Your Mind Matters With Maria Kempinska – Kev Hooper & Liz Sandey, How Psychics Help Heal The Mind

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Both the American and Russian governments hired psychics during the Cold War. Tony Blair employed psychics, as did the Romanov family, who befriended Rasputin. Washington, Lincoln, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Nixon, Carter and Clinton all used psychics. Shakespeare wrote Tiresias the Greek seer into a number of his plays. Hitler built his own temple, and it said that Churchill himself had psychic abilities. I'm Dr. Maria Kempinska, a psychotherapist, and I know that some people have a gift of prophecy. This is yous Mind Matters. And today my guests are psychics Kev Hooper, who is a psychic medium, and Liz Sandow, a Tarot reader with whom I'm discussing how psychics help heal the mind. And is it time society really listened? I'd like to say welcome to you, first of all, Kev, and can we begin with you telling me more about your background and how you discovered your gift? Yeah. Hi, Maria. Hi. Thanks for joining us. No, great. Thanks for the invite. Really nice of you. Thank you. I started my psychic development in 2018. I just. I never knew I had the gift. We all have the gift. Okay. I was walking along my local high street and I saw a sign saying psychic development. I went in and introduced myself, joined the course, which was a six week course. I was the only one out the whole six weeks getting absolutely nothing from day one right through to the end of the six weeks. But I stuck to it because I felt was my purpose. Looking back, I was meant to be there at the right time. After the course finished, I actually developed more in myself than actually being in a group because I was taught to Only to work one way. That's not how I wanted to work. So I can work anyway, psychically by holding items of jewelry, reading photographs, Tarot cards, if I need to do them as well, first name and surname. So off went my journey. I went out on Facebook, put my name out there and I had a reply just to test it. I had. I just wanted to give free readings just so I could develop in myself. I had a Reply of about 600 people replying back to me wanting free readings. So I went on my little journey for about three, four weeks. Absolutely shattered myself doing this. But looking back, I had to do it to get my name out there and also developing myself. So off went my journey. Since then, I've helped many people around the world. I do everything by messenger, as in the person sending the photograph across to me and I just read for them. I tune into them and read for them. Also do ones in the city, my local area as well. So, yeah, that was my journey and I've been on an amazing journey from day one. Wow. How long ago was this, Kev? 2018. Wow. So not long, but very intense. I understand. It's been amazing. You've thrown yourself into it. How amazing. I can't wait to open up the conversation and hear your stories. If I can just at this point introduce you. Liz, welcome and thanks for joining us and tell me a bit more about your background, please. Lovely to talk to you today. I'm a Tarot reader. I've read Tarot most of my life. My dad was a Tarot reader when I was younger. I was quite strongly connected and then sort of like many people went through probably a slightly dark time in my life in my 20s where I moved away from it. But then a number of teachers and guides came to me and I started to develop and through some personal experiences, the connection came through an awful lot stronger. I delight in using the cards and, you know, work in quite a different way to how would work. And there are distinct differences between the types of readings and the connection that's made. I find that at the moment you're getting a whole different range of people coming forward that have maybe never asked for readings previously. And it's just. I find it absolutely fascinating. I read it events or I do lives every week via Facebook, a whole range of different ways. And, you know, as we've said, the connection now through technology is so different to what it was 12 months ago. Anything is possible and it's every day you learn. I think you never say, I'm a Tarot reader, that's the end of the story. There's different things happen within the world that broadens you and you speak to different people and it's always a tremendously enriching experience. It's absolutely fascinating. I can't wait to hear your stories as well. Liz. My first question then to both of you, which is a very important one at this moment because globally I think people are talking about mental health issues and the mental health, mental well being has always been part of the world's needs but recently it's only the first time that it's actually been addressed so publicly. So can I ask you. Let's start with you, Liz, and then go to you, Kev. Do your readings help people with their mental health issues and how they do and in a variety of ways. I mean many people will come and could be relationship issues. At the moment you're tending to see a little bit more concern about careers and finances. Things will really bother them and with Tarot it opens up the way that they view themselves, give them guidance. But occasionally you do get somebody with what I would say much deeper, much stronger issues that really need to be referred on to a professional, a professional psychotherapist. And I think some people that try to deal with these in a sort of a tarot psychic environment are not, are not doing the best well being for the individual. And it's the aim of Tarot to give that level of guidance to give people choices about what they do. But certainly on a level it's giving them somebody to talk to that they trust and trusted position because people are opening up to you and also because you don't understand that very much about their lives. You don't know where they live or who they live next door to. You are objective because you're not part of their circle. And is there a card that you know, that you pick up that will give you an indication that somebody's got mental health issues that's deeper than the normal, let's say everyday, you know, relationship problems. I've just had a quarrel with my husband. Is he coming back to dinner for tonight or something like that. But you know, the anxiety, but it's much