugar and salt and fat and stuff that's been put in your own food. I have to admit that I do sort of occasionally have a ready meal because I just can't fit cooking into a day. But I'm aware that when I do that, you know, I haven't got a clue how many spoonfuls of sugar in it or salt or all sorts of things that go into those meals. Yeah. I try to avoid them now because I actually really don't like them. I prefer what I put together myself. Well, I do like bacon. They're the ones. Ones that I buy. Liver and bacon. Yeah, that's quite healthy. Liver and. Yeah, but if it's. If it's a ready meal. You just know there's going to have to be preservatives in it. There'll be probably quite a lot of salt in it, but it's probably. Unless it's got some sort of heavy sauce on it or something, I think that that's where you get. There is a very nice ready meal. Liver and bacon. That a certain very good beginning with C is. It's excellent value, I think. Very, very nice. But this was not an advert. No, this was not an advert. I also find with those ready meals, they're actually quite small portions and they're actually an awful lot of calories for not a great quantity of food. Where if I make myself a big crisp salad, I'm actually feeling like I'm more full and it's all good stuff. Stuff that's gone inside me. I'm not really that pious. I do have lapses and ek or something. She silenced us, didn't she, for a minute. I'm not pretending to be that virtuous. Yeah, that's the trouble, isn't it? It's the. The sort of the pecan split and the sort of the Eccles cake. But I think a sensible, you know, a treat every now and again is a sensible thing because if you deprive yourself of cakes and ice cream and all those good things, you just end up with a huge craving for it and you want to go and eat a lot. But if you have an occasional cake or something, then I think a nice cake is. Is fine. But I used to have crisps nearly every day, you know, and I've banned them now. Yeah, that's good for your skin, is it? I mean, I like ice cream. I have to admit. That's kind of my passion. Your kidneys here. I'm not worried about ice cream, actually. I can live without it. Although it has been very. An ice lolly this last few weeks has been very welcome, isn't it? Yes. I went into a newsagent's once during the heat wave when I was nearly dying at the Elephant Castle and rushed in and grabbed an ice lolly out of the freezer and then just stuck it in and it did give relief, I have to say. I did really enjoy it. So the bus stop, sucking on a lolly. Your ice poles are great in the hot weather, aren't they? Actually, I think that's what I had was an ice pole. Yeah, smashing. Well, I haven't seen any of those this year. Where have I been? Oh, I think these are ones that I brought in the supermarket and just froze myself. So maybe they've got too much. Well, I think it is almost that time of the evening where we have to say au revoir until the next time. I think we need to go to the pub and have a drink and have some chips, really. And counteract everything we've said to you and. Well, please join us at the pub. Have you been listening to the open discussion on women's radio Station? 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