deeper, deeper issues. I would say something like the three of swords and putting it next to the tower where you know there's problems and anything to do with three of swords is sort of a, an emotional, a relationship and it can be any sort of relationship issue. The tower is. I'm not going to talk about the worst cards, but it is a card where Things are not going well. Yeah. And do you give guidance then? I know you've said you'd you for deep mental health issues, you would refer them or suggest they go to somebody else, but do you give any sort of suggestion that they. How they can improve their lives? Yeah. When you say do I give it, I put it in couch it in a way that is very much about options, that people will look at themselves. Because once you sort of, you turn and you say you need to do this, then you're almost putting a slight control. And that's not what it's about, but it's showing that possibly if someone takes a certain step, this is what the future will look like. If they choose not to do it, the future will be in a different way and allow them to sort of to open up and start to feel. And maybe we'll just do maybe a tiny meditation or a pause in it where instead of just using tarot cards, I'll step in with some Oracle cards just to break that energy slightly and then come back to tarot so people have time to reflect and then formulate the question that they really want to ask. Oh, brilliant. Kev, can you give me your view on the mental health and how you deal with people who may have a deeper problem in the mental health arena? Yeah. Okay, thank you. I've had many people come to me, especially in the lockdown period where the world's totally changed. When I have people come to me, I don't ask any questions, I just literally tune in with them and I do pick up the problems going around them, as in not so much mental health, but depression. I mean, depression seems to be a big factor in my readings. A lot of people also stuck in past as well that have had problems for years and years and years. So effectively I tuned in with them. I always get. Always seem to get to the root of that problem with the person. And usually it sounds strange, but I mean, I'm a stranger to these people, but I feel that they're actually opening up with myself. But going on a deep level with me, that's the hardest thing for people to do, is actually open up and talk about what the problem is. So I've helped many people. I'm still in contact with every single person after the reading as well. I don't just do the reading and that's it. I'm still in contact with a lot of people just to make sure they're on the right pathway now. Yes. And you know, sorry, I always say I'm not a Doctor, I'm not a health advisor. I can't predict things. But it's more of a healing process for these people, actually. Tuning with the healing process, with the person actually in the reading. So you actually stay in touch for purpose of keeping them on track or. Exactly, yes, yes. So in that first session, do you get an idea of how deep their problems are? And if they have deep psychiatric problems, can you recognize that as well? Yeah, again, it all depends on the person in front of me. It does help if they tell me to a certain extent of what the problem is if I don't pick it up. It's all about them opening up. It's just. This is what I feel the purpose of my readings are. It's just to open up so I can fully tune in with these people and, and, and just get them back on the right path. I seem to be doing something right because it seems to be working for people. I mean, especially men. Men don't like opening up and talking about anything. So I've had a lot of men come my way that just. Just don't open up. Sorry. Well, men are opening up a lot more now than they ever did, let's say. Yeah, I agree with you, but it's. It's a. It's slowly. It's getting there slowly with the men world, the male world. Men just don't. They feel they can deal with it. I'll be right. Kind of thing. But, yeah, it's proven. Do you think they open up to you because you're a man, Kev? Yeah, I feel so. Especially with the male world, I don't get many men coming my way. It seems to be a lot. A lot of females actually do the readings for. Especially since it's locked down. Definitely got a lot more men coming my way now. Have you? Yeah, I have. Yes. The hardest thing is to actually open up and start talking. Yeah. But I. I do manage to get them to do this. And as I said, I'm still, still in contact with every single person after the reading from day one. And point to me a question to both of you, but I'll ask you first. Do you think you should work more closely with psychotherapists and doctors so that you can refer people to for further help? Kevin, what do you think? Well, I haven't thought about that, to be honest with you. It's all down to the person. All depends on the problem as well. Yeah. Because some of them. Let's ask you, Liz, you know, because sometimes people have a mental health problem or a problem of behavior or something. Or they may be repeating patterns that go over and over and over again that they may need a little bit more sort of understanding of their own mental organization that somebody who is a therapist may have more experience. What do you think, Liz? Yes, I would totally agree with that. And I think part of, I mean and I do suggest but occasionally it's almost knowing how to refer and to whom. Because if you say to somebody, well, it possibly with relationship, if deep seated relationship issues, whether they keep going back to the same type of person and experiencing, you know, abuse or the whole range of things, or even if it's somebody that has with someone with addictive behavior, you do need that psychotherapist input that can deal with the depths of the issue. When you say you need to go away. It would be so much easier if we had the contacts. You could actually suggest someone rather than almost giving the impression of closing a door on them so suddenly they're left out in the cold again. As to how even though I do a live every week and very much like and it's fabulous that people are still keeping in touch with Kev. And it's very much. I don't go out of my way to in touch, but I say I am here if you want to get in touch. So almost a slight different approach and you would hope that they would seek that additional support. But if there was a much better conduit for doing it, I would feel much more comfortable about saying about linking in with someone. Yeah. So it doesn't stop you from doing the work you do, but it gives you that extra depth where people might find, you know, sort of that they need to change their own behavior patterns. Are there certain issues that are coming up more and more at the moment for you, Liz, that people turn to you with? There's a mixture of what I'm seeing a lot of is relationship issues because suddenly people have been thrown closer together throughout lockdown and they're seeing different things. People with health issues where they've possibly been bumped down the waiting lists or not had the level of attention that possibly they would have had previously and more recently, I'd say in the last couple of months, it's career stroke finance. People are concerned, but they're also aware that when sort of things like the step changes with the furlough, if they were going to be made redundant, they wanted to know more about that. Yeah. And get a little bit more certainty. And do you find the same thing, Kev? Yeah, I totally agree with you. Again, since Lockdown. The whole world of reasons seem to have changed. It's all about, again, people lost at the moment. So we've got to try to get them back on the right pathway, even to the point of just getting the hedge back up again with positive, bit more of a positive outlook. Yeah, again, as Liz said, you know, there's a lot of relationship problems out there at the moment. Uncertainty around careers, uncertainty around work finances as a big thing at the moment as well. Hence what we're going through at the moment. And again, I will say to people, you know, it's. They're not by themselves again, a lot of people. It's going back to a lot of people. It's funny because I could seem to talk to talk to a stranger about their problems more than family and friends. That's where we come into it. I even self and Liz, I think that's interesting, I think that's such a good point because often it's within the family. Everybody has their own interpretation of what's going on. It's like when you see a car accident, you know, everybody on all sides has a different viewpoint and in a relationship everybody has a part to play. So I presume somebody on the outside like yourselves and obviously in psychotherapist with a deeper, you know, sort of understanding of patterns and so on, but you can give a different view. But do people come back with the same thing over and over again at the moment, since you see them all the time? Kevin? Well, once I've done a reading, I always say don't come back to me for another three months because they don't need another reading. But I do provide the aftercare service after that reading for free. That's what I do. Yes, a lot of mediums out, they're not knocking the world, but they seem to want to do reading for half hour, 45 minutes and that's it. Thank you very much. No aftercare support. But that's very important to me. That's been important, important to me from day one. So again, it's always nice to know that for the person that's just had a reading, that they've got someone they can turn to after the reading and understands them. Is that because they've opened up to you? They've opened up, you know, it's, it's always makes it a lot easier when they do open up. Always say to every person they're reading, don't block me because it's, I'm not, I'm not going to be able to read for you. Just open up, then I will help you. I will help you. Yeah, yeah. And have you ever had it that you can't help somebody? Only because they blocked me. But that was a psychic medium that was there. Just a test, but never mind. Yeah, somebody was testing you. So they were really trying to. Okay, yeah, they were just blocking me, but that was another reason. It wasn't that they. You couldn't help them. It was somebody who was just testing you. What about you, Liz? Did most people open up? They do. They do very much. But sometimes I find that. And I don't know whether Kev finds this. The question they ask you is not really the question that they really want answered. They're asking in a sort of a. Sort of a slightly left field way. And you have to unpick that slightly because it's almost the real question. They're quite nervous about possibly a level of embarrassment about what they want to ask. But, you know, I really respect what Kev said about the aftercare, because he's right. There are many people that go, ching, ching. Thank you very much. And that's it. And so the work that Kev's doing is just outstanding. It's really great, really great. And yourself, Liz, as well. Well done, you know. Yeah, I'm delighted that you're both on here. And can I ask you, do you believe in the term of wounded healer? Do you think every time that both of you have had experiences in your lives that have been less than easy, you know, have created trauma, dilemma, disaster, perhaps, and do you think that's helped in your psychic abilities, Liz? Do you think that might have helped? Does it help, do you think? I think so. I mean, I've had some experiences that. Well, when I'll say it quite openly. When I had my daughter, I had a near death experience. And that has certainly helped with people that are ill because there's a level of understanding. And I'm not going to pretend to be a medium. And I think the work that mediums do is tremendous. You know, the bridge that they are is just fantastic. But it's certainly a bit of an understanding about the fear and trying to allay that. But you can't help but bring life's experience in. But you can never forget it's about the other person, it's not about you. And do you ever get in the way. Does your life ever get in the way of the work you do? Do you ever sit down to a reading and you've had something that's happened to you in the morning that you can't get rid of. Do you always manage to put that aside and concentrate on your client? I would. If I'm not well or I don't know, something has happened, I would not do the reading because I wouldn't want anything to impact it. And also, it does block your connection slightly. And you can't help if, say, you're very annoyed about something really cross. You can't help but that drip freeze in. So I always make sure that I'm. I always meditate a little bit before readings and sort of open myself up. So you've got to be at that certain vibration. Well, I find I do. I think lots of tarot readers and mediums, they all work in very different ways. But I won't do anything that's going to impact or make me say something, someone that's come for a reading that I shouldn't. And Kev, has your, you know, past experiences, has that helped. That helped you in your ability to read for others, that made you more sensitive to them? Yeah, again, I have a bit of a. I've been down a few bad roads. I'm not going to go into the personal side of it, but I've been. I've been rock bottom. So people that are rock bottom, okay. And I've had many people come to me that want to commit suicide. So my story, to a certain extent, becomes my story to them. Just to snap them out of it, just to show them that you can get through the depression or the suicidal thoughts. It seems to be working again. I don't know how I do it, but never mind. No, no, that's great. But you did tell me a story. Can you tell us the story of the bridge? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Again, this was in lockdown in one week. I had. I think I had. Was it four? Four or five people, two of them, ready. I got a phone call from this guy and said to me, you're the psychic guy, aren't you? I said, yes. I said, who are you? He said, look, my name's so and so. I'm just about to jump off a bridge or. Okay, can I phone you back? So I had his number and I said, I'll phone you back in five minutes. So I phoned him back and, yeah, I mean, he was ready to go, ready to jump off this bridge. So somebody in spirit has put him in contact with me because that's how I feel. The spirit will work with me in the work that I do. Well, he's still here, thank God. But this happened four Times in a week. Four people ready to commit suicide. They're still here, thank God. So I've done my bit to get them back on track again just by going down the road of my story of where I've been in my past and what's happened in my life. This, again, it seems to have worked. So. Thank God. Thank God. I wasn't expecting that at all. No, that's a bit. That's a big story. Obviously, helping people when they're feeling that they need to take their own lives is such a big deal. I've worked for the Samaritans and obviously have, you know, various clients that have wanted to take their own lives. But do you think it helps the fact that you actually open up and tell them your story, Kev, as well? 100%, yeah. So that you've shown them that you can come through this. And do you give them tools to work with? Do you give them, you know, sort of psychological tools to work with? Well, yeah, Once I've gotten them back on track, then I've become a bit of a mentor for them in a way where I can just keep an eye on them. Not so much of reading. It's just just to wake them up and get them back on track again. Yeah, yeah. I also, because I am a Reiki healer as well, so I do link to my healing guides in spirit as well that send out healing to these people at the same time as our spiritual healing. Yeah, and that seems to work as well. So a bit of a combination of talking to people and also the spiritual side of it with the healing process as well. It seems to be a good combination to get these people back on that right pathway again. And what about you, Liz? How do you deal with these sort of intense issues? Well, first, I'm going to say, you know, Kev, that's fantastic. And I would agree with what you say that spirit ascending people to. Because of just the amazing work that you're doing. I would totally agree with that. And, you know, it's very, very touching to hear. I find I don't get that many people and possibly about me with suicide, but I get tremendous amount of relationship problems with people or people that are, as I've said, going through this treatment. And a lot of it is cancer and how they get through it, or if they've got a partner going through it, what they can do for strength. So, yeah, you. You can't help but bring a little bit of your own experiences into it as a bit of a guide. But always with tarot it's very much about personal choice. So it's making sure that, you know, people really understand themselves and the choices they make and the path they take. And a lot of them will say, I feel, you know, maybe there's something wrong, or I feel this. So it's helping people to open up a little bit to their own intuition. That's very important that, you know, we trust it because sometimes we know we know something, but we don't know why we know it. Follow that. It's that. That feeling that, you know, I love people to sort of. For it to be drawn out. I do some people and, you know, I'm not sure if you feel it with your own unique experiences. But even though they go through that, they'll come back in two weeks and go, yes, but this hasn't happened. And they're almost saying to you the same pattern that they are struggling to move on from that space. Have you ever recognized that somebody is much more ill than you expected or they knew? And if so, how did you handle that, Liz, with me? I have, and it tends to have been people that have, or primarily ladies that are in abusive relationships where they haven't recognized, I would say, the close, imminent danger they are in. But you can't just say to someone, right, you need to pack up and go, yeah, but it's broadening and helping and being there to show the spaces that they can go to and the places they can go to where they will be safe. And it's trying to get them to recognize a pattern of behavior in the partner that is starting to lead to the downward spiral, that if things get to a higher level of control or the levels of violence, how much more they're getting, how much uncontrolled they are. When you start to see that pattern, I believe people need serious help. Yeah. And when. When you see that, do you see that through the cards? And then they open up and tell you more? Does each card prompt a new, you know, sort of secret being told to you? You do see a pattern in the card very much. Okay. As well as. What would you intuitively pick up yourself? You know, the psychic connection that you get. But this within spreads. When you do one card, it's just for guidance. So I would pull a card today and say, oh, this is, you know, almost like this is what you need to look at today. It's not a reading, it's not a spread. But when you see one card after the other and how they connect and the order that they form in, then you start to see that there's a bigger problem. And when you learn to use the tarot or whatever medium you use, and I know, Kev, you said you were taught various other means, do you find your own way within that? Or is there something that is a pattern that everybody chooses or uses? Kev, how do you work? Do you work with. Do you work with objects? Jewelry? Yeah. Yeah. I just use it as a one to one when. When somebody has a reading with me. I'll just hold an item of jewelry, anything, mobile phone, debit card, basically any. Anything. Yeah. I don't go into the bank account details. Yeah. Basically everything's got an energy. So that's what psychometry is, psychometry is an energy. But I can. I can read by holding anything from that person and that's how I read. I don't ask questions of that person. I just literally just tell them what I've got to give them and all that. All they do is reply back yes or no until the end of the reading. I always say that with every reading I do. I've got. I've got a box of a thousand jigsaw puzzles I've got. Throwing them all up in the air, all those pieces together at the end of the reading. So that person's got a much clearer picture for the reading before they come, before they came in and saw me. And again, is there something that you've actually held as a, you know, in a reading that has been so profound and so interesting? What objects have you used in the past? All interesting. Basically everything rings, watches, mobile phones, credit cards, debit cards, Chinese photographs in front of me. Actually, I actually read from a teddy bear last week. Oh, did you? Yeah, I've read from medals, heirlooms. That's still in the family. Yeah. Does it pick up other people apart from the person you're reading for? Yeah. Again with my work, I'm just a channel between here and the spirit world message. All the messages that I'm given is not me. This is coming from the spirit world. I'm just that channel to relay the message onto that person. So it's all spiritual work that I do. I always try. There's always somebody of that person that. That's giving me the messages. And nine times out of 10, I will get that link to that person. And is it. Is it often a surprise or do they expect it? Do they say, oh, yeah, I knew they were around or something? Bit of a mixture of both, to be honest with you. A lot of people sense loved ones around them. A lot of people don't know who's around them until I tell them. Then all of a sudden I'm telling them the names of their loved ones. Always find, with a lot of reasons, the grieving process is a big factor where people still grieve in the loss of that person. So this really helps the person. Once I've got that link, it totally changes that person. Because what does it do? It opens up a connection to the person that's passed away. It's proof that their loved one still links to them, still around them, and proved by the messages I'm giving, could only come from them, it's not coming from me. And that helps them. In what way does that help them, do you feel? Oh, uplifts them, gets their life moving forward. Positive. Everything's positive behind it. Always say with mediums, and also the work Liz does as well, the way she works is that we're counsellors in a lot of ways, as bereavement counselors, relationship counsellors, you name it. We're not just psychic mediums or tarot readers. We serve a lot more than just being readers. So in that world, Liz, have you had any extraordinary readings when you've channeled into somebody else's, you know, sort of a relationship, a family member that you didn't expect? Yeah, I don't. I don't work quite the way the same way as Kev does. And I've got so much respect because a medium will bring in sort of relatives or friends that have passed, whereas a tarot reader tends not to. If you're just a sort of a pure tarot reader, and I think people that are going through the grieving process will automatically go to a medium. If it's looking forward and wanting to know the sort of information about what's going to happen to them, then I think they would possibly tend to go to a tarot reader a lot more. And you know, and certainly, you know, the work that Kev does with, obviously people that are in terrible, terrible state of grief is just brilliant. It's just fantastic. But I will tell you an amusing story. I was at an event and somebody just plunked themselves down and said, give me a reader. And I'm really, really, really cynical about what you do. So you sort of. You feel you sort of starting from the back foot slightly. So I said, okay. So obviously were various parts to it and one of it, part I said, oh, you're going to be coming into some money. Which point she did a huge right like that and sort of that was enough for her. Off she went. Two months later, I was at the same reading. She sat down, she said, I need to talk to you. I had a reading with you. So I said, well, if you weren't happy. And she no, no, no, told me I was coming into money and I thought you were talking rubbish out of the blue. She said, you know that program Air Hunters? So I said, yes. She said, well, not necessarily them, but the same sort of company got in touch with me. I've got some long lost cousin that I didn't know existed. Suddenly I came into money from them and she was so shocked. Oh, wow. And I think when you say things people expect, oh, it's going to come from the lottery or premium bonds or something like that, they don't, I think tarot and certainly I think the book cabinet, it helps people to open up their line of vision. It gives them a much broader perspective of the things that can impact their lives. And that's what I find absolutely fascinating. Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it? I mean, we're all, all skeptics at some point, but it's all always nice for a medium or what. I lives with terror just to get the eye open of that person. That's, that's our main role as well. Kev, you told, you told us of a story of somebody who. Did they bring you a tankard? Yeah, yeah. Going back to the First World War. Yeah, that was my first commentary. Reading back to 1914. Still an heirloom in the family now. And I'm holding this tankard. Didn't ask any questions, just tuned in with it. Literally went back to his great, great granddad in the First World War. I tuned in with it. I kept looking over my shoulder while I was doing this reading. For some reason I thought, I'm playing hide and seek. Gentleman said to me, yeah, my dad was a deserter, so he was hiding because he didn't want to go to war. Then what was it? Yeah, I picked up on the army. I picked up on a little. I kept seeing a little white house in front of a little white cottage. I said, keep seeing this cottage. Then I saw this tankard in the cottage. And he said, he gave me a little key as well, which my hand felt like it had to go behind something all the time. And I kept seeing the shape of an air race shelter, like an oval shape. We said, you've got, got the shape, right, but it's not an aero shelter. Well, basically it was a clock. This key, this key went behind the clock. And you wound the clock up at the back. Ah, key and the tank were both together. But. But I said, this white house, I see, like, a little lake at the front. And he said, turn the key over. So turn the key over and remember what I said? I said, I saw a white cottage. Turned over the key, on the back of the key, he said, white cottage. Wow. Brilliant. I told the whole story about how his grand great grandfather had it and all the way through the family tree to how he got it, and he still got it today. So, I mean, first reading, the guy got hold of me, just broke down, you've made my day. You've made my life. He said, because you've literally brought the whole story of that clock back together again and the tankard. And do you ever go. Can you go further? Can you go deeper into the lives of somebody when you hold something? I mean, you know, can you have a conversation with them about why they didn't want to go to war or what happened? How did they cope with it? What was their. Do you. Can you actually engage in that way, Kev? Well, as in. As in the person in spirit. Yes. No, I don't see, but I must do somehow. I'm not clairvoyant. I don't see. I don't hear. I just have all these messages. I still don't know how I get it, to be honest with you. It's called trust. I've got to just trust with what I'm being shown. And it means nothing to me, but it means everything to that person. So just give it. Just give everything that you've been shown. Yeah. So do people, then are we assuming through this conversation that people, when they have wishes or prayers, that that is all being heard? Is this true? 100%. 100%. Just talk. Just talk to loved ones. They're around you. And how do you recognize that? By showing them the. The messages in the reading. Yeah, but. No, but how does. How would I. At home? Or how do your clients recognize that when they're away from you? How does the ordinary person recognize that they've got people around them? Okay. It's just getting that proof to that person, then that that loved one links to in that reading. Okay, next step. Start talking to your loved ones in spirit. If I was clairvoyant, I would see all these spirits. Every single person. I've got that to come. That's coming. But just talking. It's amazing how many people, after the readings, actually do talk to their loved ones and contact me and Say, Kev, I could smell my dad's cigarettes around me or I can smell his aftershave or something. He's around me. You just keep talking and talking and talking because remember, I'm just that link to get the doorway open between loved one in spirit and the family. And do we assume then that our family are there to help us? Is that what happens when they go in the spirit world? They come back to help us? Yeah, of course. They're around us. Yes. Even if you had a bad relationship with them in the real world. Wow. Yeah. This world and that world is different. Just forgive and forget, move on. Right, okay, that's good. Forgive and forget because there's no grudges held, but they're there to serve a purpose. We've all got guides and loved ones around us just need to open up and talk. So does it matter whether you pray or does it matter whether you speak? Does religion get in the way or is religion and belief in a religion, you know, sort of. And the power of prayer helpful? Yeah, the power of prayer. Okay. I don't go into the religious side of it at all. I just, I just know that the spirit, spirit, loved ones and spirit are there to work with these people. I always try to get people to meditate as well because that's, that's the way to get your links to your loved ones. I mean, it's always nice to switch off for 20 minutes and it's amazing how many people can't switch off for 20 minutes just to have, have a meditation session. So I do, I do help people with the meditation side of it to get that stronger link with their loved ones in spirit as well. And do you do group meditation as well? Well, not so much now because of the lockdown. I do it on a one to one basis with each person. Everybody's different. Everybody's going to go on a different journey. You know, it's not all about seeing and hearing. It's all about just, just closing your eyes for 20 minutes. Just, just escape in this world for 20 minutes. It's not a bad thing, is it? And what about you, Liz? Do you help people understand their own feelings, their own intuition? Yes, I very much try to do that, but certainly I 100 agree with what Kev says with, you know, past relatives that have passed or spirit guides. Ask them, you know, they're there. But unless you ask, you're never making that sort of, that communication. It's like almost like picking the phone up. If you don't pick the phone up and Dial. You're never going to communicate with anyone. And I think people like the reassurance knowing that there's someone around. And I feel that's very important to them. And sometimes they feel that they've, you know, people see. Have a white feather fall or maybe they see a little object move or a little shadow out of the corner of their eye. Yeah. Yes. Them thinking, oh, oh, no, I didn't really see that. But it's getting them to trust those. Those tiny little subtle signals because many people, I think, because we're in such an incredibly visual world, you know, you've got a remote for the tv, you can have umpteen channels. You can do what we're doing with technology. It's all there that they have that expectation that unless somebody jumps out in front of them, goes, I'm here. They don't believe they're there. It's getting that vibration slightly different. I don't know, Kevin, you experience that they almost. Unless it's so visual in. In their face that they don't recognize or just. Or don't want to believe the subtlety of it all. Yeah. I always just trust with what you're being shown or, or being sensing, you know, even. Even little feathers dropping in front of you and little robins in your garden. All these little signs. Yeah. I must say that during the first lockdown, I sit at my desk and I have my back garden door open. And I always felt my mum died many, many, many years ago and she was a great believer. She was a devout Catholic. She went through the war and she was a prisoner of war. She had a terrible, very bad experiences, and she was an amazing woman. And whenever I see a robin, you mentioning the robin, I always think of my mum. And I was sitting there and the door was open and a little robin jumped into my kitchen, jumped onto my sink and sat there, took a photo of it. And I mentioned to my sister and she said, oh, yeah, that's mum, you know, and it's. I always find it so heartening. It's just such a wonderful feeling that we still engage on another level. But what other signs can you look out for? I mean, the white feathers and so on. Should we ever be afraid of anything? No, that's good to know. Don't be afraid. I mean, again, our guides are around. I'm a prime example. I mean, this journey I've been on for the last 18 months, this is my guides working with me. So I'm proof of. If you link with your guides, they will move you Forward in yourself. Right. You know, just purely on the work that I'm doing, I never would have thought in a million years I'll be a psychic medium. That's. It's fascinating. So, okay, so let's imagine we've got people listening here today. Or, you know, so when they start listening and they've got, you know, a relationship problem or a money problem, are you saying that they can get help if they ask for it, get some advice intuitively, either from yourselves or from within or from their spirits outside, and that they're going through this experience for a reason or that they can come through it? Everybody can come through it. Yeah. Again, if you don't talk, nothing's going to happen. Yeah. You know, again, you know, if you've got to forgive and forget of somebody, another one in spirit, just forgive and forget because they will hold you back if you don't accept the forgiveness. Yeah. You know, is that the same for present day if somebody's in a relationship? Liz, you sort of said that people are in abusive relationships and so on, but do you think that people. Can they find an answer without turning to somebody? Is it that easy? Oh, well, it's an interesting question because some people that will maybe look for the answer themselves and use tarot cards, they'll lay the cards out. Then they don't like it, so they lay the cards out again, Searching for the answer, which is the answer that they want to hear. Do you see what I'm saying with the difference? So occasionally you do need somebody external, but the only sort of thing. Just going back to the previous question you asked Kev about is there anything to be frightened of? I don't think there is with spirit guides. But with a lot of this, you do need to be wary. I mean, and there are. There are mantic arts such as spirit boards or who you invite in that you do need protection around yourself, you know, and certainly tarot cards, it's about respecting them. Always have that respect. I think that that's totally every reading I do always put a blank. My blanket protection around me. Ask my doorkeeper to come through, protect me. But also I also put that around the person that I'm reading for as well. Again, there's not a lot of tarot readers or mediums out there. Lizards, you know, they don't do this. Heads could cause more problems. You know, it's got to be done. Very important to me that protection. It's got to be done also. Yeah. When I trained as a healer, we trained to open up and Close down and have protection. And what about your own ethics? Are you taught ethical codes or do you have to work that out for yourself? And as you're saying, Kevin, people just don't have that. Is that because they are naturally gifted and they just don't think about that? Do you have an ethical code that you observe? Yeah, as I said, you know, every reading I do, even if it's on by messenger, from a photograph reading, I've always got that protection around me every time I do the reading on the once or once, always make sure that the person's got the protection around them before I start the reading. I show them how I link with my guides before I start my reading as well. So they can actually be part. We're on a little journey together, so we've all. We've got to be together on that journey in that reading. And you, Liz, what do you, how do you view your ethical approach to readings? Yeah, well, I've, I've obviously studied as well as, you know, sort of developed over life. But, you know, people, people's death is private. You know, sometimes when people pull the death card in tarot, they go, oh, does that mean death? It doesn't. And you, you can't pry into other people's lives. It's how that person is impacting whoever has come for the reading. But if they say, oh, is so and so having an affair or is something happening, you're prying into somebody else else's life. And that's, you know, I, I don't breach that ethical code. But not everybody abides by those. You know, I always say, I'm reading for you, I'm not reading for that person that's having the relationship problem. Yeah. And yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right ahead with that. We can't. But again, there's a lot of mediums that go, go out their way just to come out with things they shouldn't be coming up with. This offer is wrong. Yeah. How a lot of mediums do work. Again, as you said earlier, it's just about the money for some people. They're not bothered to give a bad reading. That person's come to you for guidance and help. You know, they should be walking away from that reading thinking, well, hang on a moment. This has caused me more problems. Yeah, yeah. So hence why I always do the aftercare service. I always say to people at the end of the reading, do you fully understand everything? Is there anything you want to ask? As usual, you've given me absolutely everything. I Need. Okay. And then we just shut the door. Hence what we said about, you know, the protection, also the closing down at the end of this as well. Very important. And what about helping people with business, you know, and business mentors? Can you differentiate between themselves in their general life and do a specific business reading? Can you do that, Liz? Oh, yes. If you people just come and have an ask for, they sit there and they go, just read you. You're talking generally, but the cards and the spreads that you do, they can. You could do a love spread, you can do for finance, for careers, for everything really. And it gives them a lot more focus into that area. But occasionally people, they think, I'm going to say they think they're being clever by not saying anything, but they're not getting the best out of the reading if there's no interaction. Right. And can you do that type of thing, Kev? Do you see that type of thing for people as well, more specifically? Yeah, I mean, I try to pick up as much as I can about that person for minimum 45 minutes. Sometimes I'm still. Sometimes I'm still there an hour later. It's not. I don't just focus on one thing because 45 minutes, it's a lot to get the messages. So basically I pick up as much as I can in that 45 minutes. Not. I don't just focus on one thing. I seem to pick up everything that's going on around that person. Do you just something interesting and you know, because the world of the psychic ability is so vast. Do you. And have you ever read for police? The police with a. Something that they're missing somebody? Because I know the police turn to psychics. Do you, Kev? Well, okay, it's funny you should say that. I actually contacted Scotland Yard last year. Missing Charles case has been going on for years and years and years. I just kept. I was given this name, kept giving his name and I thought, well, I know that name, but it didn't register. So I asked my friend and my friend told me that person. So I went to the police station in Portsmouth and said, look, can I speak to somebody regarding this case, please? And they gave me Scotland Yard's number. So I've sent everything across the Scotland Yard regarding this case, but I'm still waiting to hear back from them. But I know I've got this sorted again. I was only sat in Costa Coffee and I kept having this person's name given to me. Welcome to my world. Yeah. Yes. Can't even switch off. I was going to Say. Yeah. So latte and psychics. So, Liz, does the same thing happen to you? Well, strangely enough, what's happened to me is the opposite, where people have come to me because they believe a friend or a relative has wrongly been put in prison. And it's almost looking for different ways of identifying of evidence that's been missed. Okay. And I've worked with tarot and with pendulum for doing that. I use a pendulum quite a lot. So it's interesting that it's two different sides of the fence and some of them have been witnesses that did not come forward at the time. So it's been saying that, you know, there is somebody else and you need. I don't get a name, but you need to look in this area because there was somebody or this is the type of person that will assist your case. And I've had that a few times. So are they often right? Are the people coming to you because they're normally right or is it just wishful thinking? I think become wishful thinking. But for some reason they. Then it's given their campaign more purpose. People have been in touch with me afterwards and saying because of that then they've been able to have an appeal which it's just very, very fascinating. Yeah. That it just opens up to another area they've never really thought of. Yeah. Is there any area you wouldn't do a reading for? Is there anybody that you would. You've ever said, no, I can't do anything here. For me, it's got to people that are immorally using other people for gain, you know, anything that within that realm, it would be a definite no. Yeah. And can you tell that when you meet them? You normally know by the types of questions and, and the way that they're asking them that something is not right. And so then strange enough, I would ask questions because all my senses would be very, very much on alert. Does that make sense? There's something not right here. So if they're using it to control or certainly for moral purposes, then no. And have you. Do you get the same sense with people, Kev, Or is it a totally different thing that you do? Do you ever. Yeah, I mean, my world seems to be where people contact me. For lost people, I lost family members or relatives. If I don't get anything from the reader and I'll just tell them I'm not getting nothing. I feel as though when I don't get nothing, I'm not supposed to give that message or any kind of message. And have you ever got a message, but thought I can't give this. No, hasn't happened. Hasn't happened yet. Hasn't happened yet. But do you think there could be a time when you go actually, yeah. I mean, if it don't. If it don't feel as though I can give any messages. When I do my readings, Maria, I get pen and paper and just write everything down. It's called automatic writing. So all the messages are given to me from spirit. If my pen doesn't move, then I know I'm not supposed to get anything, so I'm not getting nothing. I'm sorry, I can't help you. I think it's happened, possibly happened once, but all the other times I think I've helped find three people that were missing just from a photograph person to where they were, all three of them. But I haven't had the problem yet where I haven't been able to give nothing. That's amazing. Can I just say that we could go on and on? We've got now just a short time before. So while I say thank you to both you, Liz, Sandy and Kev Hooper, this could go on and on. It's such a fascinating conversation. We opened up to so many fields and there's so many more to open up over the moon that you've been able to help people, especially at this time. And let's not undervalue the work you do. And I'd just like to say from me, Dr. Maria Kampinska, and you'd Mind Matters and the men's and women's radio stations. Thank you for listening and I hope you'll listen again. Are you feeling anxious? Online therapy 247 is here to help. We offer confidential support from the comfort of your own sofa. 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